Tony’s guest this week:
Jonah Halper, author of the book “Date Your Donors” and founder and partner at Altruicity consulting.
There’s more at tonymartignetti.com
Tony’s guest this week:
Jonah Halper, author of the book “Date Your Donors” and founder and partner at Altruicity consulting.
There’s more at tonymartignetti.com
Tony’s guests this week:
Aria Finger, COO of DoSomething.org & president of TMI Agency.
Also Amy Sample Ward, CEO of Nonprofit Technology Network (NTEN) and co-author of “Social Change Anytime Everywhere.”
There’s more at tonymartignetti.com
Tony’s guests this week:
Aria Finger, COO of DoSomething.org & president of TMI Agency
Amy Sample Ward, CEO of Nonprofit Technology Network (NTEN) and co-author of “Social Change Anytime Everywhere.”
Read and watch more on Tony’s blog: http://tonymartignetti.com
Tony’s guests this week:
Tricia Napor, principal manager at Alcoa Foundation.
Muneer Panjwani, business development manager at DoSomething.org.
Scott Koegler, editor of Nonprofit Technology News.
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Hello and welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent for friday, september thirteen i’m your aptly named host oh, i hope you’re with me. Last week i’d be forced to endure him okra mathos iss if it came to my attention that you had missed the overhead myth letter signers written to the donors of america, the three co signers of the letter are the ceos of the better business bureau wise giving alliance guide star and charity navigator. I dubbed them the three tenors of charity evaluation art taylor, jacob, harold and ken berger and explained what led up to the overhead myth letter, why it was necessary and why they feel many charities should spend more on overhead, then good overhead, bad overhead. Jean takagi are legal contributor helped you understand what may be sensible and appropriate non-profit graham expenses for your non-profit and what you should avoid, how to protect your board officers and employees, but not go overboard on overhead gina’s principle of the non-profit and exempt organizations law group this week cause marketing one oh one, trish in neighbor, principal manager at alcoa foundation and mounir panjwani business development manager for do something dot org’s share tips for getting started in cause marketing what it is, what small and midsize shops have tto offer their corporate partners gold setting, transparency and aligning missions and needs, and that was recorded at fund-raising day twenty thirteen last june, and internal social networks scott koegler, our technology contributor and the editor of non-profit technology news, explains how social internal networks like your blawg you are blogging, right? Compliment the external networks like twitter and facebook. Also his quick wine recommendation between the guests on tony’s take two my block this week is there is no shortcut to getting planned gif ts here’s my interview with tricia naper and muneer panjwani on cause marketing welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio coverage of fund-raising day two thousand thirteen for at the marriott marquis hotel in times square, new york right in midtown and with me now, teo, talk about cause marketing are tricia neighbor she’s, principal manager with alcoa foundation, and mounir panjwani, business development manager for do something dot orc tricia mounir, welcome. Thank you. Thanks for having us times a pleasure. Pleasure. Nice and quiet here now some of the other recordings have not been this silent. We got lucky s o. Everybody will be very attentive to you. No background noise, let’s, let’s. Define this cause marketing and distinguish it. Maybe from sponsorships or some other things. Tricia, i want to start. What are we talking about? Certainly. Well, so at i work at alcoa foundation, which is the ah charitable arm of alcoa incorporated the aluminum company, which is mostly a business to business company. So we don’t do a lot of marketing. The foundation does a lot of wonderful social programs. And when you look at the issue with this particular partnership with do something was focused on is recycling when you look at the bismol recycling rates of aluminum in the u s you realize that you there’s an awareness problem that people don’t know about the importance of recycling and the amount of impact on the environment that recycling has. So we went, we started looking at ok. How do we really increase increase awareness? A cz well as access and incentives to this. And then ah, oui. I heard that ceo of do something speak and was blown away by the reach that they had with young people. And we really wanted find a way to reach young people with this important message. So that’s how this caused cause marketing campaign began. All right, mounir, why don’t you explain? What do something is? Get let’s, get, uh, started their servers on the same day. So do something, dot or it is the largest organization for young people. In social change, we create about twenty five costs campaigns that young people care about. You have about one point. Six million young people that participate with us every single year reaches all actually close to five million people on dh young people we define as anybody under the age of twenty five. So anybody over twenty five is considered an old person, which would make all of us here in old. Okay. And i was going to my question, andi, if viewers listeners would like to know more about do something have had aria finger on who’s the ceo, you’ll find that video on youtube. You also find the podcast on my block at tony martignetti dot com. She was talking about engaging people under twenty five. Got it had to do it. What is cause marketing money, or how do we distinguish this from other relationships we might have with with the corporate side? So a lot of corporate partnerships are often about, you know, like stopping on a logo on a campaign and that’s, usually where that’s usually where stops caused marketing, specifically aligning cos purpose and values to a cause that their constituency cares about or because of the companies, product or service actually impacts in some way. So we’re a fast food industry talking about hunger in the in the country or alcohol foundation, which is the largest producer of aluminum. Talking about recycling makes sense. So parting with a nonprofit organization that has the expertise and the ability to have a major impact in that space and quitting a partnership between the two, the two organizations is what cross marketing it’s. Okay, and that partnership could take lots of different forms slowly. I mean, i see a lot of point of sale. I know that’s, not your relationship, but it could be ok to be solicited back-up now, but point of sale, or or mohr causes like recycling or could be anything. I mean, this is very broad. Topic, right? Oh, yeah. It’s, it’s, it’s, it’s. Incredibly broad. And i think what’s happening now is the now that the spaces has become increasingly competitive. So every single company wants to do a cause marketing campaign, which is great for the non-profits it’s great for the world, however nobody’s trying to be bold yet, right? So they’re very few cause marketing campaigns are bold enough that they stand out from the crowd. So the challenge, their concern for latto non-profits is what big ideas do we have to separate ourselves from all the other ones? And, yeah, i suppose we are. A local organization. Doesn’t have the reach of do something, you know, five million constituents paying attention. What? What can that smaller to mid size shop offer? Well, the one thing i would advise him on is find out what your unique identity is, right? What a unique asset. So what’s one thing that you bring to the table that nobody else can, and it could just be an idea. It could be an expertise in a space it could be. It could be a service. It could be stories. It could be something specific that nobody else. Can offer that is valuable to the corporation and i would add, i know that this is about caused marketing, but i think from a corporate perspective, if you’re looking for corporate donors, you do have to take it beyond the marketing and that’s something that do something does really well is that they actually have significant impact. So in addition to getting the word out there and the millions of people who are listening to what do something is saying, they also had fifty thousand youth actually go and recycle fifty cans for this campaign, and then we can measure that and say, the results of this of this of this program were this on the environment and this many youth actually participate in the program, so for smaller non-profit that’s looking at caused marketing toe also look beyond just getting the message out, but is there a way that you can quantify the results in the impact of your programs on the community around the environment? Okay? And i’d say within the past, like four years or so, we’ve been hearing a lot more about four to five years, a lot more about impact measurements we need to quantify our outcomes and not just say it’s, good work, but but prove it definitely. So now how about for the smaller shop? Does it make sense for ah, smaller midsize non-profit to approach a company like alcoa? Or should they mawr have their sights set on something smaller, maybe more local to their community? What do you think? Well, i think it does make sense to approach a company in your local community. So, for example, alcoa foundation or an endowed foundation, we have a budget of about twenty five million every year, but we take half of our budget and give it to our local offices all around the world, so they have budgets that range on the amount of employees that are at that location. They might range from thirty thousand to three hundred thousand dollars a year that they give to local non-profit partners. And if a local non-profit partner in one of our facilities in iowa or california went to them and said we could do a really great cause marketing campaign that would also have significant impacts than definitely our local people would probably want to know more and potentially fund that partner, okay? And are you able to speak to what those local the company’s offices would be looking for? Yeah, well, specifically with alcoa foundation were focused on education and environment because there are two key themes that aline very much with our business. And so under the environment, we look at projects that reduce the use of natural resource is and reduce waste that recycle primarily aluminum and that also replenish so a lot of different tree planting in biodiversity programs. And then on the education side, we’re very much focused on stem education, science, technology, engineering and math. I’m sure your parents know what that is. Well, maybe not down. And i have drug in jail on the show. So if if you hadn’t defined it, i would’ve put you in georgian jail. Okay? And then i quickly quickly paroled. We also look at a lot of work force development specifically around manufacturing. Okay? And more generally, it sounds