Tony’s guests this week:
David Rosado, manager of community foundation insights at Foundation Center, and Kaberi Banerjee-Murthy, vice president of programs for Brooklyn Community Foundation.
There’s more at tonymartignetti.com
Tony’s guests this week:
David Rosado, manager of community foundation insights at Foundation Center, and Kaberi Banerjee-Murthy, vice president of programs for Brooklyn Community Foundation.
There’s more at tonymartignetti.com
Tony’s guests this week:
Tracy Kronzak, co-founder of BrightStep Partners, Robert Weiner, consultant, Marc Baizman, customer success director at SalesForce and Dahna Goldstein, director of philanthropy solutions for Altum.
Also, Amy Sample Ward, our social media contributor, CEO of NTEN, the Nonprofit Technology Network and co-author of “Social Change Anytime Everywhere.”
There’s more at tonymartignetti.com
Tony’s guests this week:
Terry Billie, assistant director of advancement at the Hudson River Museum
Wendy Nadel, executive director of Yonkers Partners in Education
Lisa Robb, executive director of the New York State Council on the Arts
Maria Semple, The Prospect Finder, consultant in prospect research and author of “Panning for Gold: Find Your Best Donor Prospects Now”
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Durney hello and welcome to the show, it’s tony martignetti non-profit radio big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent i’m your aptly named host. I’m excited to be back in the studio. It’s been a couple of weeks. Oh, do i hope you were with me last week? Of course i do. I’d be devastated to hear that you had missed last week’s show it was audit week, you’re hr audit. Karen bradunas is a human resources consultant. There may be things hiding in your hr closet that you need to bring out and dust off to avoid problems later on, we talked about your benefits plan immigration, paperwork and that’s not only for immigrant laborers and what to do if you get audited by federal or state regulators and your social media audit, scott koegler continued our discussion from the one hundred show on sites that help you assess how you’re doing in social media. Hoot suite marketsmart radiant six on a couple of others scott is the editor of non-profit technology news on our regular tech contributor this week, working with your small organization board what’s special about working with small shop boards we’ll talk about setting expectations recruiting, training fund-raising and assessing your boards capabilities my guests from fund-raising day this past june are terry billy from the hudson river museum, wendy no adele from yonkers, partners in education and lisa rob, executive director of the new york council on the arts also today, see the smart cr m system, constituent relationship management you’ve got constituents, employees, donors, volunteers, vendors, clients how do you manage your relationships with them and what’s the impact on your prospect management? Maria simple will be with me, she’s, the prospect finder and our prospect research contributor between the guests on tony’s take to my block this week charity corporatization reduction three i’ve talked about this before the blurring of the line between corporations and charities. I’ve got a couple of new data points they’re on my block and i’ll talk about them on tony’s, take two use non-profit radio the hashtag to join the conversation on twitter hashtag non-profit radio right now we take a break and when we return all intro my pre recorded interview from fund-raising day on working with your small organization board, stay with us e-giving didn’t think dick tooting good ending things you’re listening to the talking alternative network. Getting anything. Dahna cubine joined the metaphysical center of new jersey and the association for hyre. Awareness for two exciting events this fall live just minutes from new york city. 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Number ten, ten a m on talking alternative dot com. You’re listening to the talking alternative network. Dahna hi there, and welcome back. I want to send some live listener love got listeners newport, north carolina. I miss you, north carolina. I own a home there, and i haven’t been there in a few months, but i’ll be going back next month. Missing north carolina st louis, missouri live listener love out to st louis right now. We have pre recorded interview from fund-raising day here in new york city this past june on working with your small organization board. Welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio coverage of fund-raising day conference two thousand twelve in new york city were in midtown manhattan at the marriott marquis hotel on the subject we’re talking about right now is working with your board. My guests are terry billy, assistant director of advancement at the hudson river museum. Wendy adele, executive director of yonkers partners in education, and lisa rob, executive director, the new york council on the arts ladies welcome. Thank you. Thank you. You have all three of you and thank you for taking time on a busy conference day right before lunch on we’re going to get youto lunch. Don’t worry, you won’t be late for lunch. Your subject is working with, uh, boards of small organizations. Lisa, why are boards of small organizations different than boards of larger organizations? Well, normally boards at large organizations that do a fair amount of fund-raising it’s a given and planning and very kind of instrumental involvement with the board, but less so on a volunteer basis or operational basis. Smaller organizations tend to have closer relationships to boards in terms of really what they’re doing for you and it’s also more difficult for them than at large organizations to get some of those things done. So you sometimes encounter at a good small, a good board in a small organization, tremendous work ethics and tremendous alignment with the mission because it is more of a struggle to get to some of the resource is that the larger organization board sort of inherently have. Wendy, why don’t you just set some context? Explain what youngers, partners and education is about what’s your work. We are a public education fund that supports the yonkers public school district for an independent organization that works to increase the number of students in yonkers who graduate from high school and completed postsecondary program. Okay, and now terry what’s, the specific mission of the hudson river museum, the hudson river museum is a history, science and art museum, providing opportunities to brought in the artistic and cultural experiences for people in the hudson river region. Okay, lisa wanted to explain what your work is with counsel in the arts. I’m the new york state counts on the arts is an agency of new york state government, and we work for the governor and receive our money through the budget. Process from the budget enacted every year by the governor and legislature. And we distribute thirty five million dollars of public funds to about fifteen hundred organizations, of which eighty percent have budgets of under seven hundred thousand small organizations. Tony let’s, dispel a myth that you have to be with just a few minutes ago. Boards of small organizations are not necessarily small board know they can range anywhere from thirty five to seventeen or fifteen, usually not less than that. And do we find the same type of diversity on a small organization board that will find in a larger organization board? Yes and no. Sometimes you may have a larger organization may have more corporate people that have connections to larger, mainstream corporations. Then you may have some people that have more connections to private foundations community board sent have a lot more community leaders, people who are connected politically, people who have businesses in the area on dh. Then, of course, you do have people that live in the area that may work for a corporation in a, you know, another capacity. And you also may have some folks that are government based. Okay, so you’ll have that local commitment, as lisa was describing, right? You have a little bit more local commitment. You’re your group may live in the area where your organization is, where a larger organization your your trustees may live elsewhere, right? So so so why don’t we stay with that, terry? What? How can we leverage that? That local nature of the board? Well, you’re trying to first off people become members of your board because they’re interested in what you do, and they want to help it serve your community, the community that they live in. So the urge to be part of something bigger than they are is one of the things that you want to work on. And so then you just need to work and find out what their capacities are, who their contacts are and see whether where their strengths are, too. Have them help you. Okay, twenty let’s start with sort of the chronology of board members life cycle, uh, recruitment. What? What are the challenges and that a small organization faces in recruiting successful boardmember we liked it really? Just talk from how we do it in my organization, but we typically try to identify specific areas of need that we have on our board and some of the gaps of skillsets connections, how people are connected on and we try teo, identify people who can fill those gaps on the board. Sure, and typically, the way we recruit them is through personal relationships. Typically somebody on our board might know of somebody or i might have met somebody, or in some cases, people have even approached us with an interest in the work that we d’oh. And now, since you are a local organization, you’re drawing from a smaller pool of potential talent. That’s correct, but you have the advantage of it being local and again, the commitment that at least talked about that’s. Correct? Okay, okay. Back-up lisa, special challenges of other special challenges around recruitment of boards for small charities that we should talk about. Well, i think one of the things we talked about in our workshop earlier, wass the wendy spoke to it. Well, that sort of a lining, the at a small local level. You may you want to make sure you know really what you want their role to be because they really is a commitment level. And interest level that is often not there. In the larger organizations. People may actually want to do tacit work for you. They may want to make real connections in real time for you, it’s, really not a so, you know, they’re not doing it for source social reasons. So i think, a lining that, you know, the individual in what they want to contribute, and then what the organization needs is even more interesting with smaller organizations. Because there’s more opportunity, i think, to really work with the boards one on one with real goals, that they want it, you know, complete with you, because you’re a small organization, you can actually do that. The goal isn’t a, you know, twenty five million dollars capital campaign, it’s a. You know of of two hundred fifty thousand dollars scholarship campaign, where numbers that become more achievable. So i think that is a challenge. Talking alternative radio twenty four hours a day. 