Tony’s guests this week:
Heather Martin, COO at Interfaith Family & Karen Graham, executive director of Idealware.
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Michael Clark, former president of the Nonprofit Coordinating Committee of New York, and Melkis Alvarez-Baez, deputy director.
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Gerald Richards, CEO of 826 National.
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Tony’s guests this week:
Dan Blakemore, assistant director of development for individual giving at International House
Scott Koegler, editor of Nonprofit Technology News
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Durney hello and welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent. I’m your aptly named host. Oh, i hope you’re with me last week why i’d be put into pyre xia if i heard that you had missed intuitive brainstorming, karen garvey, author, speaker, intuitive and coach described the why and how of her intuitive brainstorming process and the pelota paul parte do our legal contributor jean takagi principle of the non-profit and exempt organizations law group continued our discussion from may tenth on dan pallotti’s video the way we think about charity is dead wrong. Jeanne and i also talked about the overhead myth letter that’s been circulating this week dan’s donor retention ideas. Dan blakemore is assistant director of development for individual giving at international house. We talked at fund-raising day last month here in the city about how to hold on to your donors from phone to facebook this was supposed to be beth cancer, but this turned out not to be a good week for beth to be engaged online, so my fund-raising day interview with her will be next week. Also tablet aps scott koegler is back he’s our tech contributor and the editor of non-profit technology news he’s got info on tablet apse for fund-raising between the guests on tony’s take two. You know tony stick to is always between the guests die without a will and reduce your state’s deficit. There’s a sad story out there about a man with a forty million dollars estate i want to do some live listen love before we go to the pre recorded interview with with dan blakemore, nouma zoho yokohama in tokyo, japan. Konnichiwa, yonkers, new york in new york, new york welcome and argentina buenos our days ah, but that’s either. Alejandra oh, francisco ola whichever of you it is we need the other one to come in. Get the other one on the line, whoever you are, not allehanda or francisco let’s transition now to the interview with dan blakemore talking about donorsearch retention welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio coverage of fund-raising day two thousand thirteen or at the marriott marquis hotel in midtown new york city right in times square. With me now is dan blakemore. We’re going to talk about donor-centric. He is assistant director of development individual giving for international house dan blakemore. Welcome to the show. Oh, thank you so much for having me, tony. I’m really happy to be here. My pleasure. What? What is international houses work? International house were a residential community for international graduate students here in new york city. The residents can be studying pretty much anything at the graduate level. A ce moment. They’re doing it in new york city, and they’re eligible live at the house. We also house interns, trainees and visiting scholars from around the city. It sounds like a pretty dynamic place to visit you. You are you there? You’re sharing meals with them very often. Oh, yeah. There’s. A dime. I mean, there’s a dining room. I usually have lunch every day with other staff members and resident members. Gym facilities, study room’s, computer labs. I mean, we try to have as much in the house as possible for them. S so yes, they have to leave every now and again to go to class or something crazy like that. What? We really want them to stay in the community as much as possible learned as much from each other as possible. Our mission is really driven by leadership development in cross cultural understanding for the residents sounds like an incredible place to visit all over the world, studying all different kinds of things. Oh, yeah, here in new york, all right, your seminar, the topic is acquisition and retention of donors, but it’s a panel and your expertise is the retention definite. So i’m not going to hold you the acquisition part let’s talk about dahna retention. Well, what social media is a big part of that? But i don’t know, he’s, telemarketing a part of that where you want to start with attention before international house, at least in my experience, the attention has been much more focused around kind of really i i call it really the basics of good fund-raising good stewardship, everybody gets a phone call or an email before long before they get their acknowledgment from the president or the director of development. Um, we’re really trying to focus a lot around showing impact to people so that they are really clear on where their money is going, because when i started at our house, we were in the middle of a multi year, multimillion dollar challenge grant and i started i said, okay, well what are we doing to show impact to the people that have given already? Because it’s not gonna be much easier to get them to give us an extra hundred dollars an extra thousand dollars if they know we’re doing the right thing with their money and there’s really something good happening here? Then you have to be going out to other people saying, okay, you don’t know me, but international house is a great place give me some money. Yeah, widely recognized that it’s cost a lot more time and money to acquire a new donor than to keep one s i said, what are we really doing? And we weren’t doing as much. So i really one of the things i’ve been happy to do in my three and a half years there is really focuses on, ah, sustainable stewardship program so that we really engaging people, whether they are named room donors from twenty years ago to someone who set up a scholarship fund last year that they’re hearing from us that they know that the money they’ve given in the past is really having an impact and of course, encouraging them to continue giving because we we got to keep the doors open. We’re gonna keep the residents exposed to. There are all the programs were providing to encourage their leadership. You mentioned a telephone call who would make that telephone call toe donors to thank in the lion share of cases. It’s me? Since i mean, i’m assistant director development for individual giving. But there are some already i said your title once. Yes. You don’t need to drop names dropping yourself ridiculous already rolling. Not even five minutes into this thing. Already heard times. Thank you. Gonna keep things types up here, mike off. Okay. Ah, blood. There are some that i usually will say for the director, development or president. Especially kind of long, long gone generous loyalty donors, alumni that are much older and has been given to us for decades that i think should at some point here from the president, knew usually a much more of a nice treat for them to kind of hear, share their experience of what they remember from when they lived in the house, but also then know that the president is saying, really, we appreciate your support. We value it. Please keep giving and thank you. Okay, that’s important, i think the backdrop is closing in on us a little bit, so, you know, i don’t know if you have to move, but the backdrop is being encroached from from the other side. Oh, well, good, no, we’ll see what they’re trying to force me. They wanted eleven by ten, they were allocated a ten by ten, they wanted they wanted eleven by ten. Ah, all right, that doesn’t matter, way, continue. I mean, we’ve had earthquakes, we’ve had rappel going on. The lights have gone off today multiple times. I’m not surprised that are not our floodlights, okay? Do boardmember sze, what have you ever engaged boardmember for these, thank you calls occasionally, i mean, i’m working one of my many goals, probably in the next year or two calls it because our learned, a long serving president is retiring in the next few months, so i really want to try to get especially starting with the members of our development committee more involved with fund-raising just some have been very concerned or where about oh, well, i don’t have nearly as many friends who are rich, they could come to the gallo or can make a gift at five thousand dollars level every year, so i just can’t be helpful with fund-raising not true much more, so i’m working with them in-kind open their eyes to well, really, if you just make thank you calls and share your experience, why you share with the donors why you’re on the board asked them why they’re giving that’s easy way don’t you don’t need to write a check you don’t need to harass anybody else. That does not mean i don’t want you to get your wealthy friends to come to our special events or to come to speaker. Programs and meet residence. But it’s really about kind of opening up that fund-raising experience letting them see that there’s a lot more to the process, then just begging your friends to give you some money. Ok? All right, very much a personal touch. What you’re trying to bring hopeful. Okay, let’s, let’s. Go online, tio. Some social media. What? What do you what do you like to do on on facebook? Tio? Well, facebook keep donorsearch all social media for us is challenging, i would say, because by virtue of the kind of non-profit that we are, we are key audiences are always residents to currently live in the house. Alumni, donors trust these other people that know of our work. So it’s, we’re always kind of throwing different messages for different populations, all on the same channels because they’re all there falik it would be it would probably be nicer if we could say all the alumni are only on facebook or all the trustees are only on twitter that’s not realistic that unfortunately that is not going to go to them where they are exactly s o i think it’s been it’s been a lot of integration. To say the least, whether it’s the facebook groups like right now i know we have an alumni reunion coming up next weekend and kind of a lot of the mo mentum for it really started on facebook. Thehe lums, who are the co chairs of the reunion committee, released kind they started their own subgroup within our group. Yeah, that was okay, everybody who’s coming to make sure you’re make sure you get your registrations in, make sure you consider making a gift along with your registration. These are all the events we have going on. We hope to see you there, bring your kids if you if you there’s someone that you lost touch with, we’ll see if we can reconnect you with them. Is there someone you know who doesn’t hear from the house anymore? Make sure you two have them send us their new information. You’re happy to have them piggyback on. Oh yeah, international houses facebook poll that make not like, you know, it’s a violation of policy or something? No, i mean there it’s much better for us to have them out there doing it, getting the message to their friends who, while i’m sure, most the bulk of them live like tar page generally know what we’re talking about. But there it’s all. They’re always going to be much more responsive to someone that they know personally. Me or director development of the element i relations director putting something up saying, hope we see you at the reunion there. Are they all the other aliens happening? Okay, but i think the point is that that degree of flexibility, yes, that’s when someone wants to take the ball, including using your, you know, piggybacking on your organization fund-raising page, you allowed it. Oh, of course. I mean, you want that. I want them to feel comfortable putting those messages out because of those people who are pushing the message out are going to be much more effective in their outreach. Then we could be talking to their friends exactly as close as you get. You know, you won’t ever have the relationship that they have exactly with their friends, talking alternative radio twenty four hours a day. Do you need a business plan that can guide your company’s growth? Seven and seven will help bring the changes you need. Wear small business consultants and we pay attention to the details. You may miss our coaching and consultant services are guaranteed to lead toe. Right, groat. For your business, call us at nine. 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It will make you smarter. Hey, all you crazy listeners looking to boost your business? Why not advertise on talking alternative with very reasonable rates? Interested simply email at info at talking alternative dot com metoo i have other other online strategies, so well, we’re also wanted were dipping toes. I mean, we’re on twitter and a lot of the messaging there has been focused around current events happening at the house kind of as they’re happening, so there has been some live tweeting i know we did some live tweeting of our gala that was on tuesday because we were honoring big named more more i could do more name dropping if you if you so desire, go ahead, drop one that’s not your you know what my problem was? You’re promoting yourself it’s good thing you have written a book yet we would’ve heard that six times by now we’re ten minutes in, i would have it the title six times. I i’m a long way to go before i’m writing a book, but fareed zakaria is one of our trusty outstanding cnn and yes, fareed zakaria gps fundez he was one of the people we’re honoring he’s going on our board for ten years eso he got our award for promoting international understanding, so he was among the very impressive group that were there. S o i know there was some of the trustees were live tweeting, but also we were live tweeting for constitutional account, okay, just so that people could see oh, this is really happening over its cars, getting his award and all paul volcker speaking and okay, and how do you feel this all relates back to donor retention? I think it relates back because latto things like live tweeting, let people see things are actually happening, let them see that we brought a group of residents there to make sure that the special event donors really get a really a clear understanding of the house and what it is are really mission is all about because if you it’s one thing to have a special event, raise all this money and then everybody goes home and feels fine. But it’s it’s always been a priority for us to make sure that the residents were there so they can sew the donors can meet them because a lot of a lot of special event donors, by virtue of not being annual fund owners per se are not necessarily being alums do not come to a lot of our events, so we’re trying to capitalize on the opportunity of having them all in one space to say here, meet some of our impressive scholarship recipients here metoo of the residents have done really impressive things, and i have plenty more to do in their careers so that they can really start to see the value that they’re providing to our community. And for those who can’t come, you’re able to engage them. They think they can see it on twitter. They can book a cz more photos air coming in from the photographer were trying to push those right back out through links on our website on dh through facebook converters so people will, then they say all way or if you were there, you know, someone who was there, you could go through the photos and say, oh, oh, oh so until i got to talk to frieda cardio that’s impressive. So it’s, i think it meets a lot of different purposes without nearly as much effort as it could take. What is the international house doing? That’s ah, you think really exemplary in doner retention slideshare temporary dahna retention that’s a very good question. Well, that’s, that could be another opportunity for me to pat myself on the back so i’m going to seize on this because you did a perfectly tony, i would think thee one on one reporting we’re doing now for a scholarship recipients, because there are a lot of scholarship funds that have been created probably in the last forty years, some through capital campaigns, some kind of much more independently as someone gets to that point in the major gift cultivation process that they decide they want to create a scholarship fund that stewardship is also has really been really important for us because a lot of those donors again are not in new york city don’t get to come to our events or meet residents at all, and the residents are everything whenever in the spring is usually when i get to do all my interviews with scholarship