321: 2017 Legal Tips & This Year’s Board Retreat – Tony Martignetti Nonprofit Radio

tony_martignetti_300x300-itunes_image2Tony’s guests this week:

Erin Bradrick, senior counsel at the Nonprofit & Exempt Organizations law group (NEO).

Also, Greg Cohen, senior associate at Cause Effective.

There’s more at tonymartignetti.com

108: Get Out And Positively Communicate & SECrets – Tony Martignetti Nonprofit Radio

Tony’s guests this week:

Sharyn Abbott, author of “Mixing It Up! The Entrepreneur’s New Testament”

Maria Semple, The Prospect Finder, consultant in prospect research and author of “Panning for Gold: Find Your Best Donor Prospects Now!”

Read and watch more on Tony’s blog: http://tonymartignetti.com

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Durney hello and welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio for friday, september seventh. I’m very glad you’re with me. We’re talking about big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent, and i’m your aptly named host. Oh, how i wish i hope that you were with me last week, i couldn’t stand knowing that you had missed i had a great interview, but i didn’t get the job, suzanne felder, a consultant in outplacement at lee, hacked harrison said, there’s more to getting a job than having a good resume an interview we talked about research, confident networking panel interviewing, dodging salary questions and what to do in those last thirty minutes before your interview. Also storytelling, rochelle shoretz, founder and executive director of shark share it shared a compelling story herself. As a two time breast cancer survivor, shark share, it has built a culture of compassionate storytelling to help its members through their cancer diagnoses and treatments. Rochelle had ideas on interviewing, sorry, identifying storytellers, supporting them, giving them multiple ways to share helping them through this very personal process and why all that is worth your time this week. Get out and communicate positively. Sharon abbott is the author of mixing it up, the entrepreneurs, new testament and her strategies applied a small and midsize non-profits as well. At the nextgencharity conference in two thousand eleven, we talked about networking your non-profit recruiting and hiring motivated people and positive communications. Sharon reads my face to tell me what kind of communicator i am and secrets maria simple is the author of panning for gold. To find your best donorsearch prospects now exclamation mark and our prospect research contributor this month, she pans for research gold in sec corporate filings. That’s securities exchange commission on tony’s, take two between the guests. You can still get a free copy of my book if you take my charity registration survey, but not after this week use hashtag non-profit radio to join the conversation with us on twitter. We take a break when we return it’s, get out and communicate positively with sharon abbott and i hope you stay with me. E-giving didn’t think dick tooting good ending. You’re listening to the talking alternate network, getting anything. Get in. Cubine joined the metaphysical center of new jersey and the association for hyre. Awareness for two exciting events this fall live just minutes from new york city in pompton plains, new jersey, dr judith orloff will address her bestseller, emotional freedom, and greg brady will discuss his latest book, deep truth living on the edge. Are you ready for twelve twenty one twelve, save the dates. Judith orloff, october eighteenth and greg brady in november ninth and tenth. For early bird tickets, visit metaphysical center of newjersey dot, or or a h a n j dot net. Hi, i’m donna, and i’m done were certified mediators, and i am a family and couples licensed therapists and author of please don’t buy me ice cream. Our show, new beginnings is about helping you and your family recover financially and emotionally and start the beginning of your life. Will answer your questions on divorce, family, court, co, parenting, personal development, new relationships, blending families and more. Dahna and i will bring you to a place of empowerment and belief that even though marriages may end, families are forever. Join us every monday, starting september tenth at ten a m on talking alternative dot com. Dafs you’re listening to the talking alternative network. Schnoll hi there and welcome back, here’s my interview with sharon abbott. Get out and communicate positively welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio coverage of the next-gen charity conference two thousand eleven. We are at the tribeca performing arts center in downtown manhattan. With me now is sharon abila. Sharon is the author of mixing it up, the entrepreneurs new testament talk about some of her entrepreneurial success ideas and how those probably very well translate to your work in non-profits oh, and maybe some of her positive communication techniques also. Sharon abbott, welcome to the show. Thank you, tony it’s. A pleasure. Pleasure to have you, huh? Let’s, talk a little about some of your entrepreneurial success ideas with the with our audience of small and midsize charity leaders in mind. What what’s? The first thing you’d like to share. Well, what i truly believe is the better connected and non-profit is better that they will do. I taught entrepreneur skills for over twenty years to small businesses. And i would bring in and non-profit to every group that i had. And at one time, i had twenty two different groups with twenty two twenty report people in every group. I teach people how to be philanthropic to teach him to get back to their community, and what i found is the skills of the entre piers needed were the same as the non-profits