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The people of creation nation listened to norah simpson’s creation nation. Fridays at twelve noon eastern on talking alternative dot com. Hey, all you crazy listeners looking to boost your business, why not advertise on talking alternative with very reasonable rates? Interested simply email at info at talking alternative dot com. I’ve had a guest on not too long ago. Melanie schnoll begun. Her work is with very ultra high net worth clients in the bank. I apologize. Either j p morgan or morgan stanley. Apologies, melanie. But her her one of the point that she made was that very wealthy people shouldn’t be ignored by small organizations. Potential boardmember because it could be bigger. They could be bigger players on a smaller board, of course. Plus you want their expertise, but they could be very interested in a small charity. Good when we actually have a few board members who have been on major major boards, like in new york city. Um who i think have a more gratifying experience. Kind of working on the more local level, rolling up their sleeves, having a direct impact on a cause rather than sitting on a fancy board and going tio three or four meetings a year and about feeling expected to write a check and doing nothing. So i think, that’s, that that’s really the just the distinction, right? Same thing here. My organization has a wide variety of folks in both wealthy and not so wealthy. But people who were really involved and and the smaller organization that’s that’s the reason why they become a member of the of the of the board is to get involved because they have a passion. So, terry, since fund-raising is so important for board members, how do we set the appropriate level of e-giving four boards at small organizations what’s your place there? Some places just give one level of giving for everyone saying, okay, everyone needs to give five thousand dollars or three thousand dollars or ten thousand dollars or whatever it is, but it has to relate to the size of the board’s budget. So for example, my organization does not have a specific geever get, but we expect everyone to participate in the annual fund everyone to give to the gala in some way, shape or form and everyone to give an additional gift of some sort. So you may have some folks that can give twenty five thousand dollars to the gala and then ten thousand to the annual fund and then an additional gift from their private foundation and then other people will, through their company or through there, and a combination of company and the personal money. Give five thousand to the gala, you know, one thousand to the annual fund and, you know, some other money, so it has to be a willingness to accept so it’s a willingness to accept what they khun dio right? Because it’s their capacity so it’s about having a conversation with the boardmember when they’re coming on to understand, to have them understand that there is a responsibility to see support the organization, and then to talk about what level that they’re comfortable giving it. So is that how you assess their capacity? And you’re just really you need to have a conversation what they’re comfortable with, right? Well, i mean, you’ve done the research, you’ve done the research before you brought him in as a trustee to kind of know what they’re pass it e issue done the the prospect research to say, ok, well, this person, you know, has given here there and what have you so you kind of have an idea of what they’re financial level is so then it’s a matter of having a careful conversation with them too say, you know, what is it that you feel comfortable with? And it is, of course. It’s important to set those expectations at the recruitment stage, right. Exactly together. Normally written down. I mean, this is not it’s not uncommon to have written documents that say your contribution will be two hundred fifty dollars. You know that that’s? Not an uncommon. Okay, where you’ll be expected to go to an event or you’ll be expected to cultivate whatever. It’s not uncommon to have those things even written down. It’s. Not like these air secret or uncomfortable conversations. You know, they’re just that’s just part of the business relationship. Most bored people understand they will be a set of contributions they have to make some of which include financial time. Whatever would you would you go so far as to recommend that they be a document that the boardmember signs? Yes. In most cases, there is a is a a a a board agreement. Okay, because liability means you normal. Ok, wendy, partners in education, we don’t have a written agreement, but we haven’t explicit verbal commitment that in most cases has been honored without a problem. Okay, it is not in a contract. All right. How about communications with with a small organization board is that? Is it any i’m guessing easier because most of the people are local? Terry, go ahead. Well, we my ceo communicates with the board on a regular basis. Individually, we have meetings every month, so every other, every was every other know every other month is an executive board meeting. And every other month on the other side is our full board meeting. And then we do not have a board meeting in august. So there’s that then there’s also committee. So we have committees, there’s, a finance committee and development committee, a program committee and nomine nominating committee. And so they usually meet every other month or every two months, three months or something like that. And then we all like i communicate with staff with the board members that i’m working with for a specific project or the, you know, different staff would work directly with the boardmember so it’s, more informal words again, a larger organization with larger, more high level board members, you may not have as much communication access access to them and communication through all your staff with them. It may just be a point to point from your ceo to the board or maybe your ceo, your cfo and your development person, the only people that talk to your board when they were going to say something on communicating for us. I’ve really have kind of individual relationships that the board members. And for the most part, i’d say seventy five percent of them. I have. I’m in communication with on a very regular basis, and you’re the executive director. S, right. Ok, which is, i guess. They’re more accessible to the charity. Also, the board members make themselves more accessible than a larger organization might find. Well, i find ways email, and i mean, i think communication is really easy, you know, whether wherever you live, you could just shoot and email and get a response, but because the board’s pretty active everybody’s working on something so there’s always i mean, it’s not the communication is not for the purpose. So much of updating as it is to kind of do the work, and we work together as you know, collaboratively on you, no specific issues and projects that puts me into direct communication with the board members on a fairly regular basis. So what about switching topics? Labbate hyre assessing the capacity of your board in different capability, different areas, maybe it’s fund-raising maybe it’s love assessing whether you have gaps in expertise? What what’s important? I think, wendy, we’ve all talked about nominating committee’s and what we do, we’re in all the organizations i’ve worked for is the nominating committee is one of the most important committees on any board or the nominating people, and we we do it very almost like database oriented. You know, here the five or six strands of talent that we need, you know, social talent, business, talent, political talent, you know what, marketing, whatever it is, you know, here’s the slots where that is filled now, here’s, what? We’re going to have gaps, we spend a lot of time looking at the term limits, and when people are coming up for renewal too, you know, because gaps will then because you really want to call today, you know, minimally, a year in advance, you want to start your cultivation efforts because you make no assumptions and and also things come up for people, you know, they were interested last year, but this year someone is ill in their family, they’ve gotten a promotion, they’re moving, etcetera, so the nominating committee is very important and to be very strategic about on the goals. I mean, you could have a goal that you have celebrities that’s fine, but, you know, you have to just make sure it’s all you’ve gotten what’s it called a pipeline, you know? So you’re constantly putting names into that pipeline, and your board is very active in that process. Well, they are on their on the nominee they are, the nominating committee rarely includes people from staff in anything other than, like a, you know, did that’s really very much the work of a board there also engaging the full board. Oh, christ, as they identify needs. Oh, you know that it’s talked about usually nominating and issues of bored recruitment are are usually part of certain board meetings. You know, it’ll come up as an agenda item and then there’s the nominating committee, which has, like, you were saying this most of the time, i talked to our board members when i was at pelham art center because they were working board. Wendy so a lot of the communication had to do a task oriented project management, things you were doing together, military. Anything you want to know about assessing the capacity of the board. Okay, what about board training? Any any differences in when a new boardmember comes on any differences that you’ve identified you, emmanuelle for smaller organizations that okay, please go ahead. We have aboard manual that we’ve been evolving our organization’s not quite five years old yet sweeping, evolving that and new board members that come on, get an orientation. They are given emmanuel. And each year we, you know, have ah, two three hour orientation for our new members and that’s how we train them. And there is no big formal training program but it’s more of an orientation to the organization. Ok? And most of them have been to something that we, you know, most of them know us and not where they joined the board. Someone in the other workshop had an interesting idea. She spoke about on their board. They actually had, like, a, you know, in high school or college, the key club where you came in new and someone was aligned to you. They had a senior boardmember each new boardmember that came on, there was a relationship. They were the mentor to that new boardmember i thought that was a really good idea. I thought that was a great idea. What we do is we have a retreat every year once a year. It’s ah, saturday afternoon. And so we are doing both role playing or discussions talking