recipients, and i really enjoy it for one just because in the development office there’s so few opportunities to just engage with residents and just kind of here about what are they studying? What do they want to do in their careers? But this is a great opportunity to come in, talk to them, get there, kind of get their story figure out. What it is, they’re really focused on and then be able to share that information with a donor who can say, oh, i made a gif five years ago, fifteen thousand dollars and its supporting great people like this so especially, i think, it’s i think it’s even more important for people who are not in the new york area than for those who usually do come to events and kind of have a feel for the people that live at the house cause i think we’ve gotten some really positive feedback from people about, uh oh, i had forgotten about this xero this has been so interesting and engaging, i feel like i’m really a part of what’s going on at the house, even if i live in another country and for us that’s that’s the heart of it because we have alumni spread out literally around the world and it’s hard to keep them engaged keep them feeling connected to the work that’s happening in new york while they’re also alumni that’s going on all over the world, but they don’t always get to meet the residence. This reporting lets you know it’s, broaden it for non-profits that may not have alumni and followship maybe in something different you’re essentially talking about outcomes reporting yes, little really see okay, you’re you’re fund of fifteen thousand dollars produced let’s say two thousand dollars in the last year that two thousand dollars supported two or three to three residents, and they’re thieves, they’re they’re what they’re going for in their careers. This is what they’re studying, and this is what they’ve done in the last two years while they lived at the house that has really changed, exposed them, open their eyes to different cultures, expanded their horizons and let them see a lot more potential in the areas they wantto work. Yeah, those are all valuable outcomes impacts that donors air now, you know, within the past four, five years, much more interested in that’s, right? Of course, other other methods of sharing impact at a place like international house way, we’ve been experimenting with some video. I’d like to do mohr video right now, of course. Well, but this is not that i’m not going teo sametz out any donorsearch they’re not going to be interesting. Yeah, it will hurt your i don’t want to hurt your e-giving thank you very much. Ah ah, but no it’s really more. In the last two years ago, some residents actually created their own video just kind of encapsulate there i house experience that we’ve been able to use from youtube. Okay, but i really like to do something probably every year, every two years that maybe some scholarship president’s talking about their experience way have a whole lot of some of the different artists it’s in the leadership programs just so that people can people outside of new york and don’t get to be there really just get to see and even for use at special events where people don’t know what it is we do it’s an easy way to say watch this for two minutes at least you’ll have a flavor for what it is we do the caliber of people that live there and the really impressive people that also have participated in our programs. How many residents are there in a given calendar year? It’s, usually between seven hundred and a thousand oh, my gosh is much bigger than i thought, and seventy percent of the resident population is always international we usually try to keep it to seventy percent international, thirty percent domestic on and they can stay for a short is thirty days and as long as three years. And is there just one location, or do you have multiple residences where? I mean, there are there are multiple international houses were the only one in new york. We’ve been open it. We will be ninety next year. Excellent. Where where is it? In new york, we are all on riverside drive. Almost diagonal from grant’s tomb and next across the park from riverside church. Come in view of the hudson. We have great. Some of some of the residents have amazing views across the river. Some have great views through secure a park and onto riverside church grants tomb s oh, there are it’s a nice views considering where you are and we one of them. Anything one of the many things we’re doing for the residents a za part of our operating support. In addition to found scholarships and fellowships that we provide help them put on programming for the community. We’re usually subsidizing residents by at least twenty five hundred dollars per resident based on what they would be paying to. Have to live in the same area, have the same amenities at their immediate disposal on dh that’s really important to us in addition to providing between four hundred, five hundred thousand dollars a year in scholarship and fellowships, so that it’s easier for them to participate in the community, because that’s there we really believe that they get the most out of their time, thereby being engaged in the community by attending program sam’s, getting to know other people from other parts of the world, because our alumni are always very proud too. Lee, go out and then say, oh, if i find myself in sri lanka, i’ve got five people i know. I find myself in djibouti i know three people i’ve been to srilanka, by the way colombo the capital, your and then i went north into the jungle, and tio advomatic fora long i spent about four foot now better part of a week, five days or so we’ll get more well traveled than i thought so. Let’s let’s, bring it back to dahna returned? Yes. How? How important do you think the annual fund is for us? I’m sorry. I don’t mean the annual fund. I meant the annual report, how important is that? Donor-centric attention, i’m probably going, i’m probably going to i’m going to have to say they’re on some levels very important, but to other people totally inconsequential. I mean to i think for the higher level donors, it’s i think with a higher level donors it’s going to be it’s always going to be of interest, to at least be able to have something tangible and see a while in a meeting. Oh, oh, this is this year. This is last year’s annual report, and this is what? Okay, we meet met thes three these big objectives, here’s, some photos, here’s, the important financials. We added these people to the board and they’re bringing all this extra capacity to what we’re doing. But i think also for the annual fund donor-centric dollars a year, i don’t think they are, in my experience, at least working with them. They seem to be less interested in that it’s much more. Okay, tell me about the residents and what they’re doing and much less of the hard core metrics. Hardcore financials. What what’s really actually happening, but that’s, that is obviously a generalization because we have thousands of dollars. What about the house website, the isles webster terms of not don’t just describe it, but in terms of donorsearch engagement in retention just because we’re recently released a new website unveiled it rather, andre were very intentional about providing and as one specific area where we are sharing quotes from residents. I don’t think we have any video clips up yet, but that’s one of my goals for the next fiscal year that’s really focused about how do your gifts impact this community? And how does it mean so that’s mean for us? I think it’s, i’m hoping for the future going forward. People will be able to go to the website and really get to be able to see very clearly if i give international house one hundred dollars, what am i supporting and to know reasonably ok it’s going to be supporting leadership programs, scholarships, fellowships, outings that we do all over the city and within the region for people to learn more about the city and the u s but also have those opportunities to get to know each other. That noise behind dan is a spinning wheel the booth adjacent. Ours is giving away either caps, t shirts, mugs or a chance to win an ipad, and you spin the wheel for the chance and that’s what you’re hearing. So so yes, we’re not we’re not having a dan does not have any kind of speech impediment have this ability to make a ah native american, i don’t clicking sound while he’s talking and speaking code. There was no code underlying what dan was saying strictly a raffle wheel thank you for that very talented man, but does not do the clicking sounds as he’s yeah, the otherwise i think you work for the national security agency if you were able to. Ok, i’ll take it all right, let’s say, well, let’s dahna retention let’s leave listeners with one mohr one more. One more thing they have advice for small and midsize shops, you know, not alumni related like international house, i would say be sure that you are tracking when you send out whatever sort of fund-raising appeals you’re sending out, whether they’re direct mail, email, web based, make sure you’re tracking who they came from what’s kind of the tone that you’re taking, whether you’re talking specifically about impact, or just really, about good works. And then kind of the basic metrics of response rates. So you, khun, be able to compare over maybe two to three years to say, okay, what do more are more donors responding to a message from a trustee? Are more donors responding? The message from the president of the board? Someone who’s actually benefited from our programs, and if we’re talking specifically about impact, do a certain kind of donorsearch sponsor that one, and because all of this information really will help you better cater your message to the various constituencies that you have, but if you know certain donors on a regular appeal will give you fifty dollars. But when you talk specifically about you provide a clear picture of one resident, one person who has benefitted from your cause, they are, they’ll go from fifty to one hundred dollars, then, you know you need to keep sending them impact pieces and not just generic asked pieces so that’s that that’s an easy ruling road we can and we can explore that a little bit more. We got a couple minutes basically talking about testing. Yes, right. So it’s a little more about how you how you conduct your test for me, it’s thus far, it’s really been been able to look back at i think i usually go at least four or five years back to say ok, which appeals? What was really the response rate? Let’s. See how many people were we mailing to? What did that mean? And then say how much money was raised? Obviously, every donor average gift bob, her donor on dh then kind of try to figure out, even though it is. Every appeal is always different. You can it’s hard to pin the differences on any one thing. But if you’re seeing a trend that people are responding mohr two appeals from trust members of the board of trustees. Theun. Then you know, that’s that obviously needs to be something you’re focused more on. But you have to set up a method of tracking these things. Well, yes, i mean, for me, i do something. I keep it very basic. Usually reckon all in excel brothers, the response rates, the author’s kind of the tone way have what other variables? D’oh, d’oh control for still average average. Give her donor the number of donors that actually responded the number of gifts just so that, you know, just it’s much more about having for me having as much information as possible because you could even see in the economic downturn. Yes, while we may not have received as many gifts, the percentage is still stayed reasonably around. What are averages have been okay, so it wasn’t. It was an opportunity to say yes, our totals are down like everyone else is in america, but people are still giving at or above the usual rate, so we really don’t have it. It’s not like we not like we lost fifteen percent of our donor base just because the economy was a mess. And then this way you also have this data that you can go to your supervisors with you’re bored with to justify perhaps increases. Yeah, in spending in certain ways by saying, you know, we’ve got the evidence that more money spent here is very, very likely to have more money bear more. Yeah, exactly. All right. We’re going to get their damned like, well, that sounds good to me. I appreciate the opportunity to be with you and get to your listeners to my pleasure. We’re connected in lots. Of different ways on the social networks. Oh, yes. Ok, it’s, good to see you in person. Blakemore’s. The thank you is the assistant director of development for individual giving at international house in new york city and we’re in new york city with live coverage of fund-raising day two thousand thirteen. Thank you very much for being with us. My thanks to dan blakemore, little quick live listener love before we take a break guangzhou, china, shanghai as well. Ni hao it’s francisco imbriano zara is francisco. Thank you for that tweet. Got you. Ah, we gotta try to we got to get the alejandro. Where is she? 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I want to get try to get all three of them to talk about that overhead myth letter tony steak to my block this week is die without a will and reduce your state’s deficit. A man from new york city died with a forty million dollar estate he was ninety seven years old didn’t have a will and has no family that has been found, and that combination means that his forty million dollars will be paid to the state of new york. I think that’s quite unfortunate lots of charitable good could’ve been done with that or a portion of the estate just very unfortunate that someone would be ninety seven and not have a will on, according to the new york times coverage which i have linked in my blogged he was about to, but his his accountant, i think or his attorney was was on vacation. And when that person came back, he was finally going to do is will but ninety seven is a long, long time to wait to do well. There’s a possible planned e-giving lesson in there. Maybe you can use some this or something like it for, you know don’t let this happen to you. And the story is more fleshed out on my blogged at tony martignetti dot com the post is die without a will and reduce your state’s deafness. Buy-in that is tony’s take two for friday, the fifth of july twenty seventh show of the year and show number one hundred and forty nine. Next week is the sesquicentennial but it’s going to be low key? Just a, uh, just a regular show. Not a dull show. Just a loki show. Not celebratory, necessarily. I mean, i’ll mention it, but that could be a big celebration. All right, that’s enough on what what’s planned. Scott koegler, are you there? I am here, tony. And you know what? I just heard that my great grandfather just died somewhere up there. And i think that i haven’t been in contact with him for a long time. Well, that and have to be on your mother’s side because his last name was bluhm. Okay, well, it was definitely on my mother. It was anybody’s side. Okay, well, congratulations, scott. Koegler, of course, the editor of non-profit technology news. Which you’ll find at n p tech news dot com and on twitter, you can follow scott he’s at scott koegler konigstein our and our regular tech contributor welcome back, scott. Thank you, tony. Good to be here again, like been forever. I think it has been we might have missed a month for some reason. I’m not sure why, but there has been a while, but you’re back and we’re planned for many months into the future. Oh, good. Yes. Let’s talk about tablets. What? Who? The ipad ipad dominates the tablet market. Isn’t that true? Um, well, it dominates in terms of maybe maybe numbers. I’m not really sure the of the domination at this point because the there’s so many versions of android, you know, because it’s a free operating system right now also, lots of tablet makers are able to do lots of things with it, and certainly the tablets have kind of taken over the world. I have a couple of i mean, between my wife and i, we have to wait for, well, almost anything that we you don’t need a keyboard for, you know? So they’re definitely all over and there’s the there’s, the microsoft surface, of course android also, um, this is their surface android. I know this microsoft windows eight be windows that’s, right? Of course would be window. Yeah, yeah, see, that’s, why that’s why i need you on more often, you know, of course, that would not be android that would not be the google offering that would be windows. But i know microsoft is in the is in that business and which is not that common. They don’t produce much hardware right then. And just as a kind of interesting point there. Did you know that the