like i mean, the advice would be aligned. Find the company that aligns with your work. Exactly. Find a company. Fight like men when you’re sad. You know, find what your unique offerings are. Do your research. Find what? The company’s. In your local area are focused on check online to see what other kinds of partnerships they have and then come in, prepared and have a good conversation. Okay, let’s, talk about the preparation in here. How do you how do you make that first contact once you found some some good prospects stalking them? That’s the first thing on twitter is like talking about it, google them watch the videos, learn about the companies which is you can learn about the other, the partnership that they’ve made and the success they’ve had in the failures that they’ve had so often times you will look at a company that would say, you know, we had three thousand people like our facebook patient will say, well, what’s the impact of that right? And they might not have an answer to that. So when i sent an email out, i’ll say, you know, you had three thousand people like a facebook page, what? What was the impact? I would love to know what the impact was and if you don’t have one like we love to talk to you about, how can increase that number, not just a number, but actually engagement. Number right. So a tte the parties with alcoa came about after nancy, our ceo, spoke at a conference last year, and the conversation was little patricia restart to us, saying, you know, we loved her speech. We want a partner, seems like you guys to do it right. You guys know what you’re doing, and you’re the expert in your space, and the brand is really, really exciting and engaging, and they were trying to reach a youth market also, yeah, well, let’s, continue that that that threat, because it’s, not just enough to be on social media on dh tout numbers. Those air, you know, sort of vanity metrics, absolutely number of likes. 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What is what is ah, do something dot org’s do around linked in. Well, forcing it the founder of lincoln is on the board, so we sometimes have to be oh, there you go. Read happens on a board. Okay, then he spent hours. He’s been a huge support, but for from organization perspective, we have a page on it, and we usually post a lot of the things that are useful for prospective employees. Anybody that’s looking for internship? Our job on the side is their information. Is there? The other thing is nancy serves as one of the writers, so she has, i think, closed down about twenty thousand ceo seo yeah, so she’s, always riding pretty pretty sort of engaging in and fun articles about to do something culture, but also how to advise other smaller non-profits on how to do it, right? Right. So some of the learning that we’ve learned she’s very willing to share that in a very fun and sort of uncensored, weighing a lot. A lot of times, tricia, i think there’s going to be great value. If if you can share what the i’ll call foundation might have done in its research before it approached, do something so heard, nancy speak very engaging sounded of threshold level appropriate, right what’s the next step before you actually spoke to them? Well, eso how cold foundation’s been around for sixty one years, so we just have a lot of experience in working with different non-profits i had heard of do something dot org’s previously, and some of my colleagues had actually gone to their fundraiser the year before and said it’s organizations really fun they actually had their their fundraiser this year, two nights ago when we went back, and it is really fun it’s kind of unlike any other organization, especially just because they’re so focused on youth that that culture pervades everything that they do. So i had heard really good things about it on and then when i heard nancy speak, the thing that she said that really stuck out in my mind and in addition to her colorful language, which you don’t often hear of these conferences that we attend, is that the non-profit incorporate corporate partnerships. It’s a true partnership that the non-profit is not a vendor but their partner, and that has to do something. They have a lot of assets, they have a lot of expertise, they have huge constituent group on dh there, bringing that to the table, and what is the corporation bringing to the table and what are the unique needs and assets of both groups? And i love it when non-profits think that way when they don’t see themselves as a vendor, but as a true partner and that they can enhance what we’re trying to do on education and the environment. So hearing that and hearing that philosophy was pretty much enough, but of course we do our homework. We checked charity navigator and guide star and things of that nature is important for charges to hear it, to make sure that there are legitimate group and then actually are grant application processes pretty thorough, and they have to supply a lot of different information to show they’re financially stable and they have to share with us the list of people on their board of directors on and things of that nature so that we can verify that they’re not affiliated with any terrorist groups and things like that. So we do our homework. So? So before this relationship became was closed, they had to do a grant application. You know, this was not a great relationship that this was a great relationship. Yeah. Okay. Oh, i see. All right. All right. Um did it doesn’t go any further. Are there any? Is there any employee engagement? Definitely way worked. Everything that we look at we look at can we got our employees engaged. So the website that do something put up for us on fifty cans that had a lot of information about the benefits of recycling, i worked with our chief sustainability officer and our other experts in house at alcoa, on recycling on getting some really fun stats for people so the youth could go and see. Oh, wow. When i recycle it saved this. It saves this much energy. Or if i recycle this many cans, i save enough energy to fly to cancun for spring break and things like that. And we all work together on that. That was fun. And and then we turn and know it out to all of our employees saying if you have kids at this age group tell them tio participate and a bunch of them did because there was a five thousand dollar scholarship prize. Didn’t end up going to one of our employees. Children, which was good. You know, we want to spread the wealth, but but we did hear that a couple of our employees encourage their children to apply. And they were getting really into it and looking up where the different recycling facilities were in their towns and things like that. Okay, so yes, definitely went much deeper than the money. Yes, it always does. For us, we look at, you know, the the grant and we want to have the results. But we really want to be engaged and share our expertise as they are with us and money you want. You sound like you want to say more about that. I was going to just go back to the part about partnerships. I think. Do something you know has a very specific philosophy in partnership, which is that, like a partners have to be fun, that they just have to know how to have fun way we know that partition partners is not between organizations there between people. Right? So just like hanging out, patricia on the other night was really, really fun. And nancy, our ceo has always says if you make any any of her staff members cry will cut off the relationship that’s like it’s, like that’s the end of it. And i think i think that speaks really loudly to how how a lot of operatives don’t work, which is like hell bent over backwards to do whatever they can, even if their employees are unhappy. One of the projects not going so well are to make sure that you get the money, which is not the right way to go, because, you know, the part of just will. And as soon as that the program ends right, and we want to make the partners go on for as long as possible. And for that to happen, of forcing that it’s happening, their status meant honest conversation on the table. About what exactly? We’re looking for that big old setting that are realistic goals are in place, and we both understand that we can actually reach them and have our assets in place on the table, not saying that l krauz giving us money. And we’ll just take the money and do what we want with it, but really engaging, i’ll call in to the conversation about well, what can you what else can you bring to the table? And lastly, communicating with them continuously throughout the campaign about the progress off the campaign? So they were a couple challenges in the middle of the campaign where way we’re hitting the numbers because we weren’t getting the report back from the young people. So we told way said that to you. Trish ensues and her colleague about what was going on, and they were very honest about their, like, well, let’s think about other ways to engage our audience even more, and we pivot or just a little bit, but put together when you strategies and ended up getting one point, three million cans collected by about eleven weeks. No, that was that was the whole campaign was all gonna be okay. All right? So i see the nature of a true partnership sharing the fact that things are not. We’re not meeting targets and let’s collaborate about how we can we can make that make that change. And the other thing that was helpful from my point of view is i was looking for innovative recycling projects on dh. They came in and they had their template. This is who we are. This is how we run campaigns. We send out this many tax messages, this many emails, we set up the website, and then, you know, we just kind of to some degree plug and play the recycling messages into what we already dio. And we can show you the success that these campaigns have had on other subject areas. And so it was not like reinventing the wheel, although it felt so specific to us. And they really did hear what we were saying, where our main goals of the campaign and we far exceeded. I think we exceeded our cola foundation’s goals. And i think we even exceed to do something it’s goals. So it was the success for sure, it’s part of your seminar topic is avoiding some of the possible negative consequences. I know when here you mentioned communication being critical, what other ways might we avoid problems in these in these cause marketing relationship, i think transparency in every single wife. So transparency in any of the challenges that we’re facing a transparency and asking for help when we need it. So when we you know when when alcohol wanted to engage the employees, they they said, we need to engage employees, and we need to make sure that this campaign is open to the kids over employees. And he said, ok, that’s great. So here’s the messaging that you can send out the employees that’s going that they can pass on to their kids to get them involved in the campaign. S o i was a transparency is one of the biggest ones, because a lot of the initial reaction for anybody that’s in trouble is to hide the fact that