needed, so i talked on how to get out in the community, how to get volunteers to work with them, how to engage other people so that they didn’t have to do all the work and how they brought in aborted director who was more proactive rather than a board of directors by name. So that made a huge difference to the non-profits ahs well, as one of the thing that’s really hard, especially when everyone perceives the economic times being as bad as they are is that people are tired of all these organisations putting out their hand just expecting a check, and so they need to get something back. And so i created all these different programs there fund-raising activities that are fun that people want to participate in that make it much easier for a non-profit to get their budget back-up where it needs to be to be self sustaining and they don’t have to work this hard so they couldn’t have ah. Lot of them do got tournaments, or they might do silent auctions, or they might do a single stance. I did a big band dance for easter seals one year i did, it was a costume party. We kind of did it like a old victorian kind of party where everybody came in as a character in the victorian era. Very themed events, right? And that way, people, they really feel like they’re participating more in the non-profit rather than just here’s a check, you know, i’m done well, let’s, go into some detail about let’s start with you mentioned getting into the community. What ideas do you have specifically that non-profits khun khun execute? Well, i know in california that almost every non-profit thinks that they just need to join a chamber and then once they join the chamber, they’re done. But the activity that they have in the chamber is actually the important part, not just joining the chamber. What would you like to see them doing? They need to be on various committees like if they were to volunteer for ambassadors. The ambassadors have to go out to every business, right? Shake hands, what you’re doing and people used to ask me, oh, you work for the chamber is no, i’m just out here helping the chamber get better known what they need to have happen in the community, and then that brought mean, more business, so i thought, well, if it works for me, it’ll work for anybody, and it does. So if non-profit goes out and they just find out from all of the different businesses what business needs and then takes it back to the chamber, their face, they’re non-profit so that’s a great way of becoming very active when they’re all trainers have fund-raising bones where non-profits can actually be feature so they could be part of the but how about beyond joining the chamber and being active in that way as an ambassador? What other advice about getting out into the community? You know, all of the leads groups that are out there, i used to run my lines with let’s, say, it’s, a business development kind of organization where people get together on a weekly basis, which most of them do, and they have coffee and everybody talks about their business, and they said this what i’m looking for this is what i have to offer so there are business leads group, and you can find them listed in the business section of every paper there’s, a website called am city dot com that list all of the business events that that are all around the country. Ok, everyone wear you just search for new york and you’ll find the in sample is going to see francisco baizman i think it’s probably the times here, but in san is a journey. So you know, it’s one of those so am city dot com and you can see every event that’s going on every week, so if you go out to a very so let’s say, you meet twenty people this week, one out of twenty will either be somebody that will be on the board, active in the community, help promote non-profit helped organize a fundraiser. Somebody in that twenty people is going to be involved with that non-profit interesting. You really want to see non-profits getting out into the business community first. First things we’ve talked about so far been making those business connections, not staying within your within the non-profit committee exactly because he wants the money, why stay? In a community where everybody knows when you go out into a community where no one knows who you are and they’re the ones who have the money, right, let’s share one more idea getting that non-profit out there most non-profits don’t realize that they can do a speaking circuit rotary lions. Quanah is all of those kinds of social organisations, and those organizations do kind of quirky things like if you talk out of turn your find a dollar, you promote your business and return to find five dollars. Well, that money is allocated to helping non-profit so if every non-profit were to go out to one of those once a week and literally their morning, noon and night, you goto seventy a week and not run out of him in a year, and so you go out to these organizations. You said, this is my cause this is what i’m doing. I need your this is why here’s, the result of what happens when we get out, they literally right chats on this spot, and i know there are a lot of these groups just in the new york area you mentioned a bunch of different professional association. But rotary isn’t there’s a rotary in every county, probably in one box there’s six you go well i know that at least one in every county. So this’s a big area right? There are a lot of opportunity plus you mentioned all the other membership organisations lion lion’s, alanis, optimus professional business women e women network really? When you look in the paper you think when i had a travel agency in nineteen ninety one justus the gulf war was starting i went out morning, noon and night six days a week and i built