about topics that are of interest, reviewing our strategic plan. So last year at our board retreat, we went through some role playing in how tio make an ask good. Okay, excellent. That kind of leads me to something interesting. I think i hope hyre what about board members who aren’t comfortable asking directly, but maybe can be engaged in other activities around fund-raising why did you continue, terry? Well, some people are very they they feel uncomfortable asking their friends, their family or going to to even business colleagues to set up a meeting for something. Um, and so you need to find different ways for them to to support whether they can host a party of their friends at their home. We’ve done that. Where then you have your museum staff and their friends. They’re so the museum staff could do the cultivation because we’re that’s what we do. S o or you can have them come with you on a site, is it with a funder or a lunch? And they just need to be the intro person and the ask and the program description and all of that comes from the staff people, so they are observing their participating in some way, but they’re also they’re shadowing. They’re learning through it by going through this, you know, site visit or you? Know, observing the ask at a cocktail party or what have you do you find that they become the ones who are reluctant in the beginning? Tio actually ask become more comfortable. Have you seen that? Well, a little bit, yeah, i mean that’s the goal and sometimes it may take a little longer depends on everyone’s personalities different and some people are more comfortable in the limelight and others are not. So you have to kind of work with what they’re willing to do, what their comfort level is and you can’t force someone into something that i want dio that will be a disaster. Forget wendy’s. I don’t think i think something terry set is is really key, and that is, you know, in addition to asking people for money equally is important is is just opening up doors, making introductions and that’s i mean, even for people that don’t like to ask for money making introductions is really important because, you know, particularly if you really believe in the mission of the organization, the organization khun sell itself that’s themselves, that pipeline that lisa mention constantly introducing new people. I know we have a boardmember and you know, one of things i like to do is just kind of focus when i have my board members do. And we have one boardmember who has some really key foundation contacts and his what i asked him to do every years you get me into two foundations and that’s it that’s it that’s your job and that’s huge. That could be hundreds of thousands of dollars. So anything you want and what i do think that friendraising and fund-raising are all part of that same resource development. And as long as you can make sure there’s enough prongs and what you think of resource development there’s no, boardmember that can’t help you if we have to leave it there, ladies. Thank you very much, wendy. Tell you. Thank you. Lisa. Rob is executive director of the new york council on the arts. Wendy liddell. Adele is executive director of yonkers partners and education. And terry billy is assistant director for advancement at the hudson river museum. Ladies, thank you very much. Thank you. 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You’re listening to tony martignetti non-profit radio big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent. That live listener loved that i sent to vietnam is joined by love going out to korea, and if you’re listening, if in a foreign country i’d love for you. Teo, tell us what city you’re in because our software doesn’t tell us so you could tell me on the linked in group or the facebook page or tweet me. Let me know what cities you’re in vietnam and korea tony’s take to roughly thirty two minutes into the hour. My block this week is charity corporatization re ducks three i’ve blocked this before, as you can tell from the title, and i’m still concerned about blurring lines between charities and corporations. More cities, for instance, are collecting what they call pilots payments in lieu of taxes from charities or they’re considering getting these payments from charities pittsburgh in memphis for most recently and there’s in my block there’s a link to a chronicle of philanthropy article talks about pittsburgh and memphis and a number of other cities that are either collecting those or looking at it. Also, we have corporations starting to look like charity’s, taking some in some of those charity attributes there’s the b corp in california. That’s ah, a form of organisation be corp. For an organization that gives some public benefit as well as having a profit motive. And in a lot of states there are low profit, limited liability corporations also called l three c’s on dh does i put this together with some other data points and just concerns me that the charity start to look like corporations and start getting treated like corporations in terms of those taxes. On that corporations start to look like charities. It’s on my block. The name of the post is charity corporatization re ducks three. My block is tony martignetti dot com. And that is tony’s take two for friday, the tenth of august thirty fourth show of the year. Joining me now, as she does once a month, is maria simple. Maria is the prospect finder she’s, an experienced trainer and speaker on prospect research. Her website is the prospect finder dot com. Her book is panning for gold. Find your best donor prospects now with an exclamation mark at the end. And she is at maria simple a si m pl e on twitter. Maria, welcome back. Hi there, tony. How are you today? I’m terrific. Very well, good to have you back. Thank you. We’re talking today about c r m constituent relationship management. Why is this important? Well, you know, it’s very important for non-profits to track relationships that they have especially fund-raising purposes, in my opinion, you know, i’m talking more about fund-raising side there as a prospect researcher that you want to be able to see, you know, where our people interconnected you want to be ableto have a certain data point certainly noted in a system that’s going to be able to capture the relevant points of information that are important for your organization and a broader cr m really goes beyond even the donor database. It would be able to track relationships that you have with volunteers with perhaps people that are coming in, uh, to use your organization’s services on a daily basis so it can give you a really broad picture. And, you know, i any any time you can have any type of a tool that shows sort of relationship management for a mapping tool, you know, i’m all for that, okay? And you and i have talked about too, that prospects don’t only come from donors and fund-raising quote fund-raising prospects. But could be employees or vendor’s vendors to the organization or consultants. Right? Right, right. So these are all the types of relationships that you can manage in a system, you know, ideally, you know, a picture scenario where you are a ah non-profit executive at a small commit sides non-profit and you get a phone call and somebody says, you know, hi, this is, you know, tony martignetti i’m looking to talk to you a little bit more and expand on our last conversation. If it’s me calling, you probably should hang up, but it’s using some other example? Yes. You know, you would want to be able to instantly trying to recall well, gee, what? Tony and i last talk about what were the talking points? You know what? What was his area of interest? Right? So ideally, if you’re, you know, at your computer, will you be able to just, you know, put tony’s name in there and pull up some sort of a data sheet on tony said that you’d be able to track what what were our last conversations? And, of course, you know, this is really important. There’s a lot of turnover right at non-profits so, you know, you want to be able to have that that that long term relationship tracked a donor doesn’t care, right? They don’t care that there’s while they developed relationships with key personnel at the non-profit but in terms of the overall longevity and their commitment to that non-profit organization, whomever that executive director development director is, um, he’s probably not as important as the overarching mission and trying to make sure that that there’s that continuity that people will continue to understand what that donor’s intent is what donors specific interest are. Yeah, it becomes quite embarrassing to say, you know, someone who’s new in the position, you know? I don’t i don’t really know what what conversations were before me, you know, it all just needs to be documented. You’re right for the institutional knowledge and continuity, yeah, absolutely, really critical and donorsearch budget organizations are really just using some sort of a spreadsheet right now to manage this, you know, there are systems out there that are fabulous, and they really range in price. Do you want me to talk about a particular guide that can that can help them kind of identify this. And i can actually put some information on on your paige is well about it. Yeah, in just a moment. Let me just get to one of the survey questions that we had about what? What systems people are using now to manage constituent data. Fifty percent of using razor’s edge. And about seventeen percent are using donor perfect and about a third of using other other software systems. But nobody said one of the choices was it’s on paper or in our heads. And so, thankfully, nobody nobody said that. And nobody said excel spreadsheets. Good thing. So all right, so people are past the index cards, at least. Listeners. Well, this is sophisticated audience, so you’re not going to get your average executive director ceo fundraiser listening to this is a sophisticated show, so the sample is skewed. So we’ll presume that there are some who would say it’s on paper in our heads, but they’re not our listeners. They could be were welcomed them, because then after today’s show, they could choose a different answer. Find value. This’s a that’s. Right? Of course. S oh, please. Why don’t you, uh you have an idea if we had just a couple minutes before break, you have ah, a place where people can sort of compare software, is that what you have? Yeah, absolutely. June twenty eleven idealware dot org’s, uh, terrific website for all types of things having to do with technologies for non-profits they came out with a free downloadable guide that’s called the consumer’s guide to low cost donor-centric and they reviewed lots of systems, and then they go into in depth and review sort of their top ten systems and across all kinds of different, uh, data points, you know, they’re reviewing them, of course, for price. And by the way, all assistance they reviewed technically felling under the four thousand dollars range. Okay, so these are