something is wrong, right on dh we are always always honest because i mean, honesty breeds more honesty and honesty. Bill’s good relationships so that’s why i think that’s one of the reasons why most of our responses keep coming back to work with us, it’s because we never tell them something that they don’t have something that they just want to hear, we tell them, what’s the truth and i would say also with some cause marketing campaigns, you could have something occurred that might look like green washing or might look like, oh, we’re just marketing something. And what was successful about this campaign was we had a lot of stats and a lot of data from alcoa about the importance of recycling, and we know a lot of people have heard of you should recycle you should recycle, but i think that we frame the message in a really compelling way and do something worked with us, how i mean holding our hands, saying, ok, that message is appealing, but to appeal to this age group, you could just tweak it like this, and then people would really like it. So they helped us with our language and things of that nature. And i think for successful cause marketing campaigns, you want to make sure that the cause is clear and that the impact of what you’re trying to get people to do is clear. Okay? Meunier mounir, we you mentioned goal setting. You do that? I’m sure is a collaboration, both both there’s to be a two way street, right? Both sides need to benefit. What was the what was the main benefit for? Do something or some of the benefits. Do something it’s literally lives on data. We have two chief data people on staff, so all they do is crunch Numbers to figure out 1 what? What causes people care about and and what what campaigns we should be planning a number two was a measuring the impact radcampaign so, like he said, cause marketing campaigns usually are really hard to measure, and they’re usually measured in just media precious, right? We got a million media pressure, but that’s about it. But what about the number of people that you reach that actually took action over you of this campaign? So we have a very sophisticated tracking mechanism with our members, so every time somebody signs up on our website or signs of being mobile, we can we can track that every time somebody reports back, we contract because we have their cell phone numbers, we can track the locations where they add their age group, the high school, that they go to their demographics. All that data is that we have so we can at the end of the campaign, we can figure out exactly who participated in the campaign, which is incredibly, incredibly useful for any corporate. Partner on that. And we also know that, like, numbers tend to nam in stories into stick, so don’t number is going to be huge. We always find one or two stories that are really, really meaningful impact to share, too sort of to to, to me to make the numbers more colorful. Underlying one year’s discussion was spinning of the wheel in the jason booth. So, for listeners are, or even watching video, you’re not seeing this wheel’s been, but there’s, a company that we’ll let you spend it, we don’t take a chance at winning mug t shirt kapin or ah, and i paid many drawing entry, so that’s, what that’s, what you’re hearing let’s, see. Tricia let’s, let’s, leave. We just have a like a minute and a half for shoulder let’s. Leave small and midsize non-profits with the first step. Really tio engaging in this kind of relationship with company? What should they should be thinking about first, um, i would go back to what muneer said it. No, i know what it is that you do that is unique on look at who your audience is and who your constituents are that you have access to and then really clarify that. Say, these are the people who are following us on twitter. And we have this many facebook people and we have this many people that we can reach. You read our newsletters, etcetera. So if you work with us on this cause marketing campaign, this is how many people you would reach. And then also be sure that there’s something what’s great about this is that do something. People cycled fifty cans. Then they went online and they said i recycled fifty cans. They got put in a lottery to win a five thousand dollar scholarship so that data that he was just talking about, we can actually say fifty one thousand use recycled one point three million cans, and that is something that you, the corporation’s really do want. They really do want those metrics. Okay, excellent. Thank you both very much. Thank you, tony. My pleasure attrition. Naper is principal manager for the alcoa foundation and mounir panjwani is business development manager for do something dot org’s. Thanks again, tony martignetti coverage of fund-raising day two thousand thirteen. 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Thank you so much time for tony’s take two my block this week is there is no shortcut to plant e-giving i have been seeing recently on twitter and some email marketing and promotion messages that i get people suggesting that there’s quick ways to get planned gif ts these are, of course, gif ts from people’s state and retirement plans it’s the work that i do in consulting that’s that’s, my fund-raising niche is planned e-giving um, there are plenty of quick ways to promote planned gif ts, but there aren’t quick ways too close planned gif ts i list on the blogged a bunch of about a dozen ways to promote plant giving very quickly, like just a nisi short sidebar in a newsletter or in an e mail blast, adding a checkoff to your year and reply cards, adding a check off to the back flap the of all your envelopes um, and they said, list about a dozen in this in the in the block, those air quicken and cheap ways of promoting planned giving but closing the gif ts that takes time because these air gif ts that require lots of personal thought and personal factors going into the decision. Think about your estate planning your retirement plan. The the most basic example is a gift in someone’s will what would it take for you to include a charity alongside your husband, wife, children, grandchildren? That takes a lot of thought? You don’t just do that because you got an e mail blast so there’s no quick route to closing these gif ts and that’s what i’ve been objecting to that i’ve been seeing on the on the social networks and in my email lately, the block post is called there is no shortcut to plant e-giving my block is that tony martignetti dot com, and that is tony’s take two for friday, thirteenth of september thirty seventh show of the year. Scott koegler returns he’s the editor of non-profit technology news, which is that n p tech news dot com on twitter he’s at scott koegler. Scott koegler welcome back! Hey, tony, thanks a lot, it’s a pleasure to have you it’s a pleasure to be had. Thank you. I just gave you a shout out for twitter, but something very disturbing has come to my attention since you were on last you are not following me on twitter, is that right? Believe possible? You believe that? I don’t know i’d like to ask you that question you’ve been on for. Ah, just about probably this has been like three years on the show. I tried to send you a direct message and, uh, i couldn’t do it. You are not following me on twitter, let me see here alright, you’re you khun you khun rectifying martignetti there. There you are and yeah, look at that. No following, thank you very much. I think i was going to say you could take care of it after the show. But thank you for resolving that. Okay, that’s the end of the official admonishing, wait, we’re talking about the internal sense social networks, which can complement the external ones like facebook and twitter, right? Absolutely. And, you know, there’s been so much talk about, obviously about social networks, facebook, twitter, google plus, you know, ad, ad nauseum and, you know, those were great, but and they they are useful, and in connecting with people that you may not know, that your friends may know, or that your associates may know so it’s a good way to reach out, sure, right? Um, the good part about that is that is that it can expand your fear, events, your sphere of influence. But the bad part of it is that that bleeds over into possible competitors. Er, um, you know, competitors, organizations that may also be friends with other people that you are friends with, that your friends are friends with, you know, how that goes, right? So it works both for and against you, no. So that said it’s, something that he really can’t ignore and you should certainly be posting to and participating in all right, but the whole point of internal social networks is that it’s i don’t want to call it a captive audience, but it’s more of ah, well, it’s, internal, it’s, it’s something that is within it’s, usually attached to your website and it’s kind of internal club that people that are interested in what you’re doing are participating with okay, short definition. Okay, we’ll talk more about this internal club. What are the advantages of setting this up internally to complement the external well, the advantages that you can you have control over over the messages that are being sent now that you don’t have control over the messages in your in your facebook princeton’s, but if you post something on your own website, the internal social network, then you know that at least the people that are that are participating in that are going to get your message. Additionally, that message can be then reposted, and a lot of the systems that are available for internal social networks will automatically take your posts from the internal network and re post them to twitter, facebook, google, plus and whatever else. So you’ve got this kind of ripple effect going out, okay, um, isn’t there? Ah, ah, also a reason to do this because you can capture data about the people. Sure, sure, you know, facebook profiles are great because you know, they’re they’re available, but they’re very generic, right? You look at my facebook profile, it just kind of says who i am and what i like. I wouldn’t know what it is. We’re not. We’re not friends on facebook. Yeah, you know, when i when i saw that, they’re not when i saw that you don’t follow me on twitter, i unfriended you on facebook. Not that i think we’ll be following you on twitter. All right, not that i’m vindictive, but i i’m vindictive. Okay, i got it. I don’t want you to think i’m vindictive, okay, but so is a okay, go ahead. I know you know, i know them. All right, so facebook is yeah, there’s so much you can learn about someone on facebook, okay, right, but if if you have a social network internally to your system and to your organization than the profiles on people generate, there are much more specific they will talk about, you know, how they’re involved within your organization, and so it kind of brings things closer to what what your organization is about. People will say, well, i went to this particular event, or i helped with this project or i i’m participating in such and such and so it’s much more, more focused, you get people a better view of what’s