a travel agency from thirty thousand a month two, three hundred and seventy five thousand a month in three and a half years by doing justice so it was all handshaking and getting to know people and making sure that people knew who i was even though no one was traveling with so i hit it at the worst time but managed to build my business in a way that nobody else had ever thought they didn’t spend a dime on advertise you just had transit costs to all the meetings i’m joking you know, i think the point is very low cost plus it should be fun for executive director seo’s mean, they should be enjoying being out in the community in the business community, talking about their work. That’s. The biggest issue is people have fun when they’re doing something that they’re connecting with people. And when these organizations see how much fun that you’re having, they want to be more part of it. So when when people are making, oh, would you write me a check, or we, you know, we’re short on the budget? Could you help us out? It’s really kind of gloomy, and people don’t like being part of that, so you make it funding it, changing, talking alternative radio twenty four hours a day. Are you stuck in your business or career trying to take your business to the next level, and it keeps hitting a wall? This is sam liebowitz, the conscious consultant. I will help you get to the root cause of your abundance issues and help move you forward in your life. Call me now and let’s. Create the future you dream of. Two, one, two, seven, two, one, eight, one, eight, three, that’s to one to seven to one, eight one eight three. The conscious consultant helping conscious people. Be better business people. Dahna are you fed up with talking points, rhetoric everywhere you turn left or right? 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I’m christine cronin, president of n y charities dot orc. You’re listening to tony martignetti non-profit radio big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent. I’m gonna guess you have advice about hiring, so bringing people to your organization and that starts the top, but he actually even applies to the board hiring, hiring the top. But what advice do you have about bringing people in and making sure you get people who are going to be passionate latto love the mission and the innovative thinkers way hyre these kinds of people, you know, i think one of the hardest things for non-profit is inviting people into their board of directors who actually have the connections, and that will make a difference for the organization. So there’s, a lot of people who are semi retired retired and they volunteer for non-profits but technically they don’t have the contacts and they don’t have the ability to go out in the community and start helping promote other people. So if a non-profit were to look at what your database like, do you have social media contacts? Falik what experience have you had with non-profits before? What were the results treated? Just like a job interview? So don’t take anyone on your board unless they really are bringing something to the table. That’s a huge issue there’s a lot of non-profits who just think, oh, so grateful you’ve even ask to be born or sometimes it’s way desperately need a lawyer or an accountant, so we’ll just take the first one that we that we get introduced to and we end up with just somebody who’s just brings that skill, but nothing mohr related to your to your important charitable work, and they might think that they save, you know, ten thousand a year on legal cost, but they lose one hundred thousand year by not having the right person connected with the non-profits so that’s really important that they look at, you know, what is the cost? Buy-in yes, of what a person is bringing to their nonprofit organization, right? So that’s, excellent for board recruitment. How about about hiring employees within the organization? Would you like to see ceos and executive director? I have been speaking where people are unemployed for over twenty years, and i am surprised because i have a little blank card and i have them right on their what would i like to do most of anything now that i don’t have a job? And i would say twenty percent say that. They want to work with non-profit any fashion, some even say that worked for free just so that they can beat heart of that community and giving back. When a non-profit is looking for an executive director, that person better be a network. They better be the horn shaker. They need to be up to date on technology, open minded touring, different fund-raising concept instead of the same old, same old thing. Because what work five years ago does not even come close to working today? And so they have to always on top of what the technology is. We heard this morning how text messaging is so important because the thirty year olds are now not opening email and even, you know, ten percent or everybody in the world only opens with that was that aria finger still about texting to e? J just had her as a guest before you came on, and i was talking about actually fifteen and sixteen year olds motivating them, and she said, you know, get them where they are text, right? Saving forty, two hundred messages a month for sixteen year old girls or something. Yeah, right, exactly. So you know that’s. What keeping up with technology will do for someone is always looking at what else can they do? Most non-profits don’t have a log that’s a big mistake, because that who in the non-profit you like to see doing that block duitz in the name of the executive director will be in the name of the executive director because that builds the relationship with the person who has the most visibility in the community and the most