microsoft surface, not necessarily the tablet, but the surface was the very first kind of a tablet ish kind of thing was a table with multi touch technology that could actually recognize objects that was placed on it. And that was the very first generation of that kind of technology and wasn’t that long ago. Interesting. So it knew whether you had a a stein of beer or a cup of coffee, is that what you mean? It could do that? One of the things that they did that was very interesting was you could take a digital camera and just lay it on the on the surface and it would extract the images and display them across the table. And then you could kind of manipulate them around the table. Pretty interesting. Okay, i probably couldn’t distinguish between like, if you had a glass of sauvignon blanc and a glass of chardonnay. You probably wouldn’t know the difference between those, though. Well, there’s an app for that it’s called someone a app. Oh, yeah, you were wind. You are a your wine aficionado final? Yes, way. We’re talking about that. We’ve talked about that a long time ago on dh. Speaking of fine wines, we have we have someone listening from marseilles. Marseilles, marseilles? Yeah, sure. Yes. Welcome. I hope you come back marseille, but all right. But this is an app for that. But let’s, talk about tablet aps on mostly for fund-raising. You have some? You have some ideas there. Are and i think that there’s i think it really kind of those two directions here. One is tablets for just as an alternative to what you do in the office, you know, makes it, if you out about you want to have your tablet and you, khun really manage your basic activities, just threw a browser. So those are really aps, but it is a way to use it. But from what i can tell most, uh, up and coming used for tablets is in events. Okay, that makes sense, right? Because you can have multiple people of your multiple staff members at events with tablets, they can all be accessing the same applications or different applications, depending on what their jobs are so they could be walking around. Um, managing the the auction, the silent auction or the real option, they can be signing up people for their for their newsletter for their email. They can be doing interviews, you know, videos with the with the tablet and post them in real time onto social media or hang on to them for editing later. So you lot lots and lots of applications that may or may not require specific aps, you know, for fund-raising or her non-profits i like the tablet itself is certainly becoming a big deal. I like the idea of having people roving around. I mean, especially shooting video, it could be the shooting like testimonial videos that could be selling some things, or maybe even accepting donations because you can put a simple card reader, plug a simple card reader in and do cash transactions, right? Right on the spot, right? And i think that’s one of the easiest to get hold of is the taking donations, you know? You’re right either, at the point of the reason that the people showed up that’s for a lot of non-profits know, the event is the thing, right? I mean, that’s that’s, how they get a lot of their activity. Right? So having the tablet with, um ah, and the ability, tio, physical hit people up right there. Not just say yes, i will. I will be a sponsor. I will donate. Okay. Let’s, do it. Yeah. It’s, the old, you know, take out the check book except there’s. No checkbook, right? Yeah. It’s. That is in some constituencies that that may work the on the spot donation. So you have some have some sites for us. Some resources i do, and i were just talking about the ability to take donations on the spot, and they’re they’re three that i that i know of. I think there are many more. Obviously, they’re square, which is the ubiquitous little thing, that little square block that you stick into the earphone jack, um, and squares is one again the most widely known, probably okay, and that’s, the card reader. You slide it, use that card, were used to get into your phone, jack, but it’s, a card reader, and there are there three other card leaders that i’ll just mention, because everybody pretty much knows square there’s, one from paypal. And everybody knows paper may not have known that they also had a card reader. So paypal is great for donations because a lot of people have paypal accounts and they can donate from there that’s one of those abs? Well, we’re really well on the tablet, and then you can get the papal card reader. Teo, go directly to paper. There’s one called blue pay blu e p a y dot com that is another ah swipe leader for your tablet and then there’s into it into it, you know, the famous company for quickbooks and quicken in those things. Yes. So they also have away and i haven’t looked at it, but i have to believe that that card reader most likely interfaces directly with they’re they’re probably, um, with their application, you know? So if you swipe, it goes right into your accounting so that for an organization that already uses quickbooks or quicken, that might be a really good option right here. Ok. All right. So those are all the cash transaction ones. And i’ve even done this. I’ve bought books at aa book signing. And you you sign your name right on the on the line using your finger. Right? Right? Yep. Just draw your name, right? Yep. Well, i i’m accustomed to signing with a crayon. I had to make the transition to my fingertips, but i was able to manage wei have just about a minute before break aside from card readers and cash transactions. What, what what else have you got for us? Um, there’s one suggestion, and that is be sure that whatever applications that makes sense also integrate directly with your social media, facebook, twitter and google. Plus, whatever else you may be using two, but we can talk about a couple of things that do that so that you’re not doing double entry and double posting it disclosed immediately in to your social media, from whatever else you’re doing. Yes, you’ve got some apse that work within facebook very well. And when we come back in a couple of moments, we will talk about them. Hope everybody stays with us. Dafs you’re listening to the talking alternative network. Are you stuck in your business or career trying to take your business to the next level, and it keeps hitting a wall? This is sam liebowitz, the conscious consultant. I will help you get to the root cause of your abundance issues and help move you forward in your life. Call me now and let’s. Create the future you dream of. 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Welcome back to big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent even more live listener love, it’s, amazing stockton, california always appreciate the golden state checking in sucked in in the oakland san francisco area west east of there, of course, but stockton live. Listen love to you. Lots of people in seoul, south korea. Welcome south korea. Of course. Anya haserot up at quarter to two in the morning listening in seoul. Thank you. And many of you as well should jury japan konichiwa. And from south carolina. Scott koegler you’re in me. You’re in south carolina, right? Scott, i have that i am a doctor. Alana. Tony. Okay. What town? Where you were you calling in from my town is named traveller’s rest traveller’s rest. Oh, yeah, we’ve talked about that. Sounds like an insane asylum. Ah, sunday or a nursing home. Okay. Shoretz, i’m sure it’s. Very lovely. I’m sorry. I’m well, yeah, they called it traveller’s rest. I mean, they have to expect some some comments about that. Uh, one thing about it is there is only one in the country. Is that right? Okay. Okay. There’s. Only one new york city, too. That’s. True. What do you have for us that does? Fund-raising and works inside facebook? Um, there are a couple of them one that i’ve seen is called fund raiser that’s fun are ese, are if you just go on the facebook into search for you’ll find it it’s uh, it’s, an app that is actually within facebook and, of course, then facebook works on tablets pretty well. So it’s really not a nap. It’s really a facebook application, but, you know, since a lot of fund-raising and social activity goes on in facebook that it’s really a kind of a natural for for any kind of a non-profit trying teo integrate all the pieces together, okay? That’s yeah, they’re they’re also at ah, fundraiser, as scott said, r a z e r dot com i mean, as you said, scott yes, fundraiser don’t count as well. What do you what is it? What you like? You’re okay? So you like their social media integration? Any any fees around? Fundraiser? Do you know? Um, you know what? I’m not sure about feeds? I don’t i don’t believe there are. I’m not sure how the what their business, um, plan is in terms. Of back-up you know, making yeah, how they were living. Okay, okay, well, listeners can look att fundraiser inside facebook. What else is going on in facebook? Um well, there’s, a couple of there’s one called causes spelled just like you think it would be. I’m really less familiar with that even less familiar than i am with fundraiser, but i know that causes is one of those applications have been brought to my attention and it’s big, i mean, it’s got looks like almost nine million likes and so that’s much larger than fund-raising, which actually was only about ten, ten thousand, i think so. No ten thousand what? And ten thousand users, users okay, okay. Causes and causes was founded by a couple of friends of the facebook founder mark zuckerberg. I saw one was his former roommate from harvard and one was a former president of facebook, so they’ve got some ins face-to-face they’ve got a pretty high, high connection att facebook okay, causes anything else going on in inside facebook? Well, it’s probably a lot, but those are the only ones that i really know about, okay? I also found a site called inside facebook dot com, which has a bunch of different sites that that use well, operate within facebook, so obviously use, use that social media tool in conjunction with fund-raising and and other things well, inside facebook dot com. Okay, what else you got? Scott and there’s, one application that actually is a nap for for tablets, actually, little workout smartphones as well, but it works on tablets and that’s called razz mobile that’s r a z mobile dot com and on, you know, it’s one of those things. That’s. Uh, it does cost, although i let me see if i know how much it costs. But it is. It is one of those applications you could walk around with and use in an event you can also integrated into other applications. Facebook, twitter, whatever, whatever else you like, it allows you to basically running your you’re non-profit. I would say it could take a place of a blogged. For instance. Whatever you do on there can be posted as news. You can post it out to your social media. Uh, you’re gonna have your videos to it. All those kind of things plus believe it has a donor management function with it. Yep, it does. So you, khun making appeal, take a poll and ask people to donate when they don’t get it on their tablet or on their smartphone. They can interact directly with it by making donations right there. Okay, so it’s sort of a network unto itself? Yes. Yes. It’s. Uh, well, you know, it’s a cloud based application. So anything that you do connects with everything else. Okay, i did get a question from twitter from live listener. Lynette. Lynette, welcome to the show. Glad you listening. Um, she asked a question going back to the card readers. Scott today, do they allow you to capture the cardholders? Information for non-profits it would be helpful for follow-up communications. Do you know if if you can capture other like, contact info? Uh, that i don’t. I would expect that on the face of it. They probably do not because there’s there’s gotta be some privacy implications there, for instance, is definitely not going to it will capture the information from the swipe it will not save that much i know, and i would think that if you’re using the one that integrates with quicken there’s probably window that pops up, that allows you to, um, to capture additional information, although i’ve never used that, so i really can’t bounce for, but knowing how quick and works a, i would think that that’s probably one of those we’ll be there, okay? Lynette says that she likes the idea of using tablets and card readers for on site donations, but wants to be able to continue the conversation beyond just a donation. I guess in that case, if you’re not able to capture it through the transaction app, you no, get the get the person’s business card, and i always like to make notes on cards after him away from the person. So, you know, for that i would probably put, you know, donation or a dollar sign or something on the card just to remind me that it’s somebody who made a donation and that’s and that’s why i want to follow-up that’s a very you know, old world. Jeez, we’ve been exchanging business cards for for generations. I wish i had something more high tech for you, lynette, but i would say grab the person’s business card if you can’t get it inside the app, well, i can offer one thing on their you’re probably familiar with what evernote and have i ever knowed is a is one of those krauz based applications that will even capture almost anything in every note. But they have an app that you can install that connects with evernote, and i think it’s called people. And so what that allows you to do is bring up every note on your tablet, snap a picture of the person and then put in their contact information right there, so that actually would be a really good application for that. And then ever note, um, i will go into the description of every note because it will do so many, many things, but basically it’s a big storage cabinet for anything we want toe record. Okay, cool there’s a record that as proud of you are part of your event. You can then connect that into your your fund-raising applications as well. All right, lynette, thank you for for that message. That was a direct message from lynette, but of course you can always use hashtag non-profit radio if you want. Teo, connect with us and join the conversation on twitter. Scott, we only have about thirty seconds left. Regrettably went quick. What’s right what’s one more site that that you want to expose people to, uh, here’s one if you don’t, if you can’t find the after what you want and you want something specific, try i not for-profit i not-for-profits dot com. You could make your honor grayce non-profits okay. There you go. We you and i know that you and i have talked about creating your own app. Of course. You gotta make sure it’s, widely known after it’s created otherwise. Nobody’s gonna know that’s if you want to sell it, this would be just for your own use for your own. Whatever application you want to do for non-profit. So this is not a commercial thing that you’ll sell this just something you i got you using internally. Excellent. All right, scott. Thank you very much. Excellent. Scott koegler, editor of non-profit technology news at n p tech news. Dot com, and on twitter he’s at scott koegler. Good to talk to you. Thanks very much, scott. Take your time, lynette live listener lynette, thank you very much for your question and uh and you’re welcome live listeners everywhere over all over the world from new york, new york too where’s, the further star shoe jiri, japan welcome s so happy to have somebody live listeners today next week, beth cantor, author of the network to non-profit and measuring the network to non-profit will we’ll run that interview from fund-raising day next week? And maria semple is back she’s, our prospect contributor and the prospect finder google alerts may be going goodbye maria’s got alternatives for you and of course, next week the sesquicentennial but a low key sesquicentennial. Have you liked our facebook page? 