not going to be like razors edge is not going to included, right? Razor’s edge is a very high entry cost. Yeah, so i thought, well, with, you know, your your listener audience of the smaller to midsize non-profit that some of their recommendations might actually fit very well for the non-profits they’re looking at, you know, how well can you manage the donor information? The reporting, tracking events, some of the systems khun do that? Well, yeah, because event event attendees that’s another constituency, right? That’s, right? They might attend an event, but they’re not. They’re not donors in the strict out of pocket sense without any other, any participation. So event attendees another important constituency that’s, right? And they are also some of the systems will do male merging very well. Others are not as great at it. Email. How well can the system email out or play? Well with an outside system, for example, i know that there are certain databases that played very well with donorsearch software, like tapestry in constant contact or constant contact in sales force. Dot com they are two systems that integrate very well together. So integration actually is another data point that they looked at. So, you know, i recommend everybody take a look at that particular guide because it’s free it’s downloadable um and idealware is actually having ah, replay on their webinar that they have on that particular topic as well. And i happen to have received an email. Just tweak that they’re having a sale on their recorded webinars. So for this month, only august it appears that they are nine dollars to download the past recorded webinar. Okay, but and the the survey sounds like sort of a consumer reports of of c r e m now does idealware this is important to know his idealware create today of their own software package or now that they’re not in that business there just a value. They’re reviewing it, right? They will value you don’t. Okay, so we’ll put the idealware dot com. But what? What we put oh, dot org’s. Thank you. But why don’t we put the link to the this document? Go on the facebook page and in the linked in group? Sure, i can do that. Okay. Thank you, maria. You’re always very good. And maria is maria doesn’t only say she’s going to do it actually doesn’t. So the show ends at two p m eastern. I would expect now putting round spot. No, but i’ll just say very quickly. Maria will have the stuff up. I’ll just leave it there. She always does. You always. You always have been. Um okay. What? You had a conversation with a ceo of, of of of a newer, newer offering in this field right recently? Well, actually. That’s what prompted me to kind of take a look at their whole cr m area? There’s there’s a very new, interesting software out there. And it’s called unify o you and i f y o dot com. And by the way, it works best on google chrome. So i know that was one of the questions that i made sure that we are listeners answering on since you’re right, but since you just mentioned it, let sze get that question out. It was which internet browser or using it work fifty percent explorer. Fifty percent are chrome, and then a handful of people, i guess, have to and the about a third of those said fire fox so a third of the yeah, about a third of the half what the hell am i talking? About? Fifty percent said explorer, fifty percent said chrome and about seventeen percent said firefox. So obviously summer using multiple systems. That’s what i was trying to convey in the past minute and a half. Okay, so way. Just have a minute before break. So say a little bit more and then we’ll come back. Okay? Sure. So what it is is a technically they call it a browser extension, and if you go to their website, they have a really cool little video. And i can post, uh, on your page is, well, a link to a specific video that talks about how confused for prospect research and that’s what really caught my attention, but basically what they say is that it bridges the gap between you and your c r m so and we’ll give you a little bit more information on that. But it really completes your customer profiles toe all of your cloud applications, so it integrates with several systems already sales force dot com high rise, which is another cr m system that i’m actually not as familiar with, um, and so, since sales force dotcom does have a non-profit maria, we have to take a break hold. That thought you were just saying, since salesforce dot com does have a non-profit when we return, we’ll let you finish that sentence. Stay with us. Talking. Hi, this is nancy taito from speaks been radio speaks been radio is an exploration of the world of communication, how it happens in how to make it better, because the quality of your communication has a direct impact on the quality of your life. Tune in monday’s at two pm on talking alternative dot com, where i’ll be interviewing experts from business, academia, the arts and new thought join me mondays at two p m and get all your communications questions answered on speaks been radio. 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Yeah, i believe it is so what’s kind of cool about it is, you know, it had caught my attention was the fact that if i’m assuming now that the sales force dot com tool that non-profits air using would indeed integrate with unify oh, so if we’ve got any sales forthe users out there, i’d love some feedback. You know, through my page or tony’s page to see if it’s working well for you, but basically once you load this unify o icon up into your tool bar so let’s say then you are looking at somebody’s profile in sales force dot com you can click on the little unify. Oh, uh, icon and it will show you other other interactions that have happened with that person, so if that person has been tweeting about your organization or any email communications that have happened, you can manually put in specific notes about a person, so i’m thinking for a really small to midsize non-profit this could be a very interesting solution. Now, this is brand new. Tony okay, yeah, this is brand new, this is you launched may twenty twelve um, i had an opportunity to skype twice with the ceo of this company in recent weeks so i could get a better handle on understanding it and they love feedback. So, maria, it sze pulling in the whole web when you when you identify somebody that you’re you’re interested in? Yeah, well, it integrates best with certain platforms, but yeah, i mean, if you’re browsing and google chrome, so i was right, it has to be it only works in google chrome so far right far only google chrome, but they are looking to develop it for the other platforms as well. And, you know, i just think, it’s something really need to take a look at if if any of our listeners have an opportunity to do so and provide some feedback, they hadn’t created this. For the not non-profit sector originally, so to know that there could be this applique ability because you can have teams of people so let’s say you’ve got the executive director, the development director, maybe a program director and maybe a couple of board members be considered a team. All this data can be shared. So if you and i are on a team, tony and i want to try and figure out what? When were the last communications, it would pull an information about your last email communications okay, and are you testing this unify? Oh, maria, you know, i’ve been playing around with it a little bit, but i don’t have sales force dot com loaded here so that’s, why? I’d love to know somebody who does have it to see how that how, how that could integrate but it pulled in lengthen dad a twitter feed and i think it’s gonna have a lot of applicability it’s free right now, and it won’t stay free forever, so there will be a fee attached to this at some point. But i’ve been told by the ceo they’re going to keep it very affordable for the nonprofit sector. More broadly, when you’re looking at your your cr m software it’s important to know what, what your goals are from your from your system. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, you know, is it’s a system that is only going to be turning out donorsearch ports is this system, as i mentioned earlier, that might have to do mail merges and email marketing? Um, is this a system that is going to be able to help you track, um, interactions, right with those air critical for prospect freak prospect research? Oh, absolutely, absolutely. I mean, you think about all the points on the continuum on the development cycle. So you’ve got the prospect identification and research think about how will it play into cultivation? Solicitation the thank you, the follow-up and the stewardship i c c r m being invaluable not only for me, it’s, a prospect researcher, but certainly in stewarding donor forward. So it should have really flexibility to be able to provide additional notes. I love cloud based systems personally and don’t put me in george in jail. Now, i think the audience knows club. I think scott and i have talked about cloudgood other other other guests have, okay? I think people should know the cloud by now, i’m clear to talk. Wait, we just have about a minute and a half, though. Okay? So any cloud based system, for example, will enable any board members that you give access to the system, say they are very active and cultivating and solicited, soliciting people and meeting with people outside the office. Then they can certainly go ahead and type in notes about those particular meetings. And that again for that continuity is very, very important. Maria simple is the prospect finder. Her book is panning for gold. Find your best donor prospects now. And her website is the prospect finder dot com maria. Such a pleasure. Thanks very much. Thanks. Always tony on dh something occurred to me as i was talking to maria, you know, wanna make sure that i’m not sounding hypocritical because i blogged and talked about on tony’s take two. My concern about charities being too much like corporations. And now here we are talking about with marie about salesforce, dot com and unify. Oh, a system that wasn’t developed for charities was developed for companies. I do think there are good practices, great practices. In the in the for-profit corporation sector that charity’s can learn from and vice versa. I think corporations could soften themselves in some ways and learn a lot from charities. It’s the it’s, the so learning from each other, that’s to me, that’s distinct from starting to, um b organized by be regulated by by the other by state and federal overseers as one that you’re really not as as as b corp to start to look like r l three sees the limit for-profit limited liability corporations, i think start toe look at so that’s the start to look like charities that’s the distinction for me between what maria and i were talking about when i blogged about this week my thanks, tio terry, billy, wendy nadella, lisa, rob, of course, and the organizer’s of fund-raising day twenty twelve as well as maria next week grow your grassroots. Michael o’brien is a consultant and a grassroots organizer. Why this might be good for your organization and how do you get started? We’re talking about bringing new people to your cause and how to keep them excited about your work through the grassroots. Also, scott koegler returns. 