visibility and on able to make decisions for the non-profit because a lot of times you could have someone else write it in the office, but it should be in the name of the director let’s talk a little more about hiring now we’ve talked about the board, what on what the board should be looking for in the executive director. What should the executive director be doing to make sure that he or she is hiring the right people that are going to be supporting? Well, i think the skill set is going to depend on how much the non-profit is doing in the community. So if if it’s just administrative work that’s one thing that’s easy too, but the biggest give back in a non-profit is the person who has that innovative ability to figure out how they can use technology, how they khun reach out into the community, draw more people in there’s, there’s so many different things, like most people don’t realize that you can actually go to a restaurant and say, i haven’t event coming up in thirty days, and almost every restaurant will say, because you’re non-profit will donate a lung, right? And then what i would do is i would package twelve lunches and have it lunch for a year and auction it off, you know, and just simple little things like that if you have people who are willing to go out, do things like that hey, back, that employee ends up paying for their own sour, and when we’re in the hiring process, how do we make sure we’re getting somebody like that in our the questions i think would be, how do you feel about being out in the business community? Are you comfortable picking up the phone and talking to people you don’t know? You know, what would you do in a situation where we need to create a new event? What? Would you do? What would you suggest? How would we go about creating and see how people are created? There’s also facial recognition technique, and i teach a course it’s called about face, and it actually helps means clever figure out what your face tells me about how to communicate with you, but also how well you communicate with other people to someone who has a larger bottom lip is a good listener, right? It’s great if you need to listen, but if they’re the person who has to be out in the community speaking, you want them to have a larger offgrid all right, we’re going to talk more about this very, very short that just want to remind listeners that i’m with sharon abbott at the next-gen charity conference two thousand eleven in new york city. Her latest book is mixed. Is this the latest mixing it up? This’s just been revised by have eight books. Okay, we’re giving credit to this one because it’s related to our topic it’s mixing it up, the entrepreneurs new testament and you’ll find sharon abbott at sharon abbott dot com but you need to know that she spells her name s h a, r y and and two b’s and two teas and labbate and then dot com. So i should just sell the whole thing out instead of pieces. Sharon and then a. And then at the end, there’s two teas, and then after the others to be. How do we know you have busted a sharon abbott dot com? Someone who’s. A good listener has a larger lower lip. How does that why is that true? Well, back in aristotle’s time, in the fourteenth century, he began this whole study. It’s called physiognomy and judge jones in nineteen thirty five. Jones in chicago started looking at people who were presented to him in his courtroom. And he kept the law and he would have guilty. Not guilty, not guilty. And according to the jury’s findings, he was ninety percent accurate based on looking at someone’s face. So i took that information. I thought, wait a minute. What if we could use this for communication styling? So if i look at you, i know that you like it when people get to the point. You want people that you’re looking at me now, they should just e i like it when people get to the point based on what makes you draw that concern your nose. But how does a physical feature convey personality? There’s a science to it? This is actually the society of reading your face, so i know that i’m going to get to the point i’m not going to talk to take the long way around, so i’m going to actually say that she’s, right? But i think i’m a patient listener also, i don’t want your lip is larger on the bottom, then the top, so you’re a really good listener almost twice is good at listening as you are speaking and you know you’re good at speed, so the difference is all ego now blushing to what it was blushing cheeks metoo means you could still feel it must be some downsides. Where show me something, tell me about something that i’m shortcoming. Well, let’s say i needed to explain a project to you. The squareness of the bottom of your chin tells me i have to get to the point, which means i can’t tell you all about the details, but also my nose conveyed that to you to ration, but there’s there’s this point where you’re going, i don’t want to know how you’re you build it. I just want to know when it’s going to be built and so people who have a need to explain every detail will get very frustrated because you’re looking at and go, you know i’ve got things to do. You just tell me what i need to do, and we’re done. This is embarrassing now, because she’s sizing happens there’s a pretty accurate this is not like fortune telling this’s she’s going anything. Is there anything else? Oh, absolutely. All right, one more go ahead. I’m getting paid now don’t think this is actually quite insightful. This portion right above your eyebrows is now for radio listeners she’s putting her finger in between my eyebrows right in between her. I’m i mean, we’re not there’s no contact. She says they happen. There is no physical contact at all. It’s. Unbelievable. So this tells me that you like