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Metoo hyre hello and welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent, i’m your aptly named host. I want to wish you cog, posca, so make i hope i’m saying happy easter in, i’m trying to say happy easter in hebrew and ah and happy passover in italian is born passat born peskay it’s march twenty ninth, two thousand thirteen and i very much hope that you were with me last week. I’d be disgusted to hear that you had missed irs sale in aisle four o three b evan giller, a founding member of the law firm of giller and calhoun, explained, the i r s is fifty percent off the penalty sale for four o three b retirement plans that are not in compliance. Many plans are not up to code, and this is the year to fix the problems we talked about the common mistakes and what to do and compensation clarity are regular legal contributors jean takagi and emily chan of the san francisco law group, the non-profit and exempt organizations group answer these questions how do you determine what’s reasonable compensation for executives? What happens if camp is excessive? And what’s that automatic penalty that kicks in if you don’t properly disclose benefits. We did a mock board meeting and i walked out remember i had sound effects and everything. I’m amusing myself if you refuse to be amused. I’m amusing myself last week. I want to make something clear. Last week i had said that gary vaynerchuk, gary v you may know him as had been on last week, which would’ve been two weeks ago. He was scheduled to but he had to reschedule for may. Well, have him in may and i just want to make it clear i was not drinking last week. I had recorded the show many weeks ago, back when gary was still going to keep his promise. But then he broke his promise, but he made up for it. We love we love gary. I’m just getting gary in case any of his entourage is listening. We like gary v and he’s coming this week. Discover your brand nadia touma is a brand innovation strategist with clark i mcdowell that’s not an eye there’s no period it’s clark vertical line mcdonnell that’s very dramatic clark vertical line, vertical mcdonald, your brand i’m glad not he’s laughing. She hopefully realizes that i wrote this copy. So i know it’s, not an eye. Your brand goes much deeper than logo in tagline i hope you recognize that what’s the process to discover your brand strategy. And once you’ve found it, how do you manage it? Nadia and i will discuss all that also content marketing scott koegler returns he’s, our regular tech contributor the editor of non-profit technology news what content should you post for consumption? And where should you be putting it? How do you start your content? Marketing scott and i will discuss that between the guests on tony’s take two planned giving is part of your fund-raising team that’s what’s on my block this week, i’ve got some simple ways that planned giving can support the rest of your fund-raising my pleasure now to welcome and introduce nadia christina touma she’s, a brand innovation strategist with clark mcdonnell i guess you know it’s probably supposed to articulate the vertical line. It was an ampersand you’d say clark end, but it’s not supposed to be clark vertical line mcdonnell just clark macdonald that’s where she’s an a brand strategy innovation ist her work is creating and revitalizing brands in our swiftly changing world. She’s on the faculty of the school of visual arts, s via the masters in branding program, where she teaches brand strategy. She has worked with non-profits such as slow food and why i see in the pittsburgh concert society and in college at carnegie mellon university. She had a minor in piano performance, and we’re going to talk a little about that, too. Nadia touma, welcome to the studio. Thanks for having me, tony it’s. A pleasure. Glad to see you laughing already. Very good. Um, co-branding i think there’s a lot of misconceptions about what a brand is. What? What? What is branding? Well, that is a very good question. First one out of the box. Alright. Alright. Complimentary. You could stay the whole hour. With pleasure. Ah, i often get that question. A lot of people don’t quite know what branding is. I have a lot of confusion even within my family and my closest friends there. Not sure exactly what i d’oh. I think the best way to describe branding is to define it as what? It’s not co-branding is not. Ah, brand strategy is not marketing it’s, not advertising its not a logo it’s, not pr. It is actually the foundation. And the strategy is really the backbone of all of those things that it will then effect. So, you know, a brand strategy consists of things like a mission, a vision, reasons for being the dna of what a company and its products stand for you. And then all of those marketing pr efforts are executions off that strategy. All right? And then you have to maintain your strategy once you’ve once you’ve devised it well, not only maintain that’s very important maintain, but also stay relevant and state different. So it requires connection to the world connection to your consumer. You know, the world is not stagnant, and neither should have brand be stagnant. S o you have a very solid foundation, but you have to move with the times as well. Now, how do world renowned brands like apple? You know, nike, how did they create that that aura around them? And you just say apple and people think of steve jobs, and they think of beautiful design and innovation and slightly expensive products. But how did they how did they had to create that well, that’s, really the magic question and that’s, why people like me exist which is to help companies really create that magic, but at a very fundamental level there are couple characteristics that make a brand very strong, one of which is its first of all, that it’s relevant, that it’s relevant to people’s, lives to companies, lives. Another important characteristic is that its distinctive so it has to be relevant. But it also needs to be somewhat unique um, and somewhat special in a way that the delights people there’s also another really wonderful thing that strong brands do, which is they defined categories, and they almost shift culture in a way. So if you think about really strong brands like apple, for instance, you know they’ve really changed the way we interact with the world, with music, with movies, with people, you know, and those very, very strong brands are able to almost do that and shifting culture, which is really cool. All right, so let’s, let’s, bring this to the to the small and midsize non-profit level. You talked about a lot of things in developing the brand strategy, but so let’s let’s. Try to flush this out. How do you how do you start? Toe create your strategy. What? What you want to be? Yeah, and that’s oftentimes the biggest challenges actually understanding. What is it? What is our reason for being? Why do we exist? And that’s challenging? Because a lot of times there might be differing opinions or different objectives within an organization within a midsize non-profit but but every non-profit has a mission statement almost always go to the home page it’s a simple pull down it’s right there in front. They all have a mission and you in a vision. So, isn’t that. Isn’t that the basis or there might even be some the differences of opinion? Despite that? Yeah, i know a lot of times the mission statement it could have been written by, you know, someone who founded it years ago, and it may not be as relevant or the way in which it’s interpreted might not be consistent across people who are making decisions everyday within that organization. Eso when we think about a mission statement it’s, you know, it’s sort of a first level and that needs to be agreed upon, of course, but from there there other components like understanding who were retargeting what’s our consumer, our audience, you know, what exactly do we offer, even from not just a functional standpoint, but an emotional standpoint, even if you’re just a midsize non-profit that’s all very important. S o sometimes mission statements, vision statements are written without those components in mind. And so that’s what needs to be really fleshed out internally, say, a little more about the emotion? Yeah, so you know every organization, whether you know, whether you’re lady gaga or your you know, proctor and gamble, you’re offering functional things, so you’re offering toilet paper or you’re offering entertainment and music, but you’re also offering, and i don’t think lady gaga uses ivory, so probably not right. I don’t think she uses anything anyone else used, but from an emotional standpoint, you also have to deliver something right brands need to make you feel something on dh. So even if your say, you know a local music organization that promotes local talent, there needs to be something emotional that the audience gets from using you. Otherwise you become just purely functional, and a purely functional offering is not a complete brand and we can articulate all the all this i mean, we can pull all this into ah ah, cohesive statement and understanding among all our different constituents are bored are our staff are sea level people, the people who are benefiting from our services, whether they’re students or or the homeless way? Yeah, absolutely. And what’s actually critical when you’re implementing ah, brand vision or a brand strategy is to get buy in from every level of the organization. So everyone who’s doing the accounting? Teo being a spokesperson, teo, you know, being the ceo all need to believe it’s it’s the difference i often tell my students it’s a difference between interacting with a customer service representative it zappos, who clearly believes in the brand to buying something at duane reade and interacting with the checkout person, okay? Or maybe state government, maybe that’s all right, that’s a good example of the other end of the day. Yeah, okay. We’re gonna take a break. We’re going to dive more into detail about how to develop your strategy, what that process is about. So now he has certainly stays with me. And i hope that you do too talking. Alternative radio. Twenty four hours a day. Are you confused about which died it’s, right for you? Are you tired of being tired? How about improving your energy strength and appearance? Hi, i’m ricky keck, holistic nutrition and wellness consultant. If you have answered yes to any of my questions, contact me now at n y integrated health dot com, or it’s, six for six to eight, five, eight five eight eight initiate change and transform your life. Are you concerned about the future of your business for career? Would you like it all to just be better? 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Interested simply email at info at talking alternative dot com buy-in durney welcome back to big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent got tons of live listener love china so well represented. Young jang kun ming chung ching, shanghai, shenyang, wuhan. I’ve been to wuhan and i’ve been to shanghai. Shi on is not there. I was in shi on to where she on left fans behind and she on i thought. But china chinese ni hao. Very nice to have you with us and seoul, korea and day. John korea. Very nice to have you with us on your haserot here in the u s new york, new york. Welcome, smithtown, new york. Welcome. Will smith times at long island, i think i think it’s long island welcome live listen, love tto all those live listeners and more to come. Okay, nadia touma. We’re talking about the importance of branding here. By the way, when you become a partner in your firm, i want you to tell them you want an ampersand before your name. Okay? Not the verdict. I don’t care what kind of equity they offer you a share in the corporate jet. You want not the vertical line. You want to be end too much, really? The memo percent um okay, let’s, go let’s, get into this process a little. Now all these all these constituents need to be involved. You mention from accountants to board members at sea level. Bonem what do we what do we start this this process with if we want to develop our brand well, there’s, just like they’re possibly dozens of definitions of what brand strategist do there’s also many ways in which a process khun begin. I’ll tell you my personal perspective. I truly i truly believe that partnering with whoever you’re working with is incredibly important. So getting together say, your ah brand strategy agency or you’re working on your own, getting together with that client and really sitting down and understanding what’s the issue what’s at stake what do your objectives try to understand? What’s our goal and together as a team really outline what a success look like. You know, it’s really define what those girls look like and parameters, you know, what’s what can we change what’s off limits? You know what can we not touch from there? I think it’s really important to get the perspectives of a lot of different stakeholders within that. Organization and try to understand is there are other inconsistencies among them in terms of what the mission is, what the vision is. Do they see the company going in different directions? Do they see in a different place in five years? What are the different strengths and weaknesses that various parties see? Understanding even that is an insight is to understand what’s our current situation. You know where the inconsistencies, where the commonalities and from there, we can start to create a common goal. So there’s a lot of conversation, a lot of interviewing focus groups. Is that is that it was that all part of this? Well, focus groups come a little bit later. So once you do wanna interview internally and understand what’s going on within, because the change will have to happen from within. So getting a good read on that is really the first step. Okay on, i did survey listeners before the show on dass cked in the past five years, have you given considerable thought to your brand strategy? A little more than half said yes. About close to sixty percent said yes. And then about fourteen percent said no and about a third said, i’m not sure what brand strategy means i better listen to the show, so i hope those listen, i hope you’re on. I hope they’re either in china, japan or smith down listening, all right, but no more than half have feel that they have given a lot of thought within the past five years. Well, i think in the past five years, there’s been a sea change in the perspective of brand strategy. I’ve seen it absolutely well, i think that brand i mean it’s still a nebulous term that clearly people aren’t quite sure what it means. I think that there’s been quite a shift recently in going going from financial measures on ly in terms of measuring success to trying to build in metrics that measure the quality of your brand as well. I think cmos and ceos are recognizing the importance of having a strong brand in addition to the bottom line. Now, cmo is a very common term for you, but here on the show we have drug in jail on i would hate wade. You have a female ward for for george in jail offenders cmo so that all the listeners know what you’re talking about, chief marketing officer excellent does a lot of non-profits certainly don’t have cme owes a lot of this falls right on the executive director or maybe a communications and marketing staff but might not be a chief marketing officer. All right, so we’ve gathered all this information from all the different constituents, and i think including importantly, people who are benefiting from the work that we do a zay said earlier, whether they’re students or they’re the hungry who you’re feeding the batter to your sheltering them in there, they’re certainly included, we have all this information. Now what? How do we coalesce this what we’re looking for, right? So i think that once we’ve understood what’s going on internally, we want to then turn r r face toe to the outside world and understand who are we affecting? So is that the hungry? Is that students and decide who was it really that were after? And i don’t mean after in a predatory sense, i mean, in terms of who’s, our audience, who are we trying to read? That’s actually an incredibly important part of it to really define that target audience on and i don’t just mean to finding it in terms of demographics, so you hear a lot of terms thrown around, like males eighteen to thirty four or moms with kids or the baby boomers. The reality of it is that each of those groups has shades and shades of different types of people so it’s more important to understand. Are you looking at moms with kids who are into organic food or, you know, are you looking at males eighteen to thirty four who are married and, you know, working full time or are things like that that that add texture to who you’re looking at and then it’s important to understand? Let me ask you when you’re doing that? Do you ever devise hypothetical people? Absolutely had guests? I’ve had two guests in the past. You have talked about that for in terms of marketing strategy. Yeah, about that oh, that’s. Incredibly important. So we call them creating personas on dh it’s. Really? It’s it’s wonderful to do with clients. Because i think one of the pitfalls of working all the time with inman organization is you start to see your audience as a number or, you know, a cell. In an exception, a stereotype of some complete stereotype and it’s. Amazing to see the way in which top level executives will react. Teo very well fleshed out persona and what i mean by persona is outlining the