going on within your organization on also branding, right? You have total control over the way this sight is going to look, absolutely, and you can take some of your, uh, good way to get to get participation is there is to take some of you block post opposed internally on your site and offer those up as questions or or request for commentary through your internal social network. Those then post out to your facebook your twitter, whatever else, right? And as people see that, whether there, um whether they’re currently on your internal network or not, when they click on those the comment that click should and they don’t always but, uh, if you look at the facilities that are available, who should bring you directly back into your internal social network for comment? So it’s kind of ah, you know, it’s reaching out and pulling in is what it’s doing? Ok, now you said block posts would go to your your internal network. I thought we were talking about blogging. We’re talking about something different than your organization’s blawg when we talk about this journal club, correct? We’re talking about a a way for people to communicate to each other, not a blob. Blob, you know, is an external in an article that was posted that then goes out, um, there’s a there’s. A really good example of an internal social network that’s done by sales force. Self a link for you, sales force foundation dot or ge? Okay, uh, you know, i’m not really promoting sales force, although i think it’s a it’s a great tool. Uh, that sales force is a, uh he’s a manager of contacts. Right. So c r m a contact. Management, not sierra constituent relationship management system. Thanks, but i don’t have time for you to get all your people, your list of people in there, and then they can interact with each other. It also allows you to manage how you talk to folks and what kind of messages you get out. So, yes, it’s different from a block. Okay, so so the concept is you write a blogger and you say, hey, i wrote this block and you posted into europe for instance, sales force or non-profits serum, and that then gets posted out to the people that are currently members of of it. So it goes directly to them. It also gets posted out to your twitter followers and to your facebook followers into google plus followers. So it’s a way of just before kind of reaching out and bringing in. Okay, okay, um and i want to be fair toe sales force that not that they support this show in any way or have any relationship with me. But they do have, eh? A program where non-profits can use up too. I think. It’s up to ten licenses sales force for absolutely free. We’ve had guests on a couple of guests have have mentioned that in the past maria simple is one of them, so we won’t be fair to sales force. They do have a non-profit program on dh, so it does work for non-profits as well. So we have just about a minute or so before we take our first break. What what does it take to get started in creating this? This this club internally? Well, let’s, just take sales for since we’ve been talking about that, since we also know it’s free and it’s probably one of the most widely used managers of of for any kind of internal networking. Uh, just goto salesforce foundation, not order signed up for there will be instructions there on how to integrate that into your website, and it should be connected through your website that’s kind of the whole purpose is so that it brings people back to your website on then start to use it, you know, announce your post your blood articles written on through that, uh, do that system and let it do its job. Okay, if you also want to ask people to join and all that kind of thing, yeah, we’re gonna talk more about bringing in. Some early adopters and things like that. So we’re going to go away for a couple seconds. We come back, scott, and i’ll keep talking about your internal social network. Keep listening that. You’re listening to the talking alternative network. Are you stuck in your business or career trying to take your business to the next level, and it keeps hitting a wall? This is sam liebowitz, the conscious consultant. I will help you get to the root cause of your abundance issues and help move you forward in your life. Call me now and let’s. Create the future you dream of. Two, one, two, seven, two, one, eight, one, eight, three, that’s to one to seven to one, eight one eight three. The conscious consultant helping conscious people. Be better business people. Oppcoll have you ever considered consulting a road map when you feel you need help getting to your destination when the normal path seems blocked? A little help can come in handy when choosing an alternate route. Your natal chart is a map of your potentials. 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Well, the old fashioned way and ask them and you can ask them in the same manner that you would, uh, post a blonde post onto your internal social network simply hey, we’ve got this new thing and we invite you to join our club it’s probably say it better than i just said it, but, uh, you post that out, it would go out to your two or three people that you’ve got internally and they’ve got to your to your facebook, twitter, google, plus but there’s one other trick that probably is a better way to handle it and at least a good way to get it started and that is to go to your people that are currently participating with your organisation in other ways and simply ask them to be pilots for for this, for this new venture that you’re putting together, just ask them to join asked them to comment and ask them to invite their friends, you know peer-to-peer usually more effective than just kind of a blind invitation. These are the people who are the most active in your existing networks, right? Exactly. Okay, um, and as your as you’re promoting this and inviting people to come, you need to be sharing what? What the value is, why they should spend time with you, right? And hopefully that’s part of what goes on in your blondes because that’s really the topic anyhow, what are we doing? Why is it important to the world? Why’s it important to you? And maybe it will take one or two sentences as a preface to that block post to say, you know, here’s, something new we put up, we really think this is important. Please come here and read it. And while you’re here, please join our into our internal network of conversations as we are ongoing promoting this durney we need to be listening back to the community right for feedback, right? And and that’s really no different again from what you would do with twitter, facebook, right? Well, plus you certainly want to interact and that’s the whole point. And if you’re trying to concentrate your efforts to your internal social network and provide, uh, even better interaction there. You should be paying at least a little bit more attention to the internal than you would be to your external. Of course, you know, it all kind of balances out. You don’t want to ignore anyone, but you always want to say, you know, please come, join us here rather than out there. Yeah, you have, ah, article, that is a couple of years old, but it talks about this very, very, uh, thoroughly and there’s. Also, ah, suggestion of another place. Besides what you had suggested, sales force that will help is a platform for setting these up. The right but i can’t seem to remember which wanted what which one they’re talking about, but you obviously dio advanced solutions international? Uh, right, right. Of course, it’s a d v s o l dot com. So i like to give, like, to give listeners a couple of choices. What else? What else you wanna tell us about these thes internal networks that i haven’t asked you about? I think the message is that they’re adjunct to the one two what you’re already doing. And and in some ways that probably putting one of these together probably make your social media life a little bit easier because it is, and it should be the starting place for all social media conversations you can post there and have it automatically post out to your other social networks, which means you’re not going to everyone of your social networks and posting, uh, crusher probably is in some kind of some kind of tool to automatically post anyhow, but this this is one place to concentrate on again will bring things back together into your eye. Your designated location? No, i guess that’s really the most of it. But overall it’s going? To help you to concentrate your constituency on the things that you think are more important and toe let that conversation build internally rather than just kind of out in the wild. Okay, and then you also have the advantage of finding out more about your people as we talked about, right? As they develop their profiles, you get learn more about them and you can then contact sales force again is a great tool to do exactly that because i mean that’s the whole point of sales forces knowing who you’re dealing with, knowing what their last interaction was, knowing what they’re interested in and then being able to communicate directly with him. Okay, we got just enough time for you to give your quick wine recommendation. What? What is it? All right. I have wanton it’s, a california wine it’s, an alexander valley cabernet sauvignon it’s a two thousand ten and it’s been one of the one of my most consistent, highly rated it’s under under twenty dollars. Generally seventeen dollars, or so. And you can get it a lot of places. Total line wine warehouse. Those kind of places. Ok, say it one more time. What is? It alexander valley cabernet sauvignon the one i like is the two thousand ten okay, scott koegler are non-profit technology contributor, editor of non-profit technology news, which is that n p tech news dot com he’s at scott koegler on twitter my newest follower and the article that we talked about this at at and p tech news dot com is called non-profit social media smarts, internal or external social networking tools. Scott koegler thank you very much. Thanks, tony. Take care. My pleasure. Thank you. Next week. Maria semple is back. She’s our prospect research contributor. She reminds us that newspapers and magazines are valuable prospect research tools. They sound like they’re very nineteen, ninety nine, but they can be valuable and she’ll explain why if you like this show, then you’ll love my podcast for the chronicle of philanthropy. 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Aria Finger, COO of DoSomething.org
Eric Saperston, chief creative officer of Live In Wonder
Maria, Semple, The Prospect Finder, consultant in prospect research and author of “Panning for Gold: Find Your Best Donor Prospects Now”