information in order. So you want to give me this first, then this then that in order. But i pluck my eyebrows. So if i had one morale straight across with that unibrow, not in style. No, this is the logic. This is, like minus flat, right she’s again, she’s. Talking about the space between her eyebrows and the forehead. Right? So i have a logical personality. You have a logical personality. So you really want things in order? First, there’s. A lot of people who you’ll see it’s just totally slanted back. Those people who they understand process, and then they immediately know how it applies to the long term physiognomy is the physiognomy, okay, that’s, the practice and google physiognomy and sharon abbott as well. We’re going to go off this now, but that was that was that was pretty much on point. Yeah, i didn’t disagree with anything. You just told me about myself. I learned something. Okay, let’s, talk a little about your, um, your positive communication technique since we’re talking about the way people like to communicate and your judging this by there by there face what are some of the positive communication techniques that people should be using? Well, i think it’s really difficult for a lot of people to stay civ in what i believe is a perceived economy. Now, i cannot argue with the numbers, you know, we do have the highest unemployment rate of this time. There are fewer people donating to non-profits, you know, you kind of get point. So how do we actually project a positive attitude when we know that this is on everyone’s mind? So my attitude is no one came along, scraped up all the money and locked it up, and they’re not magically waiting to the day that everybody says, ok, we could take the money out now so where is the money? It’s just moved, so when we’re communicating with people and we start thinking about all right, so what do i have to do to be that person that somebody wants to give, what they have allocated their ten percent toe a non-profit communicating in a positive manner instead of we need money, we need thio raise his phones. It would be when people are involved with our non-profit these this is what we’re giving back to, and the long term benefit for you is so it’s turning something around, you’re saying the same thing, but in a positive manner and making the person that you’re talking with more comfortable with the idea of being involved. So the simple technique, but it’s phrasing, how you actually phrase what you’re talking about and allowing the other person. So this is where this comes into play. If you’re talking to somebody who has a larger upper lip, you make sure that they have more than enough time to talk. Oppcoll let’s, let’s give an example of phrasing something positively that that in a positive way, we do that, that someone wouldn’t be well, take a negative and make it sort of a positive people could understand making this positive communication give me a negative. It’s i’m cold rooms cold. I’m too cold in this room instead of saying i’m too cold them and that’s an easy fix starting now, let’s, let’s put on a sweater. You don’t put on the jacket, you know let’s, move a little bit. Start getting your blood moving a little bit so that you can actually be warmer dahna but let’s say challenging one would be i called all these people and no one’s calling me back. Dahna right? And that happens a lot. You know, when when i’m actually very business oriented, which i think makes a big difference. A lot of people get into non-profit and they think it is not for-profit and non-profit have to be profit minded, so they have to know that they’re making more money than what it costs him to run the organization. So i do things like i make twenty dials. I know that ten people answer the phone. I know that if i leave five voicemail messages on ly one person’s going to call me back, is it worth my while to return those calls and call somebody who doesn’t call me back? So do i look at the possibility? That that person is out of town busy, you know, family things going on and then call them again anyway. So my rule of thumb is you take a situation where somebody nobody’s calling me back, i don’t know what to do, and then they get into that funk. So how do you turn it around? So what i found is that for every organization there is a time a day, a day of the week that has the best return, so i call on monday morning at nine o’clock i’m not likely to get the right people that answer the phone because they’re setting up their week. They’ve got their sales meetings, whatever is going so i know that if i call thirty, people are kind of wrapping up their morning and they’re getting ready for lunch if i call it one thirty they’ve just gotten back for lunch. They might be late back from lunch so there’s these windows of time ten to eleven one, two, three and i know that monday’s not the best day in friday’s, not the best day. So if i make my calls tuesday, wednesday and thursday then i’m gonna have a much better ratio if i can improve my ratios even ten percent, then i improve my bottom once. So why not treat a business like a non-profit as a true business and actually track what we’re doing having results so that we know that if this isn’t working, we have to sure and start doing something else. Most people keep doing the same thing over and over again, and it drives them crazy, right? The definition of insanity, but they don’t never realise all need to do a shift. What it is that they’re doing so that they end up having better results. We have to stop there. Sharon abbott, one of her eight books is mixing it up. The entrepreneurs new testament one thank you very much for being a guest. You’re welcome. Thank you, tony. Thank you. Even with my big lower lip. Tony