person as if they truly were a person. What do they like to do in their free time? What brands do they use in other categories? That’s incredibly important. What’s their education level. Where did they go to school? Where do they like to vacation? And you really bring that person toe life and they become someone that is relatable. And in that sense, i think you create better solutions, theun just saying, while we need to increase exp i twenty five percent and why by sixteen percent do you give those personas? Name’s? Vivian? Oh, yes. Oh, yes. And a lot of work goes into that is, well, really the name? Yeah, sure. We’re okay. All right, all right. So i made you tigress labbate because that’s interesting cause the other guests i said have made the same point sabat so we’re coalescing this invention that we’re going outside. Are we doing interviews with with these potential personas? Were trying to meet people who fit the description of these different personas absolutely, i think that the most important thing to do is to talk to your consumer, and it’s really brings it to life. You, khun do surveys. My personal preference is to go out into the world and really interact with who you’re going to be speaking with on dh that could be done in a variety of ways. So ethnography zehr quite popular, and that means don’t get into that jail again, jack in jail ethnography xero when you go into the audience is natural habitat really so to speak? So if you’re studying, you know the way in which people consume alcohol, you might be going to bars or their homes before they go out. If you’re, you know, studying perhaps skin care, you might go and observe someone shopping for skin care. So you really want teo me? Clearly, it won’t be a pure experience because you’re their jotting down notes and you know, you’re obviously observing, but you do get to see those those nuances that you might you might not get if you’re in a focus group facility. Not to say that those air not incredibly valuable because they are one of the things you get from focused group that you don’t get in other types of qualitative research is that you get social interaction, so you’re watching people react to things, and then maybe another person says something that sparks another thing, and then someone else builds on that and you start to get these incredibly rich insights from whatever stimulus you’re bringing in. Nadia touma is a brand innovation strategist with clark mcdole, which you’ll find on the web at clark with no, no, eat the end. Mcdowell, m, c d o w a l l clark macdonald, dot com what types of questions are you asking these people? Well, that all really depends. It depends on the objectives of what you’re trying to find out. So if you’re if you’re doing just straight consumer package good type research such as skin care, alcohol or you nutrition shake or something of that nature you’re trying to understand really the needs behind it. One of the things that is let’s think let’s, bring it to a non-profit sure you’ve worked with a music and arts group in the past. Yes, i suppose it is. A small arts group. What what? What are we trying to find out from their their their constituents? Eso for example, for this small arts organization that i worked with, they sponsored and showcased local classical musicians in a recital setting. And they were having an issue with their audience. There wasn’t enough of coming to these recitals. So really it’s it’s not just saying, why are people not coming to a recital? That’s sort of just scratching at the surface? What you really want to try to understand or what are those unmet needs that is, is prohibiting them from coming, right? So what are those barriers that miss making people do something else rather than come here? And i think that’s really actually across the board what you want to find out and that’s incredibly challenging because people don’t know what they don’t want. So it’s very hard for them to tell you what they’re looking for, why they chose something else, exactly, or its group or a college why they chose it. Okay, so how do you start to get to this s o that’s? Really? Where the art meets the science it’s really that’s when you have to really sit down and create a solid methodology, and what that means is you really need to thaw. I almost think about what you’re trying to get first and work your way backwards. So if i’m trying to understand, you know what is really driving? Ah, consumer, not to go to our side and go to a football game instead really try to break that down in a way that gets sort of a roundabout way to get to them. You would never ask them. Why are you going to the football game rather than the recital? You’re trying to understand it a deeper level? What is that that makes them feel fulfilled? What is it that makes them feel happy with their free time? And then you have to do a lot of the back work to fill in those gaps. This is very esoteric. It’s. We call them leaps there you really have? Tio i almost asked around the question and look at that negative space in a way, and then make those connections to understand what’s missing. Okay, so all right, so now you’ve got your internal constituents, your external constituents. You’ve made some leaps. In judgment, there must be some kind of testing of what of the leaps that you’ve made, and the the early conclusion that you’re starting to draw? Absolutely. And this is when you bring it all together. So as you said, we spoke internally. We understood what was going there. We understand what’s going on in the outside world. And then now you need to bring it together and say, okay, what makes sense here if we have x and y parameters internally and this is what success looks like? And then this is the opportunity that we’re seeing in the outside world. How do we marry the two? How do we make a solution that makes sense given constraints, opportunities, but the organization and then what we see, as you know that that really juicy white space in the outside trying to bridge this gap you are between opportunity and on reality. Exactly. Okay, and so a lot of times, what will happen is you might have you might find these incredibly lofty, wonderful opportunities out in the world. And then what ends up happening is you do have to bring them down to earth based on what’s, actually. Possible on then. So there’s a process of testing on then what? What’s the end result of all this that’s a great question. Another one? Yeah, two out of twenty five. So it can take the shape of any number of things so it might end up being just a brief, you know, a word documentary, power point dahna document or it could be something that’s a little bit more of emmanuel, but essentially, what you’re giving is a set of guidelines. So, you know, you you should recount the journey that you’ve taken with the client so they can see how do we get here? You know, what does that look like? And then once you’ve told that story, you outlined things like, ok, what is our positioning mission vision statement? What does it look like when we apply that to our pr? What does that look like when we apply that to our visual identity? How do we talk about ourselves? All of these sorts of sort of guidelines to help you talk about that strategy that you’ve created? How do we talk about ourselves in terms of actual words and maybe stories that we tell or or things like that? Yeah. I mean, it’s it’s, all those executions i talked about at the beginning of our conversation. You know, what is advertising look like? What is marketing look like? Not from a here is a an ad, but thank you. Here are here’s a type of language you should be using here. The types of colors you should be using. The tone, the personality, all of these things that affect the way someone might interpret your brand. How do you feel that, uh, musical performance overlaps with with the work that you’re doing? How does that inform your work? Well, i would say that generally speaking toe work and brand, you just have to be curious. Keep your eyes open, be interested in a lot of different things because you have to make a lot of esoteric connections all the time. So music is just one of those other things that sort of opens your eyes and ears and fingers and a very different way exactly. And share what? What it is that you love about the work that doings. Clearly, you enjoy it very much. Very passionate about it. What? What is it that moves you? About what you’re doing, you know it, it’s it’s incredibly interesting because you are studying people and you’re studying societies and how people feel about things and make decisions, you know, ultimately, companies really are creating products and services for a changing world, and that means that you have to study the world and study interactions and connection and what you love about all that it’s incredibly interesting to be a part of and does the nature of the business is you’re always working on a different type of industry and a different type of consumer. So you’re always learning, you know, deeply about a lot of different types of things, thanks very much for being a guest, not here. Thank you for having me. Pleasure. Nadia touma is a brand innovation strategist with clark mcdowell at clark mcdowell dot com right now we take a break, and when we come back tony’s take two about plant e-giving as part of your fund-raising team. And then scott koegler returns and he and i are going to talk about content marketing. Stay with me. You couldn’t do anything to getting dink dink dink dink. You’re listening to the talking alternative network. Get him! Nothing. Good. Are you suffering from aches and pains? Has traditional medicine let you down? Are you tired of taking toxic medications, then come to the double diamond wellness center and learn how our natural methods can help you to hell? Call us now at to one to seven to one eight, one eight three that’s to one to seven to one eight one eight three or find us on the web at www dot double diamond wellness dot com. We look forward to serving you. Hi, i’m lost him a role, and i’m sloan wainwright, where the host of the new thursday morning show the music power hour. Eleven a m. We’re gonna have fun. Shine the light on all aspects of music and its limitless healing possibilities. We’re gonna invite artists to share their songs and play live will be listening and talking about great music from yesterday to today, so you’re invited to share in our musical conversation. Your ears will be delighted with the sound of music and our voices. Join austin and sloan live thursdays at eleven a. M on talking alternative dot com. You’re listening to the talking alternative network. Oppcoll hi, i’m kate piela, executive director of dance, new amsterdam. And you’re listening to tony martignetti non-profit radio. Big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent. Welcome back time for tony’s take two at roughly thirty two minutes into the hour. My block this week is planned e-giving is part of your fund-raising team i’ve got there five strategies for using planned giving to help other parts of your fund-raising there’s no reason that plan giving should be silo or blackbox. It should be supporting all your different fund-raising methods on you will fund, for instance, when you’re meeting a planned e-giving prospect, certainly you want to know ahead of time whether they participate in the annual fund and if they have been giving annually, you want to thank them and if it’s appropriate asked them for an increased gift to the annual fund if they’re not participating annually. It’s appropriate to ask why? Maybe there’s objections that you can help to overcome and and find a new annual donor that’s one that’s one way of helping the annual fund corporate support, maybe corporate sponsorship if you know in advance or you learn in the meeting, that person works for a company asking about the possibility of corporate sponsorship. Not that they would be the decision maker, but maybe they’ll make the introduction to who the decision maker is and that entree is always valuable now than being strictly a cold call to that office. So there are lots of ways that plan giving khun support other types of fund-raising i’ve got more ideas on my block. The post is called planned e-giving is part of your fund-raising team and that’s at tony martignetti dot com and that is tony’s take two for friday, the twenty ninth of march, the thirteenth show of the year. Where did march go before we bring scott on? I want to send more live listener love we’ve got guangzhou, china and nokia, finland and porta vallarta, mexico. Now, if i can figure out if we can identify those cities, how come it’s united kingdom? Why is that? We don’t even know the country and uk? Yeah, you well show you irish english, we don’t know what i’m going to say you’re you’re welsh because that’s the least likely so welcome from wales and if you’re not in wales, why is your what is your identity, your location being masked? We don’t want your street address, but certainly country would be nice, scott koegler welcome, i’m doing terrific, scott koegler we know him he’s, the editor of non-profit technology news, which you’ll find it and p tech news, dot com he’s, our regular tech contributor, and this month we’re talking about content marketing what do we mean? Marketing? Yeah, what do we mean by this? You know, i actually for a different name for that, i call it authority marketing because it’s really, you know, you’re trying to, uh, trying to put for information about things that you know about your so you’re asserting your authority and you’re letting the people that you talk to, hopefully that read, whatever it is you’re doing, i know that you are authoritative on then the short part of that is that you’re not really selling, although, you know, being an authority and something means that hopefully people will come to you when they need answers and when they need services and products, i see that that’s what we’re talking about, okay, authority marking is a little more more descriptive and and what would a, uh, what types of things would non-profit want to be demonstrating authority in? Well, you know, the short answer there is the things that the non-profit is about so the cause the methodologies they’re using again any anything that they that they know about so that’s kind of across the board for non-profits and also for-profit type organizations. But non-profits can talk about just all the things that they do. So it’s, you know, it’s putting forth your message in a non marketing kind of away. Okay, so you and i have talked in the past about surveying people to find out what their interests are. There might be value in doing that to find out what about your work or related to your work interests them? Sure, sure. You know, you always want to get feedback from your constituents. And sometimes you get feedback from from a survey. That’s that’s a very good way to go. You know that your percentage of respondents varies all over the place. You know, i’ve had i’ve had anywhere from one percent. Twenty percent response rate course, twenty percent is great. But it’s it’s tough to achieve. Yeah, has to be something very, very interesting to them. And you might heat, you know, so that maybe a second or third generation of your of your survey, you know, kind of homes in on those issues now, but you know, another way to get feedback on what’s interesting is to get feedback on as comments on articles that you post in a block and those you generally get significantly less percentage, but those are typically more insightful. They’re more direct, you know, you know that they’re interested in that particular topic because, well, they read the article on they’re responding to it. So it’s very good way to get get responses. Now you have an article at n p tech news dot com, which says that only we have a number of articles, of course, a couple you do, but this one specifically says that sixty nine percent of non-profits are not blogging. Yeah isn’t in that stunning in this age of every you know, every schoolkid has a blogger and, you know, uh, it’s tough to imagine that, you know, almost, uh, almost three quarters, certainly two thirds of non-profits are not putting out a block, so, you know, i won’t say shame on them, but shame on well and our listeners are consistent with that. One of the poll questions i ask before the show is is your non-profit blogging at least. Twice a month that’s not even very common, but i made it a low threshold twice a month and seventy one percent said no interest. Only fourteen percent said yes, the other fourteen percent they didn’t know. So this is very consistent, actually with with what your article is just within a couple