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Dahna welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent of your aptly named host it’s february twenty fourth, twenty twelve if you were with me last week, then you would have caught my guest, penelope cagney. She was she is the author of non-profit consulting essentials. What non-profits and consultants need to know. We talked about how to make the relationships with your consultants work, whether they’re helping you with fund-raising governance management or something else this week. Take on teens. Are you finger ceo of do something dot or ge gives ideas for motivating teens and finding their passion points to get them engaged in your work. This was pre recorded at last year’s next-gen charity conference and pursue your hero’s journey. His journey took him across the u s in a vw microbus, inviting two hundred of the country’s, most famous and powerful people. 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Very happy now to give you a pre recorded interview from next-gen charity conference last year, take on teams with aria finger here’s that interview welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio coverage of the next-gen charity conference two thousand eleven we’re at the tribeca performing arts center in downtown manhattan, and my guest now is aria finger she’s the ceo of do something dot or ge in that responsibility, she covers marketing and cause campaigns, finance, business development at do something, and her message today was about inspiring young people and that’s what i’d like to talk with you about are you welcome to the show. Thank you so much pleasure to have you here. What? Thank you effusive generally welcome that’s great. So our audience is small and midsize non-profits why don’t we start? Just generally do you think they’re doing everything they can to bring young people to their cause is well, i hate to answer that, no, but i would have to say that not-for-profits heir not having enough fun. Young people are not going to be involved in social. Change if it’s boring and they don’t see the impact of what they’re doing. So you got to make it fun applicable to these young people. Look so otherwise. A fifteen and sixteen year old, they’re better things to do. If they have xbox, they have tv. They have their cell phones. Okay, on dh when you say young people, do you do mean teenagers? Is that to us? Young people is twenty five and under. But our target market is teenagers, and we think that’s a really untapped resource. Okay, but obviously the future of social change is in today’s teenagers. Course. Okay, um so what is it? Do something thing doing tio that we can learn from? Well, i think a few things to one is using technology. So a lot of people, when they talk about cell phones, they talk about mobile aps. They talk about iphones that have about blackberries. Young people don’t have those things. Young people have boring old regular cell phones that text message. So and they send thirty, three hundred text messages every month. So let’s use that is that is that the average thirty seven receive more than a hundred girls. In forty two hundred girls are crazy, so why not use what they already do? Lets go where they are, let’s go into their hands into their backpacks, wherever they keep their cellphones to get to them onda second thing is, i would just say use their passion points, so don’t tell them what to care about. If they care about sports, i find out what derek jeter’s causes or find out what dwayne wade’s causes and you something they’re passionate about to get them even more excited about, you know, the cause and the work that you’re doing, whether it’s sports, music, entertainment, whatever. Okay, if we want to be in the within the forty, two hundred mics for, ah, sixteen year old girls text that we want to stand out, what do we need to be texting them about? How should we be approaching them so we can stand out in this message? You know, one hundred fifty messages a day, i think just by texting them, you’ll be standing out because so few not-for-profits air really using mobile to the best of your abilities, but i would say ask for something a lot of people when they take someone, they just push out. Hey, we’re doing this hey, come volunteer here and they’re not expecting anything from you, so treat them as part of your organization, asking their opinion. Ask him with you. They want you to do ask them what they think. It’s better just expect a response because teenagers like to talk a call to action. So teenage called to action? Yeah, but you want something back from them and engage them in that conversation, do you? You actively survey text message over the text has a link to a survey or something like that. We don’t do a link to a survey because they mostly don’t have smart phones. But so a great example is last week we sent out a text that said, what do you think of college? A it’s? You know, awesome. And i’m excited to go be over her price, not worth it. See, i have no idea, and we sent out one hundred thousand people and we got sixteen thousand people to respond and our sixteen percent so amazing just immediate response rate. And then we were able to send that out to the young people and say, hey, you know, this is what your peers had to say. Let’s have a discussion right now about education and poverty in this country, you know? Okay, how else can we use text? What else should we be doing? Diving deeper and help non-profits think about the details of their own promotion and branding and what they could be doing. Well, the other thing is, you need to get a short coat. So for instance, if you are, you know sloan kettering, you’re short code could be cancer or cancer sucks or cancer bites or whatever you want. But you need to figure out what that short coat is. And then wherever you go, if you have any advertising on taxi tops or banners or wherever you can say, you know, text cancer sucks. Teo a number, you know, three, eight, three, eight, three is do something short code. And then even if people don’t have the web right with them, they can sign up right on their mobile phone, no matter where they are. Concert event, volunteer event. Whatever. Okay, excellent short code. Give us one more. One more thing that we ought to be doing. Well, the last thing do something doesn’t dio because we don’t fund-raising anyone, twenty five are under, but i would talk teo the mobile giving foundation, and see if there is an opportunity for you to use text to give or any of those platforms, whether it’s at a fundraiser or just in general, if you have any public service announcements or anything else in the mix, all right, now you just said something very interesting do something does not fund-raising twenty five and under now presumed that you weren’t fund-raising among fifteen sixteen year olds, but your why not under twenty five? And why are we talking about engaging youth if if you’re not engaging under twenty five for fund-raising because we just we don’t believe in it. We want our young people to take action. We want them to donate genes. We want them to create awareness campaigns. We want them, tio, you know, advocate for music, education and so fund-raising it’s awesome, but every other not for-profit in the world is doing a lot of it so we can leave. It altum okay, okay. Other other calls to action clearly. Exactly. You also mentioned passion points. How are we going to assess what the passion points are for the teams that were trying. Teo, bring, bring, bring into the family. I mean, first you can ask them, but you can also look at, you know, why pulse or any other source out there that gives you teen trends of the moment. So last week you would see that the hunger games was the biggest trailer to hit, you know, tv ever and teens are really crazy about this book and this movie. And so how can you use hunger games, which is ah, movie about sort of oppression by the government and lacking freedom of speech and all these actually teachable moments? How do you use that? To get young people to get involved in what you’re doing? Just follow pop culture. Okay, okay. Let’s, follow pop culture. So where where should the forty and fifty year olds who want to engage the fifteen and sixteen year olds be looking that they have sites they never even heard of? Where should we be going to follow team culture? S o they can email me and ask and i’ll let them know. Or like i said, why pulse dot com it’s a great place to go and it’ll letter. Why? Why, yes, pulse and it sort of is the pulse of teens technology cause and they will give you they have a daily email and they’ll tell you sort of everything that’s going on in the teen space and that’s actually where i get a lot of my information. Ok, is there another suggestion? Where else can we look? We’re struggling where people are parents and maybe even grand parents, but they don’t know how to connect with their grandchildren at on this level. What else besides wipe all? Well, i mean just you can just go to basic things you can see. They’ll say what the biggest opening weekend was for a movie that came out. You can see what is on the itunes top ten list and all of those which is publicly available. You know, you could do a quick google search on you know what teens are watching and reading these days? Oh, teen choice awards, people’s choice awards any of those award shows that people are doing then you know, who’s hot in the teen world. Okay. And try to find the connection between what? What is? Trending and what your work is i mean, there’s always going to be that exactly every day at ten o’clock do something. Does this thing oppcoll tenant ten and so we have ten minutes at ten a m where the whole office comes together and we talk about what’s going on in the news. So, like, you know, we check out the new york times, cnn people dot com whatever and try to relate anything that’s trending in the news to cause on how to make that relevant to teenagers. So any time you can sort of hook onto new stories that teenagers care about, you’ll be able to give your organization’s message legs that it didn’t have before. All right, i’m gonna stop. There were stopped on legs. Are your finger? Are you? Finger is seo do something. Dot org’s he’s. A terrific suggestion. Really very valuable advice. Are you? Thank you very much for being a yank you very much. Pleasure. This is tony martignetti non-profit radio coverage of the next-gen charity conference two thousand eleven. Are you finger? Thank you again. Thanks. Bye. You didn’t think to get independent. You’re listening to the talking alternative network e-giving. E-giving good. Are you stuck in your business or career, trying to take your business to the next level, and it keeps hitting a wall? This is sam liebowitz, the conscious consultant. I will help you get to the root cause of your abundance issues and help move you forward in your life. Call me now and let’s. 