martignetti non-profit radio coverage of the nextgencharity conference two thousand eleven. Thank you very much for joining us. My thanks to sharon abbott. If you wantto google her, her name is spelled s h a r y n a b b o t t now a break. When we returned to tony’s take two and then maria. Simple secrets. Stay with us. Talking alternative radio twenty four hours a day. Joined the metaphysical center of new jersey and the association for hyre awareness for two exciting events this fall live just minutes from new york city. In pompton plains, new jersey, dr judith orloff will address her bestseller, emotional freedom, and greg brady will discuss his later facebook deep truth. Living on the edge. Are you ready for twelve twenty one twelve, save the dates. Judith orloff, october eighteenth and greg brady in november ninth and tenth. For early bird tickets, visit metaphysical center of newjersey dot order or a nj dot net. Are you suffering from aches and pains? Has traditional medicine let you down? 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The book is called charity registration state by state guidelines for compliance, and i really am interested in getting too familiar with lots of people’s understanding about this morass of charity registration laws in each state. So if you take the three minute survey, you could get the free book. It’ll be a download, but only until saturday the fifteenth of september, and you’ll find the link to the survey on my blogged at tony martignetti dot com that is tony’s take two for friday, september seventh, the thirty eighth show of the year. Maria semple is with me now you know her she’s, the prospect finder she’s, a trainer and speaker on prospect research. Her website is the prospect finder. Dot com and her book is panning for gold find your best donorsearch now you can follow her on twitter at maria simple. Maria simple welcome hey tony, how are you today? I’m doing great, thank you. We’re talking about secrets. What is the this securities and exchange commission data? Well, there’s a lot of very interesting data that we can look at as non-profits to try and find some potential new donors for us as well as maybe some people who are current donors that we just didn’t realize are connected to public companies as corporate insiders. So let’s talk about corporate insiders because i want to make sure that everybody really understands what that is. We hear so much, i guess, in the news about insider trading and it’s always, you know, portrayed in a negative light, and that means that people who are corporate insiders have done something illegal with information they have as as insiders. But basically, if you’re an inside, earthy defines you as falling into one of three categories, you’re either one of the top officers of the company, usually there’s about five, six, seven people around that number listed. You are one of the board of directors of that public company, or you just happen to be a person or an entity that holds ten percent or more of the outstanding stock of that company. So if you fall into one of those three categories, you must report all of your trading activity in that company to the securities and exchange commission. And all of that data is public knowledge. Okay, so insiders have to file with the company’s about there their holdings within the companies that they’re insiders for that’s, right? And then also, public companies also file with the sec. They must right. Right? Right. So, i mean, you know, the information can be found if you happen to know that a particular process effect is connected to a public company as a corporate insider, maybe they sit on the corporate board of that particular company. You can actually go to that company’s website. And typically the tab that you would be looking for in a company’s website is called investor relations. Ok, for the companies themselves do have the data. All right, on course. We can also get it from the sec. But before we go further let’s, keep it. Let’s, keep each other out of jargon jail. Let’s. Make sure everybody understands what is a public company. So a public company is a company that is has issued stock and its trading on the market. I guess the most famous one that we saw go from a a private to a public company recently with facebook. Right? So, prior to that, all of the information was private. Uh, no. No information had to be released to the public about salary information att saturday. Other compensation data. But now that they’re a public company and the public now owns shares of that company owns part of the company, they have to be able to report all the all the goings on all the various pilings about, you know not only what the corporate insiders were doing, but obviously all the data related to other financial information for the company. Okay, it’s, the difference between privately held on dh public that’s. Right? Ok. So what kind of data can we find about? About what we’re interested in the people, the insiders. What kind of people? What kind of info can we find? Well, the interesting information you confined if somebody is a top officer at the company, you confined their their salary and other compensation data, and they actually have charts of that data going back over a three year period so you can actually see whether they’ve had what their big salary wass what commit other compensation that they might have maybe bonuses, etcetera? Um, really key? I think teo looking at this data is stock ownership because very often a non-profit especially if they are in, say, in a capital campaign or an endowment campaign mode where they’re really looking for major gift, i’m trying to get a gift of appreciated stock, a supposed to getting a gift of