of points dahna way believe that the block is a good place for all this content. How do you do get started with your block? If you’re in that sixty nine or seventy one percent is not doing it. I will say that it’s not surprising that the number is so high because even though the technology for putting together a blogger is really easy and really available and even free and i’ll talk about the specifics in just seconds, the time to do the blog’s is a very scarce commodity. You no way talk about operations and and events and all the things that have to go into a non-profit and there are a couple of things that are critical to writing a block one is the time to write the second thing is the ability to write, you know, cogent phrases and just, you know makes things that are right, things that are interesting on getting somebody to actually be consistent. So those three things are, you know, probably the killer’s toe actually producing a block on a consistent basis. So that’s one thing that’s this very difficult, overcome and that’s why a lot of organizations or maybe something not as many as we might think, actually hyre out there blogging, and they get professional writers or managers to produce content for them and manage the the website, the block, whatever it’s called and send for them, you could try soliciting content from your constituents could, whether they’re the people benefiting from your work. Or maybe if you’re a bigger organization, maybe some of your employees can contribute. I don’t have to be writing right could be video absolutely there’s all kinds of different blogging tools now one of them and we’ll just kind a segway into this. Yeah, you know what? We talked earlier about pinterest that was a couple months ago on dh pinterest, you know, i mean it’s really a blocking platform, but it is a way to put out dahna typically images or videos of of information that’s of interest to the organization and to the constituents. Another one that you well, let’s, step on pinterest, pinterest is not all that time consuming. Because you can be. You can upload your own content, but you can also be out on the web. You find something that’s interesting, relevant to your work. You you just pin it to a board using the earl. Great it’s it’s. Very quick and easy. The good thing about it is that it it keeps it can keep a consistent exposure. Uh, that if there’s a negative, i would say that it’s it really is not generally original content. It’s something that you you found and shared, right? Right. But it’s it’s bad, but it’s not really blogging, right? No. Right. But it’s jemaine to your work. And could be interesting to your constituents who are interested in the work that you do, right. And what you just said there is, you know, being interesting to constituents. That’s really the key to any of these you’re you’re content curator of of content, and you become an authority, hopefully within your within your sphere, right? I think, you know, tend to touch on that authority issue if you’re if you’re pinning some content that’s not your own, uh, that maybe, you know, kind of the reverse of becoming the authority. Okay, you’re a curator and that’s a good thing. So you’re bringing things of interest, but you haven’t really added to the authorities factor. So somebody who’s actually interested in what you pinned is just going to click on that pin and jump to the site. That weird originated, so i’d be careful of their, you know, but it is a place to get exposure. All right? Let’s, talk about the block you had. You have some suggestions about getting started with blogging? Yeah. One of them you talked about was was tumbler and tumbler is, i guess, it’s a version of interest and that it’s, highly visual. Um, but you actually can post content there. You can also curate it and post. So on it’s a free it’s, a free resource. You could just create a account you can upload pictures of your events. You can upload text about whatever it is that you’re doing. So so that’s. Ah, relatively easy way to get in. It’s, it’s, inexpensive and fur and supposes cheap on dh free i think? Yeah. Okay. And that’s t u m b l r write the word tumbler without the okay. Okay, so, yeah, i would suggest that maybe uneasy. Wait for an organisation to get in where there really isn’t any there’s. No overhead. It’s, quick and easy, todo. Now, wordpress is very popular, but that’s that’s maura, traditional type written blogged, right. Uh, correct. Right. Word press is probably the white, most rightly used blogging platform, although there are plenty of others but that that could be for you can actually do a you can set up your own wordpress block account by going tio it’s. Um, we’re press dot com, actually. And you could get the free option and start with that. And so you can set that up and you can actually just start to write articles. You can write the articles right within wordpress and just click save and it’s published so it’s very, very simple todo right there there are elaborate wordpress blog’s but you don’t have to shoot me not to start. You certainly shouldn’t start there. You start seeing i would say start with just the three one and go from there add content had pictures. If you have videos, you could do, those two do. Although the free site has restrictions on, you know how much you can actually upload and save to the site. Okay, we’re going to take a break, and when we come back, we’ll talk a little about maybe creating cem video, that’s, that’s, simple to do, because that could be compelling authority marketing. Now i’ve had to change. The name of the segment accommodates got from content marketing now already marketing that’s. Ok, i’m flexible, you flexible, dammit! All right, we could take a break. 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All right, scott koegler let’s, talk a little about video because video, you know, you and i have talked about this before, it doesn’t have to be high production phones that take shoot video are so common you could arm your employees or your other constituents with the phone, maybe at an event or maybe just on their own. This could be good authority, content authority, marketing, absolutely. And it’s uh, sometimes actually, most of the time, it turns out to be very current because the videos, as you just mentioned a lot of time, shot with their with their cellular cell phones with their smartphones, and we’re even just any kind of digital camera now takes video. Uh, of course, the smartphones. You, khun, take the video posted almost live on, you know, the face of people like to see themselves and people that they know so particularly had events. I saw one organization that recently kind of they turned around the old thing about putting the the, you know, the throwaway camera on the table? Yeah. And they put a card on the table that says, use your cell phone, uh, shoot a video and uploaded here, and they got i think they were just overwhelmed. They think they’ve got a couple of hundred up loads. So, you know, that’s good and bad, right? How do you use and select the ones that you wanted? But it did. It proved the point that it was a very popular option and something that people would engage with immediately. So just kind of take that idea further. What do you do with that? Um, you can either download those those videos and create a kind of a montage using your own software, or you don’t have to do that. You can actually use tools within youtube to, uh to mash up your videos on create, you know, kind of an overview doesn’t have to be ah long or complex or even, you know, two super high quality just paste a bunch of pieces together, right? You to diligently, of course, youtube has editing editing tools right now. There’s a sight that we know one listener maria simple likes because we know maria because she’s, a regular contributor and you talked about this site almost a year ago on a moto for video. Exactly an emoto is great. Um and, uh, i mean, what it does is it allows you to use both video and still images and create a you know, we’ll call it a video, and it actually is a video. Even if you have images there, uh, there’s basically photos, and it does very complex transitions. You can overlay text on it. You can overlay background music on becomes very engaging. So, you know, in a matter of probably ten minutes, you can produce one of these things. Yeah. Maria maria has been using it for a non-profit that she volunteers with, but she heard about it from you first. And like i said now, it’s been close to a year she’s using it all right? And we’re just, you know, a free tool that’s simple to use and, you know, sort of quick and dirty video that can be can be moving or informative, right, exactly an authoritative and that, again, just the good kind of go back to that word that’s really, what we’re trying to do here is to increase the believability that you’re just you’re not just somebody out there trying to raise a few bucks for, for who knows what you know, but you are actually an organization. You have a purpose, you know what you’re talking about, and it gives the people that you’re communicating with something teo grab onto teo to associate with and maybe even to, you know, get it personally and personal involvement with well, there you go, that’s that’s what this is all that we were trying to engage, we’re trying to have a connection, a dialogue so that you become affiliated with the work well aware of the work and then hopefully become affiliated with the organization, maybe as a volunteer, maybe as a donor, maybe just as a spokesperson and an advocate on the web right? Absolutely. And you know right back to the blogging section. And you mentioned, you know, get some of your constituents, your volunteers, whatever to to contribute content. If you have a relatively large organisation, you have a much better chance of getting, you know, five or ten individuals who are able to contribute something. If you could get them each to contribute something every two months, even you’d have a you have something to become consistent with. Consistency is one of those things that really counts. Okay, on dh there’s, your there’s, your sort of army of advocates and and volunteers. I mean, you may never make that. You may never meet the people, but if they’re contributing content once in a while, they’re supporting your work. Exactly. Exactly. We did have a correction for you, scott. The forward press sight is its wordpress dot or ge. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Well, i got sign up. Dot wordpress, dot com uh, so if you want to go directly to the sign up, but you’re right, wordpress dot or ge is where you go first. I am sorry. Okay? That’s okay. Okay. No, no, no. All right, but sign up. Dot wordpress dot com. But if you want to go directly toward press and learn more about it, that would be wordpress dot org’s. Okay, now you what? You’re trying to be an authority buy-in and i really messed up well, but i want to help you. It’s xero there only nine thousand dollars will do good. Only nine thousand people listening. Well, no. Nobody listens to this show. So it’s not gonna matter. It doesn’t matter what you say. Any closing thoughts you want to leave people with in their authority? Marketing? Um, i would say it’s it’s something that really people are hungry for, even though there’s plenty to read on the web. Uh, you know, the old thing, you know, you can’t publish anything. It is untrue. It’s untrue. On the web, right? Yeah, of course. But i would say just along with that, if you if you plan to go into this one of your main goals, should be to be consistent and to do it on an ongoing basis, you know, putting up one post every three months just is not really gonna do anything. It’s. Probably worse than doing nothing. Scott koegler is the editor of non-profit technology news at n p tech news. Dot com and scott remind us what your twitter ideas it’s xero scott koegler course spelling koegler is not easy. So it’s seo t k o e g l e r all right, scott, thank you very much, but with this, we’ll have you back next month. Thanks doing my pleasure. Thank you. More live listener love, new york, new york, memphis, tennessee and richardson, texas live love to all of you hope you’ll be with me next week when we’ll be talking about talk between the generations. Phyllis weiss haserot is a consultant in cross generational communication. Ines boomer boss in a general i worker gen x boss and a boomer worker how about a general i fundraiser and a boomer or boomer plus donor? 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Melanie Schnoll Begun, managing director of Morgan Stanley Private Wealth Management
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Dahna hi there, it’s. Tony martignetti non-profit radio big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent on september twenty eighth twenty twelve i’m your aptly named host. I do hope you were with me last week. Yes, i do. It was a bonanza alliances remember we had the true italian roseanna imbriano principle of our eye consulting encouraged you to secure strategic alliances that expand your marketing and save your marketing budget because they cost you nothing and claire’s cliches. Claire meyerhoff returned she’s, principal of the planned e-giving agency creative director of this very show, we talked about cliches for you to avoid and simpler words to replace them with. I didn’t have the heart to put her in jargon jail because she created it this way. The law of attraction to attract a major gift prospects and potential board members, you have to put your best foot forward to get what you are seeking. Melanie schnoll begun is managing director at morgan stanley private wealth management. She helps her ultra high net worth clients make charitable gif ts and get on boards, but she also has practical and valuable experience and advice that applies to any charity soliciting. A major gift or recruiting a boardmember and this interview with melanie was originally aired on april twentieth, two thousand twelve. Show also private benefits not dirty, but bad rules against private in your mint i like that word in your mint. Yeah, private in your mint xs benefit transactions and private benefit we’re not thinking friends with benefits private benefits these things keep your charity operating for the public good. Emily chan from the non-profit and exempt organizations law group is our monthly legal contributor, and she will explain the rules between the guests on tony’s take two my block this week one more week still seven tips for small shop planned e-giving because i think it’s important and i’ll talk about one of those tips are you on twitter while you’re listening? You could be if you open up another window, don’t don’t close the window you’re listening on now because you’ll lose me, but if you want open up another browser window on twitter, you can join the conversation there using the hashtag non-profit radio we’re about to take a break and then we’re going to go right into my interview with melanie schnoll begun, but first i gotta send live listener love to takashi in japan. Takashi, japan, newport, rhode island, and minneapolis, minnesota. Live, listener love going out to all of you. Stay with me after this break, it’s. 