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For more information, contact me at monte m o nt y at r l j media. Dot com talking alternative radio twenty four hours a day. Lively conversation. Top trends. Sound advice, that’s, tony martignetti non-profit radio. And i’m samantha cohen from the american civil liberties union. Now i have for you another next-gen interview with eric sapp. Kristen pursue your hero’s journey he’s a very interesting guy, very interesting journey here’s that interview welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio live coverage of the next-gen two thousand eleven charity conference. We’re in lower manhattan at the tribeca performing arts center, i guess now is eric sapp wriston his film is the journey, which is based on a trip that he took around the country cold calling ceos, entertainment icons, authors, artists, global leaders and taking them out for a cup of coffee and conversation. Except kristen, welcome to the show, tony. Glad to be here to play pleasure to have you. You must have learned a lot, and i listened to you when you’re onstage, and the one that caught me was one of the people that you spoke to was volkswagen mechanic. If you were driving a volkswagen, won’t you tell us a little about your story? And that way we’d get into what the volkswagen mechanic share? You bet you know, i graduated from college and i decided i was going to take a year off and follow the grateful dead and work of ski. Season and aspen and challenged by my mentor to make the trip more meaningful, i decided that when i wasn’t following the dead and work in a ski season, i was going to call up some of the most powerful people in the world and take them out for a cup of coffee. And ah, as john steinbeck, who wrote a book called travels with charlie, said, sometimes you take a trip and sometimes the trip takes you, and this trip has taken me well beyond what i even could have imagined. I spent four years on the road. I picked up three other travellers. We learned how to use a video camera. We shot over five hundred hours of footage interviewed over two hundred of most extraordinary people on the planet ended up getting a development deal with walt disney studios, turned our journey into an award winning feature film that played in theatres, and he put us on the today show, cnn, new york times and launched us into an international speaking career and brought you tony martignetti non-profit radio also, you know which it is mentioned that in your credentials, well, that’s, because i was just about ready to say that cause that’s that’s now, i think the evolution of this journey has now brought me to this moment. Thank you. Equally is amazing. Is the other movement who was the mentor in your life? You know, i met a college professor who has gone on to be one of the top leadership consultants in the world, dr tony smith. And when he was getting his master’s thesis, i ended up walking into a speech communication class. And that meeting ended up changing the trajectory of my life. He was the one who stood for me to be greater than i thought i could be. You interviewed? Well, you met you sat with jimmy carter and no jerry garcia’s. Well, but i’m really intrigued by the volkswagen mechanic because you mentioned him just as an aside and on the stage. And i’m really interested in what he or she shared with you. You know, when you have ah, nineteen, seventy one volkswagen bus. One of the nice things about that is you get to meet lots of volkswagen mechanics on a journey. And you know, the breakdowns are are super important and valuable. And you know when i met this mechanic. The thing that really struck me is that that the journey was never about, you know, ceos or necessarily, you know, becoming financially successful. Though i met many people who are financially successful. Ah, the definition that we carried with us for, uh, the criteria in which we wanted to meet people was, are they getting up in the morning, excited and going to bed fulfilled. And this particular volkswagen mechanic that we met in houston was just he ran his shop like the ritz carlton. You know, you sat down to give you a cup of coffee. Really made sure that you were well taken care of. And i was just moved by his passion. He loved what he did and you know, the that he was really who he was being that really struck me. It just reminded me that you don’t have to. And i guess that really relates to the to the non profit world. Is that it’s? You know, success is what you measure. You know, it’s what? You determine its successful. A lot of people think that success is something in the future where if you accomplish enough things, you do enough things that someday you’ll be successful, but i tend to believe that success is with you right now, doing today and every day excellently, whatever it is you’re doing and then sooner or later you may get a reward which you may interpret a success, but it’s only a reward for doing excellently, whatever it is you say you’re going to do, and this volkswagen mechanic really just showed up with that level of excellence and compassion and and it just it was really moving and recognizing to that success isn’t from external sources were, as you said, where we most people are enjoying success right now, just not recognizing it. It doesn’t have to be recognised externally and brought to you, but that were in it right now. Totally one of the things that that i to on all the time is that success is what we measure, right? So my invitation to people is always tio to get really clear about what your measure of success is and don’t let other people dictate what success means to you. So for example, i’m a big fan of the hero’s journey and you know, if you if you go down a path that’s uniquely your own by definition, you can’t be successful unless retroactively. And what i mean by that is that if you’re a real estate agent, and this year you sell thirteen homes and then next to you sell fifteen homes, well, we can measure that your three home was more successful than you were last year, and everybody gets that. But if you are on a heroic journey in which you are following your instincts and you’re going down a path nobody has trod before, then you can’t be successful unless retroactively because there’s nothing to measure because the people who love you are trying to measure your success, and right now, it’s unclear what you’re doing. And so even the people closest to you, the ones who love you the most, were tried to guide you off of that path because they want to guide you to a place they can actually understand and measure. So if you for me, for example, when i was talking about, you know, i was traveling around the country, and i was telling people that i was going to call the most powerful people in the world and take him out for coffee. Nobody understood what that was going to turn out to be. You know what that was going? So everyone tried to advise me against it. Now flash forward a few years later and my movies playing in theatres and i’m on the today show. Then people go that’s, what you’re doing now, now you bring back the elixir. You bring back the goods, though community goes, oh, now we see i believed in you all the time, but it’s that space in between and i think that space in between prevents many people from living extraordinary lives because people are afraid of being judged and and misunderstood and ostracised. But i think if you’re on the hero’s journey, that is just par for the course with their ah categories of sort of lessons that you learned, they thinks fit into some generalized lessons that that that you share with people and you’re from your conversation after meeting after meeting to hundred the most extraordinary people on the planet. I mean, obviously people have asked me to try to come up with some of the commonalities of successful people. And so mike white, my question just is so if you’ve heard it a million times, nothing it’s not all insightful is really, really not much to it your your question is a shallow question your question is, equally is profound. You know, if i if i thought about a couple of salient messages that i’ve i’ve learned from the people that i’ve met, um one it’s it’s super important to trust your instincts toe to meditate, to be quiet, tio, to listen to that voice inside and trusted, you know, when you ask people oftentimes some question they go, i don’t know on my follow-up is well, if you did know, what would it be? You know, it’s like it’s your ultimately the journey is you against you and to get really clear about what you’re up to in the world. Oh, and and trust yourself. I think another lesson i learned from these amazing people is is teo be humble and to ask for help that if you can figure out what the what is thin, go seek out lives people and get the how and i think on stage you shared with the audience that that was one of the primary lessons that seeking help, but we’re it’s not about ego it’s about the people you bring around you. Yeah, you know, i think that it prevents people from living extraordinary lives if they get their ego out of out of whack. You know, i’ve done so many things in my life and and i don’t really have any credentials to do any of them. And so, you know, i’m very clear about what my vision is and then sought out people much smarter than me to help guide me and that people love to do that. If you’re passionate and you’re clear, you could get access to the most powerful people in the world that will give you insights, direction, support, money, resource, arses. But you have to be willing to ask for help, you know, i interrupted you. Go ahead. There were some some common lessons. You will understand you. Another common lesson is finish what you start. You know where it we’re a culture of easy starters, but very few finishers and tenacity is a great value. And even if your friends are advising you against that path, it depends. You know, i guess there’s another insight there too. And that is be really careful on who you’re taking counsel from. There are a lot of cynics out there and people who have gone and have not pursued what they believe is their higher purpose and out of good intentions, they will try to guide you away from that. I didn’t listen to just anybody. I went to talk to people who are getting up in the morning, excited, going to bed, fulfilled, who had been successful over multiple generations, who have done extraordinary things. And when they told me to jump, i’d say how high. But if i met somebody else know doesn’t mean that cynics can offer you a great insight i took, i took insight from everybody i could be on a bus and all of a sudden, you know, a city bus, and somebody offered me a great pearl. I’d like thank you and a za counterpoint to this, the cynics and naysayers or some of my best allies, because i’m an optimist and i tend to look for what’s possible and the people who are cynics are looking for whats not possible and often times if you’re open to hearing them, they could point out something. That you’ve missed and also make that part of your plan. So i i’m just i’m a sponge. I listened to everybody, but then again come back to my own intuition and and then now choose i love your inspiration toe follow what you believe in, take advice, but you would stick to that that path i mean, tenacity, the passion sort of things that you you got when you invited the audience to yell out, you know, what does it take to be successful too? I forget i don’t member how you phrased it, but a cheese or what virality what separates those who achieve from those who do not know and the audience rattled off. You know, ten answers from courage to communication, teo