outright cash from a particular donor could be very beneficial, so, you know, just understanding whether or not you have people in your own fund-raising database, whether or not they may be one of these corporate insiders who khun gift you stock, that would be fabulous to know. And, you know, the screening companies can help identify that for you if you’re not able to self identify who those corporate insiders are in your database, okay? And there could be other there’s other stuff that’s disclosed as well, like all their their fringe benefits and things right, which can include insurance policies, that’s, right, all their employment agreement. You know, you’ve heard of people who have these golden parachutes, right? If they’re released from a company. So all of that is actually outlined in these particular employment agreements eyes that maria, i’m sorry is the agreements themselves or public? So, yeah, they they actually will say, you know, if this person is terminated, thiss personnel will be subject to earning x number of dollars, maybe even shares of stock upon their termination. But i’m just curious, can you actually see the language of their employment contract or that i don’t see is the language of the employment contract, but within the proxy statements which is filing statement that this information is contained within that’s where you would find really that the juicy, the meat of it all that if that is of importance to you, if you have somebody who is, perhaps, you know, a corporate insider and maybe, uh, you know, has just been let go or will be let go, you can actually find that information was just like looking i would if i could see people’s employment. Contracts, but now just some juicy details. Yeah, exactly details, no other juicy details that i like pulling out of this is also bios of the dads, the entire board of directors of, ah, of a public company, so it’ll give somebody’s age. So right? Yeah. I mean, you know, you do plan giving tony, so understanding whether or not somebody is maybe perhaps even a prime planned e-giving prospect based upon their age that’s disclosed in this statement you have a bio that would contain where they’re currently employed other corporate boards that they sit on so very often i’ll read about bio, yeah, within a corporate proxy, and then i’ll realize, oh, i didn’t realize this person also sat on another board of directors, so their insider over there, too, right? So then that makes me, you know, have to, you know, then i know just from that key piece of information here’s, another area i need to explore as i’m doing my prospect research that they may actually own, you know, significant shares in this other companies, right and it’s, just to remind people that in a way that you might find that someone is an insider. Because you might not know it is setting up the google alerts, the free google lorts that you and i have talked about a couple of times in the past, if you have those on your major donors, then information about them and the company that they’re an insider for we’ll come right to your rage. Your inbox? Yes, i think it should you know why? Because when they have let’s say i maria semple, where a corporate insider, maybe i sat on the board of directors of the company. I just used to use me as an example, but now you’ve learned yeah, point likelihood of that ever happening. So so even test really small it’s not even worth it. You’ll start using one of your other regular control, anybody but me. Yeah, you’re much better off if you have much good or likelihood of being inside. If i traded today in a public company and i were a corporate insider, i need to let the know within two business days. Oh, wow. Yeah. So, you know, from a product you know, as a prospect researcher it’s. Terrific. Because you know that if you’re looking at particular filings, you will be able to see whether that person has how much stock they have within a two day accuracy period. Okay, that’s. Incredible. So, yeah, well, all of that came about, you know, and because of the recent financial meltdown, et cetera, in the early two thousand’s, but there was definitely some new laws that went into a fake into effect under the sarbanes oxley act. And so they ended up saying, okay, you know what? You used to have a longer period, so let us now. Now we’re shortening it two days since you mentioned plan giving earlier something else you might find out about his people’s retirement plans with the cup with the company that’s, right? That’s, right. So might give you some some idea there as well, whether or not they’re gonna have maybe, you know, a significant amount of money that they were going to have to do something with. So, you know, why not know about that? And be prepared to have a conversation with them? So we have just about a minute and a half before our first break. What? So you mentioned the proxy statement. That’s. One thing that has to be filed. That’s filed by the companies or by the insiders, those air filed by the company’s once a year, once a year, they’re filed with the securities and exchange commission. They’re known as to other things actually notice of annual meeting of shareholders. You might see it turned that way, and then everyone of the filings that the sec has has a number and the number that corresponds to these this particular sec document is called death. D f like frank death fourteen a and that’s filed once a year by the company. Okay. And those air all the different names for the proxy statement? Yeah, yeah, i mean, they’re they’re known as all these different things. But if you are on the website, you’re actually looking for form death fourteen a for that particular company again. It’s on the company’s