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Hi, i’m donna, and i’m done were certified mediators, and i am a family and couples licensed therapists and author of please don’t buy me ice cream are show new beginnings is about helping you and your family recover financially and emotionally and start the beginning of your life. We’ll answer your questions on divorce, family, court, co, parenting, personal development, new relationships, blending families and more. Dahna and i will bring you to a place of empowerment and belief that even though marriages may end, families are forever. Join us every monday, starting september tenth at ten am on talking alternative dot com. You’re listening to the talking alternative network. Schnoll durney welcome back to big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent on tony martignetti non-profit radio with me now is melanie schnoll begun. She is a managing director and head of morgan stanley private wealth, management’s philanthropic services. She serves as a philanthropic advisor to families, foundations and family offices, working with the firm’s, ultra high net worth clients. She’s, the incoming board president of the juvenile diabetes research foundation of new york and bored treasure of the partnership for philanthropic planning. My show has been a sponsor at there. National conference on philanthropic planning the past two years. I’m very pleased that her work and her expertise brings her to the show. Melanie schnoll begun welcome. Thank you so much, tony. Just one correct that’s why i’m the current oh, you’re the could hurt the president of the board of juvenile diabetes research funding. I have to say that because the topic today that we’re gonna be talking about if i didn’t correct you about my party particular officer position on a board, i wouldn’t be selling the reason why i said or or why i think it’s so important to serve for constance he believe in so this is why i need an intern we’ve built you and i would both blame the intern, and it wouldn’t have reflected on you badly at all. What is your work around with ultra high net worth individuals? What are you doing with them? Well, i think that my work is providing meaning in their life. Many of our clients come to us because they’re in the middle of a transition. Perhaps they’ve sold their business, maybe there’s some interesting event that’s happened in their life, perhaps even a very sad event. That’s happened their life, and we help them identify how to be very strategic, purposeful and planned in there, giving for many clients when they think about making a contribution, even a large contribution, they don’t put a tremendous amount of thought into it. It might be a cause that they’ve heard about maybe one that they’re associated with, but they’re not doing a deep dive into the background and the backdrop of what’s really going on in that non-profit organization or what else there might be out there in the world, so we try and provide that professionalism, and then along the way, make our clients professionals. Themselves. What? What? What do you find motivates ultra high net worth and shortly, i’m gonna ask you, what is ultra high net worth? But we’ll work our way to that. But what do you think motivates their giving? Well for some clients, it’s because someone sick in their family for other clients, it’s because they’re say little more about that someone sick where the e-giving in memory of the person soon will be a memory will hopefully to find a cure. Hopefully the final work usually clients witness a major keynes in their attitude. What they used to buy with their wealth no longer becomes important and that’s because the second that someone has a diagnosis in their family of someone who’s ill the only thing they’re thinking about is identifying better treatment and perhaps secure. So we find often that we come to the philanthropic table with someone who has just been given that diagnosis scammer and is looking for the solution where so many of us just our resource is we go to the web and we learn as much as we can, but when we’re talking about people with extraordinarily extraordinary wealth that can actually invested. In a possible cure that’s what they want to buy it, they want to buy the cure. I think what’s shocking and disappointing in many instances is that clients, no matter how wealthy they are, find out that they can’t necessarily buy everything. So it is that deep investment for the long term, perhaps not even for the benefit of their family member who might be ill but for others to find a cure better treatment. Better resource is that might bring some of our clients to the table. Others are just deeply invested in their community. They want better cultural organizations. They want better education for their kids. Certainly in new york, that’s a very big issue about private school, public school. And as your children are going through that educational problem situation, where are there enough of fine schools in new york to send our kids to? In many instances, they find that they that there’s not so. Our clients are interested in identifying. How can they be the solution to the educational drama issue? We have just a couple minutes before break. What? What what’s the definition of ultra high net worth. What is how much money? Are we talking about, well, a lot more money than i have? I’ve always said that i really hope to one day be able to be my own client, but for us, ultra high net worth is really defined as clients who have a net worth of twenty five million and more. The reality is that it’s a very open span for those clients, though, with twenty five million and mohr, they usually have a significant out a significant amount of money that they could do something incredibly impactful with their philantech, um, on how much i’m wondering, how much does somebody who has that kind of wealth walk around within their wallet, like, like i have typically, like thirty or forty dollars in my wallet, but so i would probably not be confused for ultrahigh worth of net worth. If someone stole my wallet, i probably wouldn’t i probably couldn’t get away with that, but, you know, like, how much do you think they have just on an average day in the well, how much do you think that carry around? Probably probably no cash. I think that i think that most about very wealthy people typically put most their stuff on cards today. So you know what? Actually, i would go after your wallet if i knew that you were on the street. So just watch thirty or forty bucks, so i was ready. I was ready to go, like, three or four hundred in my wallet, and then it almost be worth it to lose that much if i could get two muggers to think that i’m ultra high net worth. Yeah, yeah. Now they would share the story of the ultra high net worth guy, you know, among their prison friends. And i could, you know, get known that way. But i’m going about it the wrong way. You got to go down so well, no cash. Now, we need to talk about prison reform as faras labbate. Right? So so how can you make sure that those who come out of prison then are better off than when they went in and are telling the story of twenty martignetti being ultra? Yeah, absolutely. We have to take a break when we return. Of course melanie schnoll begun stays with me, and we’ll continue talking about the law of attraction. So i hope you stay with us talking alternative radio twenty four hours a day. Are you stuck in your business or career trying to take your business to the next level, and it keeps hitting a wall? This is sam liebowitz, the conscious consultant. I will help you get to the root cause of your abundance issues and help move you forward in your life. Call me now and let’s. Create the future you dream of. Two, one, two, seven, two, one, eight, one, eight, three, that’s to one to seven to one, eight one eight three. The conscious consultant helping conscious people. Be better business people. 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Interested simply email at info at talking alternative dot com welcome back to tony martignetti non-profit radio. My guest is melanie schnoll begun, and melanie let’s talk about it. When charity’s air trying to solicit gif ts you have your clients who are ultra high net worth, but you have, i think, very valuable advice for any charity that’s trying to solicit any major gift, which maybe five hundred dollars or thousand dollars for some charities. What what’s your you see sort of faulty proposals a lot, don’t you? Yeah, i think that non-profits believe they understand who the donor is, and they prepare something in advance. That’s a critical error, you never know who that donor is, the famous saying. If you’ve met one philanthropist, you’ve met one philanthropist, so we try and tiki non-profits to perform a radical listening, and that means spending the time to really understand why a donor may want to be a donor to their organization. The time will be incredibly valuable both for the non-profit but even more importantly, for the donor, when a donor has the opportunity to talk about what they care about, why they care about the organization’s mission, you hear things you really hear things inside of that conversation inside the conversation in the donor’s hat so radical listening is a skill that we teach non-profits to practice. And that skill is something that serves both board members. It serves the staff of non-profit organizations, and at the end, you’re really giving a service to a donor. I think that most of my clients find that no one listens to them well enough. Yeah, but but a charity that’s that’s soliciting a major gift. However they define that might feel that they’re not going to get another meeting with this person. They go one shot. We finally got the meeting. We got forty five minutes. Way better. We’ve got to lay it all out because we may never get a second meeting that’s, right? So you walk into every meeting with the idea that if i really listen to this donor, i’m going to get the second meeting. If you walk in with a proposal thinking that you know who this person is and what they want to offer your organization, you’re probably guaranteeing yourself that you’re not going to see that donor again. So does it always work? It may not always work if you begin practicing it. Well, if you spend so much time performing discovery on that donor both in the dance of the meeting and then, while you’re sitting at that meeting, i think over time you’ll find that your practice as a fundraiser will dramatically improve. So you’re suggesting that if you can move the donor while while radically listening, then you’ll get a follow-up meeting brightstep my suggestion is, if you are performing radical listening, you will move the donor, okay, okay, even without introducing your mission and your work in the first in the first meeting, right? Because you’re going to hear from the donor what the donor wants to dio instead of telling the donor with a non-profit wants the donor and you do know there’s a threshold interest, otherwise you wouldn’t have gotten the first meeting would have gotten the meeting would have gotten the meeting. So it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s an important skill it’s something that has been written about andi, i think that we can’t live in that fear fundraisers can’t live in that fear that this is joan, or will not be interested in talking to me again. In fact, most of the conversation is not a conversation most of the conversation is letting that ultra high network don’t talk to you, and you’re just there. To listen or again, it could be any level donor, and i’ve had where we have a regular prospect. Research contributor maria simple is on, and she and i have talked about the value of the face to face meetings, and she’s a professional prospect researcher who knows all the web webb resource is, you know, but she still recognizes that the greatest prospect research comes from a good, good conversation, absolutely and and and and he’s absolutely right face-to-face looking the donor in their eyes. In many instances, i think being on the donor’s being in the donor’s territory so a place where they’re comfortable, where it’s an environment either their office, they’re home, maybe somewhere where they’ve recommended that they like to go for coffee. Usually i recommend going for a glass of wine because, you know, does it doesn’t hurt, but her loosen up? Yeah, exactly. I’ve tried to get sam lee boards to have wine here, but he’s not doing it now you’re not really radical listening, right? I just radically demand thanks, you know, but i’m not a charity, so i think i’m exactly only have third example, everything was but you only have thirty. Dollars you’re while you are charity ticket, you can’t get a decent bottle of wine for thirty bucks. So then the careful listening radical listening is goingto inform your valuable proposal when that when it’s the right time, that’s, right meds and the valuable proposal some hints that we give to non-profits as they’re preparing that that proposal brief three points know what are the key issues that you’ve heard? The donor has said to you, the areas where they’re really interested in supporting on ly talk about those areas, right? Putting in a proposal for stuff that you haven’t heard because the organization needs it, but the donor doesn’t want it what’s the likelihood of that getting funded so three typically are the most that we suggested a proposal going backto a donor that you know what they’re interested in, you’re going to get a much better response. Bilich other tips for the for the proposal itself for the written document, you brief couple pages, right? A couple of pages in fact, most of our clients today, they don’t want to read stuff, right? And they fear that if the non-profit is spending so much time and resource is preparing proposals, then they may not be spending the money that i’m giving to the organization i’m doing. The work so in many instances, it’s brief short. In fact, non-profit should ask the donor. How would you like me to prevent to present a proposal? Is it isn’t even something that you want in writing? Or should we just have another conversation? I would welcome that second conversation so that now the second meeting, the donors prepared to do their own radical listening, right? Is there a problem? Sometimes when a donor gets sort of passed off from somebody who knows the work very well to the fund-raising professional who’s goingto the closer it’s like it’s, like in a in a car dealership going to which i have very bad memories of a child. Buying my first car was awful, but at a car dealership going from the salesmen to the finance manager exactly going that office and the door gets closer, you know, but being passed from the maybe the executive director or someone who knows the work well to the closer, the fundraiser doesn’t something get lost there sometimes. Yeah. What? What gets lost is the gift. So no one wants to be handed off everyone in that non-profit organization, both from voluntary leadership to professional. Staff should be able to talk about programming if the executive director is the one who has contact with that donor. If it’s a boardmember who has the contact with that donor, or if it is the professional fundraiser that has the contact with that donor, the conversation could be between those two people bringing others include others in the conversation. But don’t hand a donor. Roth. I have ah ah, client situation that happened with a large university hospital. Incredible organization doing tremendous work. And this client’s unfortunately this this medical institution was not able to save the life of our client’s husband. But he wanted to honor him. She wants to memorialize him. And the doctor who was treating her husband was the individual that he wanted to leave a contribution for. So that he could continue doing the great work that he began with her clothes with her with her husband. Many of the conversations happened between her and the doctor. It was intimate. She could see clearly what she wanted to accomplish. And then when it came down to the clothes, she was handed to a development director. Ah, fine development director. Someone who’s spent years. In the business. But it was so disconnected and she felt that were there. Were you there for the meeting? So i was there after the fact also, i came in to help save the gift. Okay? And we this this donor-centric working with us after he felt that brush off from the doctor and it was completely unintentional. So totally unintentional. It’s just protocol just about innocuous handing off. But it’s, the way things are done, he wasn’t supposed to close that’s someone else’s responsibility. So what? I teach both boards as well as professional staff, it’s, everyone’s, responsibility clothes. If you’re the one who has the relationship, you need to be confident enough to make the ask. And you need to be prepared enough too close. And if it’s, i guess if it’s a really technical gift which it could be a large dollar amounts, then at least include the in your case, the doctor but generally the program the work expert in the conversations don’t leave him or her out in the hall while now the professional closer, you know, goes through his is her stick that’s, right? And you know it. The attorneys thie accountants all the financial advisor’s. All of those professionals need to play a role in the process if the donor wants him to be included in the conversations about the specifics of the gift that’s great, but there’s the technical aspects of giving and then there’s the emotional aspects of giving and what i see getting lost. It’s, it’s, it’s never technique, right? You could draft a perfect trust. It could be absolutely accurate. The document itself could get an a plus plus in any fine law school. But if the donor is not connected emotionally to the gift, it doesn’t matter what the document says. Melanie schnoll begun is managing director, head of morgan stanley, private wealth, management’s philanthropic services and we’re talking about the law of attraction basically had a look good when you’re either soliciting a gift