having a vision and and the differentiating factor for me was what separates those who achieve from those who do not is in direct proportion to one’s ability to ask others for help. Ask others for help. I’m gonna leave there. Alright, tony it’s been a pleasure. Thanks for let me sit. And for anybody that your listeners are interested, we have a website which is www dot live in wonder dot com l i v i n w endy r and there’s tons of videos, and we have a new book on living wonder, and we have our movie, the journey, and and we’d love to get a message from me, there’s, a contact us button. And right now we have a campaign to inspire the world to live in wonder. So if you’re out there living and wonder, please let us know we are eric sacristan. His film is the journey there’s, much more to his story, and you’ll find it at live in wonder. Dot com. This is tony martignetti non-profit radio coverage of the next-gen charity conference two thousand eleven. I want to thank eric sapperstein again, sitting down with us, tony it’s. Been a pleasure. Thanks for my privilege. You’re listening to the talking alternative network. Are you feeling overwhelmed in the current chaos of our changing times? A deeper understanding of authentic astrology can uncover solutions in every area of life. After all, metaphysics is just quantum physics, politically expressed, i and montgomery taylor and i offer lectures, seminars and private consultations. For information, contact me at monte m o nt y at r l j media. Dot com are you stuck in your business or career trying to take your business to the next level, and it keeps hitting a wall? This is sam lebowitz, the conscious consultant. I will help you get to the root cause of your abundance issues and help move you forward in your life. Call me now and let’s. Create the future you dream of. Two, one, two, seven, two, one, eight, one, eight, three, that’s to one to seven to one, eight one eight three. The conscious consultant helping hunters. People be better business people. Hey, all you crazy listeners looking to boost your business? Why not advertise on talking alternative with very reasonable rates? Interested simply email at info at talking alternative dot com welcome back to the show, it’s time for tony’s take two at roughly thirty two minutes into the hour my block this week. I don’t know what’s on my block this week, i’m recording this twenty february twenty fourth show about three weeks early, and i don’t know what’s going to be on the block when you’re listening to this. So i’m going to point you to two recent posts that have gotten a decent number of comments one was share my optimism for twenty twelve i’m always optimistic at the beginning of a new year, and this one is certainly included really doesn’t matter that we’re in the midst of a recession. I’m still just optimistic at the beginning of every year, and a bunch of people agreed with me so you could see that post share my optimism for twenty twelve another one that did pretty well was say thank you before you have to. This was the story of a one of my credit cards that got compromised and the card was canceled and i had a few automatic payments on it and the companies that i had those payments with, along with their requests for the new number the new credit card number. They had started thanking me, but they had never done that before. And i had been a customer of theirs for, like, five or six years for each of them. So it just got me thinking that they’re not really thanking me out of gratitude there thinking because it’s embarrassing. Now, if they don’t thank me when they’re tryingto get the new number and just get back into my pocket so that didn’t sound like genuine gratitude and ah, and i blogged about it. So that’s ah, that post is called say thank you before you have to. These are both on my block at tony martignetti dot com note the new girl tony martignetti dot com and that is tony’s take two for friday, february twenty fourth, the eighth show of twenty twelve with me now is maria simple, the prospect finder, our regular prospect research contributor she’s, an experienced trainer and speaker on prospect research. Her website is the prospect finder dot com her book is panning for gold. Find your best donorsearch prospects now, ria simple. Welcome back. Thanks a lot, tony it’s, great to be here with you again. Always a pleasure to have you were talking about going greater into google search this week. Google search results have changed very recently. What? What’s what’s up there? Yeah. You know, i thought we might devote some time talking about this because i started seeing headlines in some very reputable publications like mashable. Dot com and the headline read, google merch is emerges search and google plus into social media juggernaut. And then i read another article through comes stant contact that said, google blurs the lines between social and search. I got to thinking about what would the impact be on the overall prospect, a research community where in most cases are first place we turn to for information on individuals, foundations, corporations, whatever is google, right? I think. And i found something that said in september of two thousand eleven, google represented sixty percent of all searches that was that was, according to experian hitwise. And so i got to thinking about what is all this going to mean? So let’s, break this down a little bit first, just to kind of give people a little bit of background, you know, google set up something called google plus so their own social media network okay? And i kind of didn’t pay too much attention to it for a while, and i knew that eventually i would have to get on board and open up a google plus account, and not only for me personally, but for my business. Then i realized what the impact would be, whether you had this account or not in terms of your potential search results. So let’s talk about this a little bit, because in addition to google plus, which they say has now has ninety million users and they’re expecting it to grow very quickly. This is this is google’s expectations. Um then you couple that with what they recently just launched in the last few weeks, which is search, plus your world. So it impacts your search results, whether you’re logged into your google account or not. So i wanted to take a closer look at that, and i did some experimenting. And would you like to hear about some of the search results and how they were influenced us to whether i was lobbed into google or not? No, not really. I think we should skip that now, of course. That’s why we’re here? Of course we’re interested in your results. Yes. Ok, so what was interesting thing? First thing i did was i went ahead and i set up a search on somebody’s name who you’ve actually had on your show. And i wanted to see how the search results would differ because you and i are now connected in a circle in google plus, right? We are, i thought, well, let’s, see how the search results would be impacted now i love google plus, because i don’t know the name of the circle that you have me in, which is probably annoying pseudo friend, radio host. But you don’t know the name of the circle that i have you in either, which is why i don’t and it’s glamorous prospect researcher, but but that’s inside. So i have you in a colleague circle that’s, very thoughtful, very nebulous. Okay, all right, so but we are connected on google plus. So? So who did you search? So who did you search? Scott koegler actually had on your show talking about google, plus another regular contributor yet, and i know that you’re actually connected to him on google plus because i actually was able to see that he was in one of your circle, so you might be a perfect example for me to test. So i logged into i went ahead and i logged in, and when i put his name into the search engine without any parentheses, so again, i was not searching for the phrase scott koegler so it really picked up anywhere where there was mention of god or koegler is that how you do exact phrases? You do parentheses. Okay, we’re goingto get around. Okay. Later on, we’re going talk about advanced searches. Well, okay. And, uh the search results came up at two million three hundred sixty thousand. Now again, it wasn’t as a phrase, but it turned out that there were twenty personal results. So this is how google categorizes thie search plus results there your personal result? How do you tell personal from non part from the general right? So the personal results cama with a little icon of a person’s head. Oh, that little bust i’ve seen that ok? Is that? Does that little bust your personal results? Meaning that somebody in your world that you’re connected teo in in google has has shared something about this. So it turned out that all those twenty personal results, in fact, were things all shared by you, that that would make sense because there were things like your facebook posts on your on your radio show page, your block posts, etcetera, anywhere that now i only kind of printed out for myself is page one of the results. But anyway, those those twenty results all had to do with the fact that you had shared it. Which makes sense. And i pretty much expected that those results would look like that because of the fact that i knew going into it. You were connected to god. Okay, okay. So, interestingly enough, though, when i when i toggle off now, there is a way to to see your search results, um, so that you can opt out three result. You can see the results as if you weren’t signed in. Is that what you mean? Ok, so how do you do that? Talking right next to the top of the search results page, you’ll see the icon will have a little person’s head and right next to it, it looks like more of a a little circle of globe, i think that’s what it’s supposed to represent the globe? So if you click on that, then it filters out away all of those personal search results, and when i did that, interestingly enough, none of those for top twenty results came back at all connected to you, which means i don’t i don’t rank it all. I’m right in the global world. I’m nothing so in the global world, yeah, and and and it’s even more depressing when i want to tell you about my search results on plan giving and prospect research, but anyway, we’ll get to that a moment so very interesting anyway, that that that would happen that way. So my takeaway on that is make sure that you have an opportunity, whether you’re you know, especially if you’re logged into google while you’re doing your searches that you go ahead and you toggle off the personal search results so that you might get more of those relevant results because don’t forget, when you’re doing as a prospect researcher let’s say, you’re you’re profiling an individual. This is an unknown individual, you’re not connected to them in any way you want. To be ableto have google bring back the most relevant results for you, and we’ll talk about how you can use, i think the advanced search page, which would be even more used as a prospect research so someone in an office they could accidentally be logged into