website, though, is well. Ok, now we have just about thirty seconds before before our break. There’s there’s annual and quarterly statements also, right? Yes, there are. There are definitely annual in quarterly statements and they’re they’re more related to significant happenings within the company related to really financial goings on of the company itself as opposed to individuals connected. To the company. So for the most part, that’s, the type of information that they’re going to file annually quarterly. Okay, we have to take a break when we return. Of course, maria semple stays with me, and we’ll talk about some of the places where you can find this data. Stay with us. Told you. Hi, this is nancy taito from speaks been radio speaks been radio is an exploration of the world of communication, how it happens in how to make it better, because the quality of your communication has a direct impact on the quality of your life. 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Well, if you’re looking for those quarterly and annual statements ten k and a k or those statements. But there are others that i think are even more interesting in terms of prospect research. In addition to that proxy, the death of fourteen a there’s, something called a form three and a form four. So form three is is the initial report that is filed by insiders as of the date that they become an insider or a beneficial owner of stock that will lift their holdings as of that day now, i would’ve thought that would be formed one but that’s not forme one yeah called form. Okay, i don’t want confuse people, all right? It should be for more that i find very interest. Sting is called form for, which would show any changes and holdings anytime that insider buys or sells their insider, stock and that’s the form that i was referring to that actually has to be filed within that two day period of that stock chance transactions. So let’s say there’s an example. Maybe a proxy filing may have been done and say, april this year for a particular public company. And here it is the beginning of september where researching this particular corporate insider if we only go on the data that was filed on the death of fourteen a document that proxy and it’s going to show this stockholdings as of april twenty twelve um, there’s a lot of time that has passed several months. Did this person trade any stock during this time? We would like to know what their their holdings they’re still the same or not. So you would be looking particularly performed for to see if that person actually made a trade in stop between april and september, and then on the form itself it’s going to show you whether they border, sold more stock, and then how many shares that they hold at the conclusion of that sale? So let’s say the conclusion of that particular transaction. I still own ten thousand shares. Of that particular stock, i can go on a web site that shows, you know, market activity. Boone is showing, you know, what’s going on in the stock market and get a general idea of how much that stock is worth in that portfolio. All right. You mentioned the corporate website under investor relations and investor information as one place to find this data where else the government has its sec has its own site. Yes, the sea, which is dot gov does have a database called edgar free edgar’s. So that is definitely something that you can use. Teo, look for the information and using the website or even going to the corporate website is free to d’oh. Okay, edgar, i had always heard of edgar, but i didn’t know that it stands for electronic data gathering analysis and retrieval. Yeah, that isn’t that smart of the is in that little clever of the sec. So they should have make a retrievable info analysis. And there would be maria. There you go. You should have maria get rid of edgar and replace it with maria way. Just have, like we just have about two minutes left. What are other? Sites where you can find this, even though we’ve already identified some free ones. Right? So a fee based site, actually, one that i myself subscribe to because i do so much of this type of research is called ten k wizard dot com and that’s actually part of the morning star document research of companies. So it used to be a stand alone, and now they’re part of morningstar. So ten k wizard, i find to be really useful. Their lowest subscription is roughly four hundred dollars a year, and it enables you to i just like the output of the data. I like the fact that i can put in an insider’s name, and it will show me every place somebody is connected to a corporate insider to lead me directly to the filings. And i can see a pdf copy of the filings. So it’s it’s just a quicker way. So i would suggest for anybody who’s really going to be doing a lot of this. You might want to consider a subscription service. Okay. Oh, really? They just worked. Works better than the edgar site or going to the companies. You know it. I think it. Just points to a lot of information very quickly, so as opposed to trying to sort through the information on the corporate side, etcetera, teo, sort through, say all the form four filings that exist on a corporate site to just see well, because it’ll just say form for, you know, and say the filing he’ll need to try and figure out what is this filing related to the person that i’m researching right now? Yeah. So, it’s, just the way you go about the research, i think it just becomes a little bit more efficient on some of the paid resource. Is maria simple is the prospect finder. You can follow her on twitter at maria simple. Her sight is the prospect finder dot com. Always a pleasure. Thank you very much, maria. Thanks so much. 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