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Welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent i’m your aptly named host last week, and i hope you were with me. It was so you want to be a consultant. Hank goldstein, author of so you want to be a consultant and a partner at the orem group, offered insight into the ups and downs the ins and outs of consulting to non-profits when should you start thinking about consulting? What personality type does it take? And how much should you charge? Also, last week next-gen charity two thousand eleven conference co founder jonah helper was with me to talk about this year’s conference on november seventeenth and eighteenth in new york city on a reminder that my show is a media sponsor of next-gen charity will be there doing interviews of speakers in mid november this week. Nine weeks and a wake up four essentials for year end fund-raising mary allison, principal with oneaccord helps you out in the final stretch toward year end, she and i will talk about segmenting and messaging, social media and other online strategies, direct mail and getting volunteers to pitch in all her ideas could be executed quickly to get you the help you need before december thirty first and our regular tech contributor, scott koegler, will be with me. The editor of non-profit technology news. He and i are going to talk about your mobile website. Do you need one? Should you have one? How do you develop one? And what should you include to make yours spiffy and sophisticated between the guests? Tony’s take to my block post this week. Let’s help kelly for pete’s sake. I’m using my blogged this week to answer a common question. Asked by small shop fundraisers, we’re live tweeting the show this week. Use hashtag non-profit radio to join the conversation with us on twitter. Right now, we take a break, and after the break, i’ll be joined by mary allison nine weeks and wake up four essentials for year end fund-raising so stay with me. You’re listening to the talking alternative network. Are you suffering from aches and pains? Has traditional medicine let you down? Are you tired of taking toxic medications, then come to the double diamond wellness center and learn how our natural methods can help you to hell? Call us now at to one to seven to one eight, one eight three that’s to one to seven to one eight one eight three or find us on the web at www dot double diamond wellness dot com way. Look forward to serving you. Is your marriage in trouble? Are you considering divorce? Hello, i’m lawrence bloom, a family law attorney in new york and new jersey. No one is happier than the day their divorce is final. My firm can help you. We take the nasty out of the divorce process and make people happy. Police crawl are said to want to nine, six four three five zero two for a free consultation. That’s lawrence h bloom two one two, nine, six, four, three five zero two. We make people happy. Hey, are you crazy listeners looking to boost your business? Why not advertise on talking alternative with very reasonable rates? Interested simply email at info at talking alternative dot com. Welcome back to the show. I’m joined now by mary allison. Mary is a partner with oneaccord she has over twenty five years of senior executive leadership and organizational development experience in the non profit and corporate sectors she’s with us from washington state, and i’m very pleased that her expertise on year end fund-raising brings her to the show. Mary allison, welcome pleasure to have you thank you for joining us from washington state. You bad? Glad to be here. So mary want to think about things that people can do in the next nine weeks and a day before december thirty first, but even though there is a short time left, they still shouldn’t be putting out the same message to everybody. Is that right? Natural that’s, right? Absolutely. You need to tailor a plan of engagement for each of your segments that you’re that you’re talking with and what what are those different segments? How should you look at your constituents? Well, it’s important to know that one size does not fit all. So when you’re talking about your segments, you’re looking really to engage the prospects for the first time givers, those given events, those that are major donors and so on. Each each non-profit has its own database, and they need to be really looking intentionally with who’s in there and how to reach those people at this year in time, because we know that the dear friend letters just don’t do well, that’s, exactly right there, really? Five key to success in the urine strategy. Each of your segment seemed to taylor. You’re looking your materials. Taylor. Your message, taylor. The invitation to give and absolutely taylor the follow-up. You know you need to be thinking about how your donor as well as need be thinking about tailoring the timing, be conscious of the calendar and be intentional with your activity as it relates to that calendar. All right, let’s, look at the different segments in this first we’re going to looking at four essentials, you’re just naming five things that go along with the segmenting and the messaging to those segments, but so just not to confuse people were going to be talking about four essentials. Excuse me overall for your end fund-raising the prospects you mentioned first prospects what? Uh, let’s see? Well, let’s, identify that for people. What do you mean by prospects? First? Those air people that have some interests or alignment with your mission is often that you’ve perhaps purchase a list from a list provider and that you know that they have some affinity to the work that you want to do, and you want to invite them to get to know you better and those for those folks. You want to have a really well prepared case of why baizman teo engage with your organization? Why it makes sense in their life. So it’s really a get to know you and in a welcoming inn and would you approach them with this message? Bye u s mail or e mail? Or or how? Yeah, that’s a great question, tony, in this day and age there’s so many ways to connect every constituency are as using all of the ways of social media and snail mail in different ways, and you’ve really got to be aware of how people want to engage. And right now, many of your long time of donors are givers have been really been using male in the lodge launch fashion, but the female is also really becoming very, very important for our younger givers, and we need to be able teo, meet them where they are and invite them in. But so what are we going to do with this? This pool of prospects as we go down the spectrum from prospects and first time givers and event givers, etcetera, but for the prospects, how do we know how they want to be engaged? They’re just prospects. Well, that’s, your list providers could help you with that knowing where these folks are wanting to be met and there’s also, you know, multiple studies out there right now, you’ve really got to be hitting your creating your public awareness on the motor on many, many levels right now, you’ve really got to the had the capacity to show up where where your donors are are also been engaging, and that means being on the email means being in social media, having a facebook page utilizing your length in it is a lot of work, but it really has to happen because that’s, where we’re all using multiple channels to do our research tto learn about organizations in to determine if we want to engage, all right, and we know that your print and your online should be consistent. We’re going to talk about that shortly when we after we talked about the different segments of constituents, but you mentioned that for approaching prospects need to have your case. Does that mean you have to have ah, four color printed piece that lines that outlines? Why someone who’s a prospect should become a donor? Well, you absolutely have to have meaning. You need to be able to relate to tell. Tell your story in a way, and depending on the organization again, you need to tailor that message as it makes. Sense to who your organization is now, their organizations out there that are very large not-for-profits that absolutely conduce very big and showy pieces, but there are so many other small not-for-profits doing great work where a big showpiece does not make sense to their mission or to their budget still need to do an intentional piece that speaks from the heart, and that really showcases the investment. The return on the investment that donor will make to the mission of that organization and that could be a single letter was just a wonderful picture of either the population that you’re serving or whatever your mission is, but it needs to be warm and inviting and appropriate, and we always want to keep in mind that the audience for for this show is small and midsize non-profit so i appreciate the advice for what small shops khun do and how just a heartfelt message can be very, very meaningful does this doesn’t have to be a four color, you know, blow out brochure, absolutely, and infirmity not-for-profits their donors would be questioning why, where they would have such a showy piece if they are really working from a mission based. Very small financial base. They’re going. They’re going to want to see that. That there, that the enough for-profit are using those dollars appropriately, making sense in trimming costs, wherever they can marry. We’re going to take a break, and when, when we returned, you and i will keep talking about these different prospect pools, our constituent pools, i should say, different constituent pools and the messages to each one, and then we’ll carry on, talk about other ideas for nine weeks and wake up four essentials for year end. Fund-raising i know mary will stay with me, and i hope you will, too e-giving intending to do getting ding, ding, ding, ding, you’re listening to the talking alternate network, you e-giving xero you could are you stuck in your business or career trying to take your business to the next level, and it keeps hitting a wall? This is sam liebowitz, the conscious consultant. I will help you get to the root cause of your abundance issues and help move you forward in your life. Call me now and let’s. Create the future you dream of. Two, one, two, seven, two, one, eight, one, eight, three, that’s to one to seven to one, eight one eight three. 