their google plus are not a sort of locked into google plus, but just logged into google somewhere. Maybe they were just looking at a google doc or something like that some other property of google’s, and then they go into a search, they need to know that their search results are going to be personalized, and they might prefer to have the global depending on what the purpose of their searches but if they’re doing, if their office that they’re definitely gonna want to global, right do if they’re at home and their log into google and they’re looking for a fun restaurant or the best pizza place in the neighborhood to eat at, well, then they might want to incorporate their friends. Searchers are absolutely something like that because that now you’re changing the whole scope of why you’re doing the search. Okay, um, i’ll tell you that there’s a link. If you want to even share it on your block at some point, that gives a really good overview. Basic overview with some videos and so forth that google has put together and it’s at google dot com forward, slash inside, search forward, slash plus dot html, and i’ll send you that link, tony, that we can get that we’ll put that on the block. I’m sorry, we’ll put that on the facebook page. We’ll put on the show, i’ll shoot you that lincoln that would. That does provide a pretty decent, basic overview of what’s going on there. Now. One of the other things that i wanted to talk about was wade just talked about controlling what you see, but also i don’t think google is going to be you’re not going to be able to ignore google plus anymore. Andi, we’ll talk about this just for a minute. You mean, in terms of having your own account, we’re having our or non-profit having a non-profit having its own write what you would call a business pages, but why do okay? Because being now as a non-profit being found and the relevancy and so forth is going to come into play and it’s really kind of changing up the whole thing in terms of search engine optimization. So i think that no longer can people ignore google it’s just too powerful, too large and expected to grow the google plus, at least is expected to grow rather large, okay, and listeners can can listen to my interview with scott koegler excuse me, we talked about this several weeks ago about getting a google plus business page for your non-profit right, right, so that might be something they want to consider doing because they would want to, of course, be found and so forth, so that is definitely something not to be. Ignored so let’s talk about then what can you do with google ignoring the whole google search plus your world thing? Okay, why don’t you just introduce us? We have just about two minutes before break s so you just get a started and then we’ll come back, okay? Great. So what we’re going to do is talk about google advanced searches, which are extremely useful. How do you find out? How do you find the advanced search so well, i’ll talk about that in a moment exactly how to get to that. And then also setting up of google alerts could be their use oppcoll for a prospect, researchers so those are two aspects of google that you can use whether or not you are a google user on google, plus user or a google search plus your world use their again understanding how to utilize some of what we’ll call the you know what existed already old school, google style, and they would be very useful, awful okay, any prospect? Researcher? So the advanced search, how do we find that? So what you would do is that used to be easier to find, but at this point what? I would say is put your search term into into the google search box at the very and then you get your search results. He hit search, you get your search results at the very bottom of the page, you will see something that says google advanced search, and then i would suggest that you clicked through on that page and then that would bring back to you an entire new set of items that you could do a search on and filter your search results much further, so that they’re more relevant to what you’re looking for. Okay, so you find this on the bottom of the first results page that’s, correct cab called advanced search. I think, personally, i think that’s the easiest way to get results, and then we have just about a minute or so before no, we don’t really have much time for a break, so we’re going to take a break. And when we return, maria will return, and we’ll talk more about google advanced search tips. 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What’s your first suggestion, maria with advanced search. Okay, so right before break, we talked about going in and just doing a search on, say, a kn individual’s name. So if you were searching doing prospect research on a person, you could put their name into the regular search box. I would highly suggest that you, when you do that, you put quotations around the name. So if we were researching tony martignetti, we would want to make sure that it had quotes around the names so that google didn’t pick up any search where the word tony or martignetti showed up, right? And now earlier you said it was parentheses. I’m sorry. What did i just say right now? You just said quotes. It is, quote, quote. So so sprint okay princessa steak before. Okay? Yeah. Quotes. Okay. I was wondering because courts are standard, but i thought maybe quote, quote. Okay, definitely quotation. Mark. Okay, so you’ll put quotation marks. Around the person’s name and then that will let google know you’re looking for that as a search treyz um when you then get your first paycheck search results all the way at the bottom, you’ll click on advanced search and then let’s say there are just way too many search results for you to want to filter through this advanced search page will do that leg work for you. There is a box called search within a site or domain and here’s what i suggest that everybody does their doing there prospect research you want you’re interested, of course, in knowing where somebody is connected in the nonprofit world or perhaps, uh, connected to their alma mater. Perhaps they’ve given a lot of money there, so i would normally when i do my prospect research, i would put the person’s name in and have have it filtered, bound out by dot or ge and dot edu, so i’ll perform the advanced search twice, so i would look for tony martignetti with quote and i would search for it and tell google hit back to may the on ly search results that come back with a dot or go after it and then i would do the search again with a dot edu i would be interested in knowing if your name is showing up on the web sites of any non profit organizations, it could very well be that i’m going to come up, and i think this happens to me all the time when i’m doing research, i will find if your name is ana non-profits website is having given on as part of their annual report, so if you’re listed on an annual report and let’s say you are in the president’s circle and you’ve donated at a level of, you know, five million and above tony let’s go big here. I was thinking that was kind of small example, go ahead, so five million and above, i’m at least gonna have a pretty good idea that, yes, tony is definitely a major donor here, very close he’s not showing up in the ninety nine dollars and below level. So it’s not going to give you an exact a gift that tony has made, but at least it’s going to give you the range that tony has made other organizations, and i think that could be particularly useful as you’re thinking about your approach to a donor and how much to potentially asked them for excellent and also if you did, as you said, the dot edu, then you could might find where they’re on the water is right, and maybe not even then ferilli donating to the alma mater, but that could be a piece of the puzzle that you didn’t have you just didn’t know, and maybe you are somewhat activewear here alumni association. Or maybe you go back to our alma mater and you do some speaking there, etcetera, and and it has shown up on their website, so anything connected to a dot edu where your name shows up? Of course, your name is it’s, probably not all that common in the united states, but if you were searching, you know, john smith, then this maybe not even quite useful, because you’re you’re going to come up with an awful lot of john smith who have donated to their alma mater. Interactive, etcetera? No, if you search my name under dot gov and you’ll find my prison record well, you have to go to the right state. Let’s, go in the right state. But i’m not revealing which which state that is that in which i have served the time. Okay, that’s. Excellent. So what else is there under advanced search so you can search down by date. So let’s say you’ve already done some research. You had previously researched a prospect. Maybe it was a year or two ago when you’re really just going to refresh the data so you can actually have google search back the results to you in the past twenty four hours the past week, the past months, the past year. So let’s say you’re just looking to get the most recent search results on an individual’s name. You can have it filtered down. Now they’ve got other different types, filters and so forth. But i think that in terms of a ah prospect researcher and the type of information they’re looking for, a donor prospects relevancy in terms of having the most timely information on then also where also they showing up in the non-profit space. Yeah. And also you might know that there’s some reason that some one of your prospect is in the news. So then you want to do something just within the past. Twenty four hours. You don’t want all the back history. That’s, right? Right. So if it really is something that’s just hit the news recently, you khun definitely have google filter down those results to just the past twenty four hours, which is particularly useful. Can we talk about google alert? You know what? We just have one minute left, so i don’t i want to i want to have you come back, which you were going to do anyway, because you’re you’re on once a month. So why don’t we devote some more time to that than just the one minute that we have now? Is there anything else that you can recommend about going going greater into google? Well, i think that i would encourage people to go ahead and sign up for a google account or a google plus account on just to really pay attention to what their search results are ta going on and off that little icon of the head so that you can see how the search results are going to be impacted for you and as much as possible, use the advanced search page, i think it’s going really filter down and get the most relevant results that you’re going to need for your own research efforts. Maria semple is the prospect. Find her you’ll find her at the prospect finder. Dot com and maria will look forward to talking to you next month. Ok, great. Thanks, tony. Thank you very much. My thanks. Also, of course, to aria finger and eric sacristan and the organizer’s dahna next-gen charity conference next week. 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