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If you have big ideas and an average budget, tune into the way above average. Tony martin. Any non-profit radio ideo. I’m jonah helper from next-gen charity. Dahna welcome back, it’s nine weeks and wake up until december thirty first. So my guest, mary allison and i are talking about four essentials for your year end fund-raising mary let’s, talk a little more about some of these different constituent cools. You mentioned the first time donors, people who have given just once what what should your year end message be to that group? Well, you know, tony, to any of these groups, there needs to be a strong message of appreciation, so you need to make sure that through any correspondence that you have that you recognize that these donors have some interest in your organization, you appreciate that interest for all those that have already given your first time givers, your event givers, your major donors make sure you have an important message embedded in the in the appeal that lets them know how much you appreciate what they’ve done for you in the past and what’s your goal for those first time donors that the one time donors, well, you’re really looking for them to either step up the amount that they’ve given in the past or to really consider becoming a more annual giver, perhaps. You could set up a re occurring opportunity where they make a commitment to provide twenty five dollars a month every month of the year their opportunities like that, what you’re looking for, those donors to really have ah, an ongoing relationship with you that shows up ideally monthly and at least at least more than once a year and let’s say now for these one time donors that you do have an email address because hopefully you’ve you’ve acquired that when when they made their first gift, so should you approach them by email and also by u s mail, you know, for those that have the capacity to ask their donors how they would like to be met. That’s the best way to go ask them what how they would most like to hear from you that and if you don’t have that opportunity or they don’t engage in that way, you need to really be aware of what your mailing both snail mail, if you will and email and then track and see how the how the a donor responds to you, they’ll give you their own tips by their having a check show up in the mail by getting online and perhaps uh, uh, putting making a donation online or perhaps even calling in and and offering up a credit card number there. But you really need to look at those hands that they’re giving you and then come back in the make a conscious decision on how you want to proceed with engagement. How about the people who already our monthly donors, what should your message be to them that they’re already giving very regularly? Yes. And in this day and age, what, you really want to do it again? Offer them the case for support. Let them know how, how meaningful their donut donations have been and how that helped the mission and the work that’s being done and asked him if they can perhaps make it a little bit more this year. Are this time around? If they gave twenty five dollars a month last year, maybe they could step up to fifty dollars, this year. But you need to ask them and let them know again how meaningful those donations are to the important work of the mission. All right. And i suppose the people who are your occasional donors, i guess. You want to make them or try to get them to be regular donors. That’s. Exactly. Right. Hopefully that you could move them to that monthly donor group. And then the last one, major donors, people who are already giving. You know, however, your organization defines major for small and midsize shops that maybe five hundred dollars a year over a thousand dollars a year. If people are already giving at that level, what should your year end message be? Well, again, you need thio show your appreciation for them. Let them know that their investment when your organization has been some great great work. And again, you just you did you have to ask it’s taken to step it up a little bit more and so that you could do even more important work and what’s important there, though, tony, is that you need to have that relationship with that major donor all year. So you really need to be able teo offer them the relationship if you will recapture it for them. Let them know how you how you’ve appreciated them throughout the year and ask them if they can continue and prepped. Step it up a little. Bit more this year for the important work. So if people feel that they have not had a good relationship through the year with their major donors, then that sounds like something too set a cz a priority for two thousand twelve and get a really great point. Tony, yes, our are not for-profit organizations really have tio show the love, if you will, all through the years for all their donors, okay, very consistent message. I mean, you know, i asked you about a number of different constituents, and you were consistent throughout thanking them for what they’ve done and asking them to go really just to the next step, like, as you identified so let’s talk, then about using social media properties and an online way said earlier that your your online messaging really needs to be consistent with your your print messaging. Can you say? Well, more about that? Well, you not-for-profits wherever it shows up, it needs to show up with consistency. So you need to really bundle if you will, all of your outreach levers that you’re pulling so that wherever you are when your brand, when your logo when you’re representation, shows up, it’s consistent for anybody who is tapping into it wherever they’re tapping in, and we’ve had a number of guests on the show talk about branding and messaging on dh howto howto determine what your ideal message should be and then make that consistent, but but your advice obviously is across all media. It needs to be consistent. Absolutely. Now, the way that that’s going to the way that you engage might be a little bit different. Certainly social media allows you more opportunity to encourage a kind of back and forth given take almost dialogue, and i think that not-for-profits really need to be taking advantage of that. I have something on your site where your potential donors those that are interested in you, can learn more. Perhaps it’s a survey, perhaps it’s an opinion piece, perhaps it’s a block, but find a way, tio invite more engagement so that you’re pushing and pulling rather than just pushing information. You also want to show people, perhaps by your blogged, or are other social media properties that you’re you’re relevant to what’s what’s happening in the community or in the larger news that’s exactly right there’s so many things that are going on in our world right now and there’s a lot of ways to be really well relevant in to tap into showing your relevant see to your donor base, and you need to take advantage of that wherever you can and in the same time and taking advantage that you also cannot be disingenuous, you need to be opportunistic, showing your relevancy, but not in a way that doesn’t feel appropriate or that could even cloudgood message that you’re trying to get across that that’s probably a pretty fine line because you do want to take advantage of news that is current in the community on the community might be the nation, but a sze yu said, you know, you don’t want to appear inappropriate and trying to exploit news for your own advantage. That’s, exactly right and there’s multiple examples of that in in the world right now. And do you have a moment? I could give you a quick example. Ifyou’re going? Yeah, well, not too long ago. A young a young girl, rachel, back with a nine year old girl up here in my area in bellevue, washington. Unfortunately died in a horrific car accident on i ninety we’ll just prior to her death, she had set up a fund so that for her ninth birthday, uh she asked her friends to donate to a to a charity that she had created. That was teo, uh, create clean water opportunities in africa. We’ll soon after her death. And while her family was still in mourning, uh came to light that there had been this fundez set up, and people began to contribute in her name. And her parents then had the opportunity, if you will, to take this time of morning, and really make it an opportunity of celebration of their daughter’s life too speak to their daughter, and off off also provide an opportunity for people than to donate to this charity. And within six weeks the charity had grown toe one point two. Six million and was providing yeah, water outlets have fifty thousand people in africa. That’s, that’s an incredible and sad coincidence that she had started a charity on died in the car accident. Exactly. And yet there was a very heartwarming heart felt genuine desire from everybody who heard of her story to give. And now there’s been a positive outcome. For that, my guest is mary allison she’s, a partner with oneaccord, which you’ll find at oneaccord partners dot com and we’re talking about nine weeks and a wake up for essentials for year end fund-raising let’s talk about unifying, though you have some really good advice about unifying or tying together print and email. So for instance, we had talked earlier about you said message people where they want to be hurt when where they want to hear from you. But what if it’s a thanks you we want to do that and as many places as possible if it’s a thank you note, tony, great point abs, absolutely. And there are so many ways to do that many not-for-profits will use their year and to again make a personal thank you along those lines and there’s a great way that we can talk about in a minute about how you can use your board and volunteers also do a greatjob in thanking those those people but throughout the course of the year, you know, again is we’re talking about this is what, uh, nine weeks from the day the account down, but again, a lot of these strategies. That you and i are talking about are really things to take to heart for the entire year, so showing those thanks is not just a year end, but it’s around the year and to your point, you know, we also want to thank our folks not only in the letter but also in the email and it’s really a great idea follow-up immediately with an email to someone who’s made a donation so that you’re getting multiple ways to hit them right away with that. Thanks. And in fact, i just made a donation. Tio my college, my university is an alumni, and i was actually immediately hit with a twitter from them thanking me for my donation, and i thought that was such a unique and energetic way to do it. It really it really was a fun thank you for me to get right away. And, of course, i was also followed up with a major letter from the university as well. You can also just mentioned ah website or social media presence in your printed letters, always absolutely there that needs to become a disciplined great call tony and you mentioned online surveying or pulling what? What types of questions might we be asking in these surveys? You know, it’s all kinds of data, if you’d like, you know that you could be collecting at this time. Some of them have to do with your overall scope of bishan for it. If you are a mission that is helping with the homeless, you might wantto have a survey online for your donors to ask them what’s their opinion of the work. What you’re doing in that arena, how are they? How would they rate you? Um, how would they how would they like, tio? Um, you do more do more work, different kinds of working. You can ask them and start to compile that dad and let it influence are perhaps shape the work that you’ll dio. You can also provide links on your site to somebody else’s surveys so that you’re continuing to offer your donor’s new ways to get deeper information about the type of work that your mission is inspired by, or aligned with. Let’s move to direct mail. The printed piece mail. This also needs to be personalized, right? Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. And again, really kind of goes back to what we talked about has a lot to do with the donor segmentation, so you need to get have the the right message at the right time from the right person asking for the right thing. And i guess e-giving got kind of a call that the four right? Okay, on, when we’re using volunteers, there are ways you have strategies you have personalizing the actual letter itself. Why don’t you share some of those? Absolutely, for instance, how i often encouraged not-for-profits that i work with to, uh, let the board members get involved with riding some of those letters, and it could be very, very simple, but very, very meaningful and impactful. So on the, uh, on the return address of an envelope itself, there’s often a little space right above the address where your boardmember can actually print their name so you can segment your list out to those friends of the board members. Give each of the board members of stack and ask them to write to hand, write their name in above your organization’s return address so that when somebody received in the mail, not only do they see their not-for-profits address and name, but they also merely see their own personal relationship with that boardmember associate id there. I love that such a simple idea, and you have an idea for also just on the letter itself. Absolutely it’s so easy just to grab a little pile of sticky notes. Really nice if you’ve got the not for profit logo on them as well. And ask your board members to just write a quick note. A quick note of thanks for your contribution hope you’ll consider giving again. Um, and often times, you know you can. You can add to that a really personal audience. Let’s have coffee soon from mary allison at jubilee women’s center. And just stick that little sticky right on top of the letter self-funding as they open it, they see it. They get that quick note from you and it just makes it more meaningful. Something else that i used to see when i was in the air force was that senior officers would cross out the formal greeting where it said, dear, you know, captain or colonel whatever last name and they write the person’s first name. So they scratch it out on the letter and write the person’s first. Name right above it and that’s not to be corrected is to stay that way. So the person sees the the recipient sees the personalization very good. I love it. And this is stuff we could do at a board meeting, right when everybody’s together at the board? Absolutely it takes fifteen minutes, there’s often during that part part of the board meeting where you’re going through the usual agenda items that there’s not too much going on that you could be doing. You could be multitasking absolutely. And in just the minute and a half or so that we have left let’s talk about using the board or other volunteers what’s your advice there, how can these people really be effective in the last nine weeks? In a day? You know, it’s important that the boardmember is your key. Stakeholders and volunteers know what you’re up to make sure that they’re getting information from your organization about the initiatives that you’re working on, invite them to help you also provide them with some uplifting stories of success, of the of return on invest so they can share them, and they’re going out to their holiday parties they’re meeting with so many different people, they have little nuggets that they can drop into conversations about the good work that your organization is doing. It’s also a great idea to create on your internet site or in your appeal letter, a little paragraph about why i volunteer and let one of your stakeholders your boardmember give you a paragraph about why they dio and it’s just so inspirational. And then at the end of the year end, they could be used very effectively to say thank you. Oh, absolutely that khun metoo be done again by a hand written note or even a phone call it’s such a great practice for the board members to kind of do it. What we would call a phone, tree and let’s provide our board members with ten to twelve names of donors that we had a significant impact and let them give them a call and just say thanks identified himself is a boardmember they’re genuine thankfulness and it’s just like a thirty second call, but has such meaning. Mary allison is a partner with oneaccord, which you’ll find at oneaccord partners dot com we’ve been talking about nine weeks and wake up four. Essentials for your year end fund-raising mary allison, thank you very much for being a guest, tony. Thank you, it’s. Been a real pleasure. We take a break after the break. Tony’s, take two, and then scott koegler, our tech contributor, is going to share ideas about your mobile website, so stay with us. You’re listening to the talking alternative network. Are you feeling overwhelmed in the current chaos of our changing times? A deeper understanding of authentic astrology can uncover solutions in every area of life. 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The woman has to deal with grantwriting and prospect research and acquiring new donors, cultivation of existing prospects and donors stewardship you know the saying thank you to donors. Corporate sponsorship work. How should she spend her time? Andi, i was disappointed that none none of the people in that mogul link group had an answer or suggestions for her. So i blogged about it this week, and i hope you will go to my blogged and give your advice to kelly and the probably tens of thousands of similarly situated solo fundraisers in small and midsize non-profits how do you recommend that they spend their money? My blog’s that m p g a d v dot com i hope you’ll go there and and share your advice that is tony’s take two for friday, october twenty eighth with me now is scott koegler we all know he’s, our regular tech contributor we all know. He’s, the editor of non-profit technology news today he’s going to break down whether you need a mobile site, how to develop one, what to include in yours if you if you do, go ahead. Scott koegler welcome back, tony. Good luck. Are you in greenville, south carolina this month? I am actually so you’re are you with us by mobile in your in your rv? Yes, i’m using skype on the computer, but i have pretty much a full set up here. Ok? That’s cool. I love how you i want youto i want you to bring that rv into new york city sometime. That would be an adventure in itself. Mobile websites. Why do why do we first of all, why do we need a special website? Why can’t people just look att our regular website on their mobile device? The short answer is that the screen size is different back-up the longer answer is that typically there’s no keyboard? So you need to accommodate the differences in the way people interact with websites. That is different from what they do when they’re at their laptop or desktop. So just a small version of our website is not going to look so good. There are some utilities and most of the website development systems that will automatically reform at your website to fit in the smaller screens they detect the browser and the type of device, and they’ll somehow we format, but most of the time they end up just squeezing it, which really doesn’t help much now. Okay, if you don’t have that sort of utility, teo, create it and process it automatically for small size. How how do you develop a mobile website? Hyre the developers are let sites have their own special tools that allow them to make more intelligent decisions about how they reform that change the size. A lot of websites, of course, include banner ads, large graphics header and those kind of things are really those were pretty useless on a smaller device, so they get rid of those they concentrate more on content, some, some concentrate more on interactivity, social media interconnection and those kind of things. Okay, we’re going. We’re going to talk about some of those things that that should be on your mobile website, so it sounds like the place to start would be with the person who developed your you’re latto ordinary. Or day to day website. But it sounds like there’s, also a special expertise that might be needed. Teo downsize it for mobile purposes, i would say definitely. On the other hand, that kind of expertise is is becoming a necessity for anybody who’s developing website. So that’s, they probably not going to have a real hard time finding someone to do that. And you mentioned the first people that developed your original website. At this point, they already have the expertise to be able to reconfigure or develop secondary website. Okay, and my guess is it’s not going to be as expensive as like, say something else, that you and i talked about a few shows ago, which was developing an app, a mobile app. You’re not going to be spending that kind of money on your mobile website. It depends really okay, because mobile app so we were talking about, you know, tens of thousands of dollars? I don’t think so. The case for something you look at a lot of the what people call act. Some of them really are just, uh, depends on the purpose and the depth to which you want to develop this, but applications or apse can be either just dedicated websites are provided by a link on your phone or your tablet. Uh, or they can actually be downloaded applications that link to the back and took it all right. So a nap could be less expensive than i just described. And ah, mobile website could be more expensive depending on how sophisticated you want to get. Okay, so let’s, talk about some of the things that you’re really essential for your mobile website. You want to have a platform for giving our imagine write what you want to do is to start at look at what are the most critical thing? Is that you, if i get people to use on your website and, uh, you know, articles are great, but on a mobile website they may be less important. You will make him available by link and typically texts. And those kind of things will automatically reformat much less italy of a difficulty poor, heavy, too kind of redesign them. But, yes, you said be ableto give donations. I mean, that should be pretty much, you know, an easy thing to do. It should be prominent in the application. It should be, you know, donate here kind of button pretty much the same kind of button you would use on your standard website but linking to eh a formatted page that that was pretty much nothing but allowed a person too donate in the amount that they want and so you want to make that is easy to find as possible. It sounds like just like just like on the primary website. Exactly what have those prominent get too pretty much oneclick kind of a thing. One of the tricks is, too, if you already know who these who your donors are, and if they’re members of your website community, i have an automatic sinan so that they don’t have to go back to and identify themselves again. That makes it way more difficult. You want to be ableto automatically. Recognize who they are, provide them the options for making a donation and the options for a payment again, if you know who they are and heather contribution information the way that they like to give you khun going to that make use of what you really got. Uh, it’s not makes things like paypal, easy to get to or or even credit card donation forms, right? All simple as possible so we don’t lose people who want to give right. And they said they don’t have the keyboard of the bill specifically do have keyboards, obviously on phone and tablets with there, you know the rules really not quite as easy to use, so you want to minimize any of the typing? Ok? Eso minimize typing in favor of buttons to select instead to think buttons to select and automatically updated information again, you have there if you know who they are by virtue of the fact that they are members of your community, for maybe the facebook sign and kind of a function where you don’t you don’t have to type anything. You just have to identify themselves one way or another. Okay, good advice for for minimizing. The typing on a on a small keyboard what else do you like to see in a mobile website? Scott, in the mobile environment show, social interaction is really a big thing most people are using, you know, facebook or twitter, linkedin, uh, google plus to an increase in and out, and so they’re already using those facility. So if you have your website there, you want to be ableto allow them toe quickly and easily share the information again. A donation function should be something that they should be able to click on it and say, sure this with my facebook account and allow me to write in a quick update that says, i just don’t need to do this. So i think you should donate to this cause because of whatever again, make it simple allow them to share it on whatever social media their preferences i would say limited, for instance, don’t just limited to twitter, facebook and the other ones that are important for your constituent community, and these connections are very easy to make maybe not by the average person but by a developer. Certainly the social media platforms are all designed to be shared. Widely right, you’re developers know that without you thinking that something that they would add to certainly your main website, and easily enough to any mobile website. Okay, just in a minute or so we have left before a break. What about events non-profits hold events? What advice do you have around putting those in the mobile website? Well, just like the donation, i would say provide the information about the event in a concise manner provide the dates times, whatever any contributions or expenses that are necessary in order to attend and then allow them to sign up for and say, yes, i’m coming. Facebook has a great, um function for that the the invitation, and so it’s easy enoughto leverage off of that, or just to provide your own there’s plenty of services available for your website as well that, uh, allow you to set up on the event and invite people and then accept their participation. We’re going to take a break, and when we return, scott can go to the editor of non-profit technology news will keep telling us about advice for your mobile website, so stay with us. Talking alternative radio, twenty four hours a day. Are you stuck in your business or career trying to take your business to the next level, and it keeps hitting a wall? This is sam liebowitz, the conscious consultant. 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Bilich certainly those air are good for events, you know, people don’t know where the location is and be ableto click here and guide me there, get directions. Those bills are great, helpful applications, you know, i just read that tom tom, the maker of gps systems typically for cars, is going out of the hardware business because nobody argue anymore, they got it on their phones in their tablets. Oh, interesting. So the two players in that really are tom, tom and and garment is the big one, right? Right, right and no indication that they’re going out of the hardware business. I didn’t hear any announcement from garment, but i was kind of surprised. Tom tom, they make cem really great physical equipment, and i used both. I used the tom tom and i also used my my cell phone, my smartphone and i still use the tom tom quite a bit, just because it hangs on my yeah, okay, but those those dashboard devices always have the advantage of talking that speaking the directions does your phone do that? It does? Yes, it does. I just used google maps actually on my cell phone and it talks and allows me teo to guide i i don’t talk to it. I don’t even know if it has that some of the town tommy and have the ability to say actually talked the address we’ll get either. Okay. Interesting. So back to the mobile websites i would i would think you’d want to have a way for people to reach you if they want to know if they want to have further interaction further find out, get more information, sure and again, this is something of a typical on a website where you would typically, you know, quicker button that would email or bring up a chat box. I’m on a mobile device course difficult you’re talking about a cellphone or smart phone, so it makes a lot more sense. Maybe just click and talk, so include the phone number there with a click button alittle magically dials phone number and get you directly to to the non-profit that they’re trying to talk to excellent, okay? And and finally, you had some advice about content, news, content. Well, i really believe that content really is important in almost every aspect of communicating and the next newsletter presentation and those kind of things and if you’re doing that anyhow on your website, which i would have to believe that most non-profits air doing there, providing information about who they are, what they do and what they would like to do. So being that mobile devices are things that are used pretty much intermittently, not like a desktop where you sit back and you actually sit there for a while, you want to be able to provide people easy ways to read your content, so either by way of a knee mail update to the cell phone or maybe an rs s feed or there are a whole lot of other feed mechanisms that will bring your content to the cell phone. It is critical because those air, those off moments where, you know, maybe they have time to read two, three, four hundred words with the text as they’re waiting for whatever it is a bus in a cab somewhere, whatever they happen to be doing, and i don’t have something else occupying your time, scott let’s remind people what are ss feed? What does that mean? Uh, really simple syndication, which means almost as much as our ss, right, but it’s, where most people will know it is google reader, google reader i accept those kinds of feeds and present them in a format easy to read me to track what they’re interested in, and we’ve talked in the past about having video on your site. Can you do that on your mobile site? Also, pretty much any smartphone or tablet will accept the video. One exception, of course, is the big exception the iphone, the ios environment with iphone and ipad that don’t have don’t accept flash video, which still is predominant on pretty much frustrating issue for those people, those millions and millions of people using the apple devices. So but you do want to be able to be viewed by users of that kind of device, so they’re always to do it. Your web developer can help you get around them, and when we’ve talked about video, we always make the point that it doesn’t have to be high end video. I mean, it could just be something that somebody pulled out a phone and and put them put in front of themselves when it’s when it’s riel heartfelt and genuine about the charity. Absolutely, but i would add to that the most critical part of the video is actually the audio it’s amazing that people sit through just terrible quality video feed, but they’ll immediately turn it off if they can’t hear. So be sure that you you sound is adequate, that you’ve got the the recording device close enough to the person doing the talking that the sound comes through and then it should be okay. All right. And, scott, just a minute we have left. You mentioned google plus earlier. What are you seeing now that it’s been out on dh public? How are you seeing it used? Are you seeing it used widely? I mean, really, actually people using it. Not just signing up. What are you seeing? Uh, the current number is around forty million users, which is pretty phenomenal, actually short period of time, they’ve been out. They just recently actually yesterday announced that they’re integrating the the blogged the one facility, i think it’s blonde dot com brother dot com, which is google property, so they’re going to be linking google plus with blogger, which makes a whole lot of sense because if you’re now the block near post will be shown in google, plus so little by little google’s, integrating all their properties and other facilities with google plus and it’s really getting traction. One of the comments that i saw just recently was that it’s not so much about your family, it’s more about your other relationships, your business relationships and your professional relationship. So i think google plus is carving out a niche that is not so much directly competitive with facebook, not that they don’t want a lot of that business, but i think they’re going in a little bit different direction, and they’re being successful at it. Scott koegler is the editor of non-profit technology news, which you’ll find at n p tech news. Dot com he’s, our regular tech contributor. We talked to him once a month. Scott a real pleasure. Thanks very much for joining us. Thanks, durney. Take your good to have you want. Thanks, scott. And also mary allison from washington st mary, thank you very much for joining us next week. Assess your asking style author andrea kill stead will be with me for the hour to share her insights into the four asking styles and what each different style needs to be successful. Are you a mission controller or kindred spirit? Find out next week with my guest, andrea kill stead you can keep up with that’s coming up week after week. 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