or soliciting someone for boardmember ship, which is what i’d like tio transition to now, okay, appealing to a board appealing to a potential boardmember. Since you’re working with ultra high net worth people, i’m going to guess that sometimes there approached because they’re very wealthy. And how do they feel about that? Yeah, so in the law of attraction, it’s it’s rarely because they’re really good looking now. Many of them might be hot tonight, but it’s usually because they’re wealthy so similar to the idea of marriage. Right? So when i got married, i married for love. I married for looks there’s, you know there’s a little bit of money to that’s all so that’s, always wonderful when you think that before you can say sex on the show is this the part where you were thinking of coming? It’s coming, it’s coming, it’s coming sex is you have to have a little foreplay before sex. So it’s getting there russia you’re right. That’s been my problem. You’re russian it you’re as well among others, but let’s keep it let’s. Keep it focused on alt-right network from latto let’s. Take this conversation on the bed here. Right? Right, right. So the opportunity of creating a marriage between a potential boardmember and an organization it’s incredibly important. So the the reason donors believe that? Serving a non-profit is an appropriate step for them is because they’ve been courted well, it’s, because they find the organization incredibly attractive and good looking it’s because they want to spend a lot of time with that organization because they want to see that organization grow and really achieve incredible impact very similar to marriage alive know the problem with marriage is is half the men in divorce, so the same is true with non-profit port service, you’re excited at the beginning, right? You can’t wait for that next kiss can’t wait for the next date and then quickly within the first year, if the non-profit doesn’t really know how to work well, play well, dine the donor well doesn’t understand where they like to go to how they like to vacation. If the non-profit doesn’t know how to use the donor to his or her maximum capacity, they get bored, they get disenchanted and the worst thing is donors cheats like just like what happens in many families that fall apart, they begin looking at other opportunities that really do want them thinking that it’s better on the other side there feeling remorse about having joined this board. Everything was great in the beginning that right? The honeymoon stage, but about exactly right, exactly right? So spend your time non-profit should spend their time thinking about whether or not this is a person they want to marry. Is this a person that will bring value to this relation? Can we grow together? And what do we each bring to the relationship? It has to be more than just money again, just like many families, right? If all you’re going after is the wealth than a marriage for many, many years will fall apart, you know the boardmember potential boardmember wants to know that they’re going to be used effectively. That’s right? You’ve utilized way. Don’t use board members. We usually large numbers. Okay. Okay. Um, taking over the show? No. She, um let’s. See, so but a lot of times, board charities need an expertise. We need an accountant or we feel we need an attorney. And in some specialty real estate, maybe or something. So they’re seeking that profession. But that is contrary to what you’re recommending. Right? So i think what boardmember sze need to be on? What boards need to do to get the right. People on their team is they have to look for people different than themselves. What happens with most non-profit boards is you look around the board table and everyone’s the same right, because it’s, a friend introducing another friend. They come from similar backgrounds, specially smaller charity it’s, a friend of the executive director of the founder, absolutely especially small non-profits and specifically, when they’re getting off the ground, right. So it’s, the founder, it’s, the founders best friend, its founder, sister, and perhaps someone who worked for them at one point time or an intern. So non-profits really need to think about how can we bring true diversity to our board? Professionalizing aboard must include accountants, financial advisors, lawyers, but you can’t just look at them as a lawyer, you need to look at them as a lawyer that has a mission that there interest must be tethered, if not tied to the nonprofit organization, that they’re a lawyer that’s their skill set. But ultimately we know that even if they weren’t a lawyer, that they really support the work of that organization. I wantto have you bring something out that we had talked about that very wealthy people are not un interested in working for smaller midsize working among being utilized by small and midsize charities. Is that right? Absolutely. I think that many very wealthy clients believe that they can be better utilised in a small nonprofit organization. In fact, that’s where most of their money came from. So the majority of our client base started their own closely held businesses. And they realise what it means to rule up their sleeves to get dirty. They love that kind of opportunity and nonprofit organizations. So when you come into these large non-profit organizations very bureaucratic, very political. So many individuals that look like them. So it is even mohr attractive for wealthy people to see that you know, my gift. We’ll make a significant difference here, but my time may even be more valuable. Tulani schnoll begun is a managing director and head of morgan stanley. Private wealth, management’s philanthropic services. Melanie, thanks very much for being in the studio. Being a guest, tony. Thanks for having me. It’s. Been a pleasure. Got more live listener love tokyo. Welcome. Seoul, south. Korea. Welcome and chandler, arizona, also, and from minneapolis, my thoughts are with you, the very tragic shooting just yesterday. Very sad thinking about you in minneapolis, minnesota. Now we take a break, and when we return, tony’s take to stay with me. Talking alternative radio twenty four hours a day. Joined the metaphysical center of new jersey and the association for hyre. Awareness for two exciting events this fall live just minutes from new york city. In pompton plains, new jersey, dr judith orloff will address her bestseller, emotional freedom, and greg brady will discuss his latest book, deep truth living on the edge. Are you ready for twelve twenty one twelve? Save the dates. 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We’ll be talking about private benefits not dirty, but bad on tony’s take two for my blogged this week is what i mean to be saying i kept up seven tips for small shop planned giving an extra week because i think small shops need encouragement and it’s important. And one of the one of the seven that i’ll talk about this week is just start simple. I had made the point last week that there is great opportunity for small shops and that you shouldn’t be intimidated by planned e-giving the best place to start is very simple gif ts charitable bequests in people’s will and everybody needs a will. Everybody understands what a will is on dh for some small, real small charities that might be the place to stop you might that might be your whole plan’s e-giving program encouraging bequests in a will. If you want to go a little further, you can encourage people to name you as a beneficiary of life insurance policies or their ira or pension. These are all those those air, very simple, being named as a beneficiary. You just encourage your, um your prospects to fill out a change of beneficiary form that they get from the company that administers there, ira or pension, whatever it is it’s very, very simple to do so. One of the seven tips that’s on my block is start simple and my blog’s is that tony martignetti dot com that is tony’s take two for friday, the twenty eighth of september and the forty first show of the year before. Before i bring in emily chan, i gotta send live listener love to my hometown. Well, my current town, new york, new york. Thank you. Finally, we don’t get too many listeners from new york. Where is everybody? Emily chan is a attorney and she is an attorney at neo-sage non-profit and exempt organizations law group, which is in san francisco. She’s, also a principal contributor to the non-profit law blawg she’s, the american bar association’s twenty twelve outstanding young non-profit lawyer i’m anxious to see what she’s going to do in twenty thirteen. You can follow her on twitter at emily chan and i’m very glad that she is one of the regular contributors to the show emily welcome. How are you? I’m doing great. Gene is not going to be with us this week right now. He’s in baltimore right now, working with one of our clients. Okay, so i have ah, costello, but no abbott that’s. All right. Um, we’re talking about private benefits in a moment, but first we want to wrap up a little bit about fiscal sponsorships. There’s a little more. You wanted to leave listeners with from from last month? Yeah, just to wrap it up, i think there’s maybe three things that i want to remind listeners about with physical sponsorship. We were able to talk about it in that short amount of time, but it is a very complicated concept, and more often than not, we see people doing it wrong as opposed to write. So if i have three tips for non-profits, that would be one. Definitely. Do your homework. You get that other one. Give me the cold in book on six weeks to do it right. I read about it. Talk to people to make sure that your organization has a process for oversight. That’s a big area where we see organizations dropping the ball. They just practically speaking can’t do it. And then finally, if you are going to enter into physical sponsorship agreement, make sure you get that contract review because that’s defying everything and all of your rights and the terms and conditions that both parties are agreeing to. Thanks very much, emily. Okay, we want to make sure we set the stage correctly for people on fiscal sponsorship now with private benefits. What are we’re not talking about friends with benefits, my innuendo? Because, you know, that’s just the way i think, for some reason, what are we? What are we concerned about with respect to private benefits? Private benefit is really one of the core concept for public charities because they’re organized for charitable purposes for public purposes and deserved charitable classes. So there’s actually three rules that helped to govern organizations to make sure that they’re in compliance with the federal tax laws and keeping there five, twenty three tax exemption, the three rolls are the private benefit doctrine, the private interment doctrine. And then finally, the access benefit transaction roll some hoping today we can just do a kind of a primer on these three rules to give organizations of better understanding about maybe some areas where they’re starting to tiptoe into violation. Okay, it’s. Interesting. You say primer? I say i always say primer, you know, that’s interesting i could do to short out. You do long i interesting. I don’t know which okay, maybe depends where you go to law school. I don’t know. Where did you go to law school. You see hastings, you see hastings university? Okay. I went to philadelphia temple. So could be a different philosophy thing. Maybe prime ing and priming. Ok, let’s, stay prim and proper when our prime ing and priming and talk about the private benefit doctrine what is what is that one? So this is the broadest rule in its applicability. It’s really? Just saying that in order to be organized exclusively and operated primarily for your exam purposes, you need to serve public purposes as opposed to private interests. So what this mean, really? Some examples would be entering into unfavorable or unreasonable contracts with third parties. It may be serving too small. The class of beneficiaries. Okay, wait, wait. Let’s, let ze unpack this little bit for listeners so unfavourable or unreasonable contracts. What? What does that? What does that look like? You? Yeah, so for example, paying more than fair market value for goods and services. Okayo are agreeing to certain terms and conditions that are just to the detriment of the organization, really giving more to that third party than the organization is getting in return. Okay? And that could be any any vendor doesn’t have tto be anybody who has a relationship to the we’re going to get to those but doesn’t have to have any relationship to the charity at this point right in this in-kind benefits and that’s quite the private benefit rules really the broader because we’re talking about any person, just any person out there saying that you cannot serve their private interests. You really deserve that public interest, okay, right, you’re enriching them unreasonably, and so your public benefit is being eroded, right? And it’s currently the iris acknowledges, though you know with e-giving public benefit, there may be some private interests that benefit from that. So the key for the private benefit doctrine is that any private interests that are served, they need to be incidental. So thie irs looks at it both on it qualitative perspective and saying it’s just a byproduct of serving that public benefit as well, quantitative so that private interests being served needs to be in a substantial amount as compared to the public benefit on an example would be an organization chooses to help with the restoration of a lake for public use. Yeah, and there’s certain properties that live around the lake, those properties are going to increase in value if that lake is improved. But that’s a byproduct of fixing this lake so that the public can come in and use it as a public space. And when they compare it, then hopefully thie value that’s being given to these homeowners that live on the lake, hopefully insubstantial as compared to the public benefit that’s being served by fixing this lake. Okay, way sent. I sent live listener love out to minneapolis, minnesota. That could apply right there because it’s, the land of ten thousand lakes that’s very timely example. Very, very bright. You see, hastings, very good law school. You’re the outstanding young attorney in two thousand twelve, so i’m not surprised at all. You’d make that connection. Okay, so is this. So this is sort of related to ensure ensuring your exam purpose the same as what the irs does when they initially evaluate whether you’re entitled to a tax exempt five oh one c three status, right? This is just sort of same evaluation, but ongoing absolutely and so for organizations out there that are applying for their toxic status, private benefit is a big red flag for the irs in delaying the application or maybe even a denial of exemption. So it’s important to understand this when you’re developing your programs and you’re describing it on your application and also thinking into the future about how you’re going to operate, right? It’s not it’s, not enough to just do it at the outset, meet meet, meet the criteria in the beginning, get your approval and then lose. Lose, i guess lew’s mission focus. Really? I mean, you are supposed to be a public charity, right? Public benefit. Ok. And the organization’s record on this well on their annual information returns so that’s another area that even after they get their exemption, that they need to be cognizant of this rule, and understand that their programs need teo being compliant with this doctrine. So it’s part of the form nine ninety or the nine. Ninety easy there’s an explicit question are you serving? Would say no to that? Yeah, the questions they ask, though, certainly can reveal those types of facts. So when you describe your mission or you describe your biggest program on these are the things that will come up also looking at payments, you know what parties do you have contracts with? What kind of relationship you have with them? All of this information just kind of comes out through the form because it asked so many questions. Okay, interested? I want to send live listener love teo someone who joined us from brisbane, australia live love look live love going out to brisbane. Emily, there is, uh, anything else you want to say about the private benefit doctrine that that broadest of the three, i think that’s i think that’s a good start. You feel you’ve exhausted that. Ok, ok, i’m not exhausted. I’m not saying i’m exhausted. I’m just exhausted the topic way, tio. Now you have the prohibition against private in your mint. I like that word in your mitt spelled with an area of course in your mint is that? How you would say in your mentor, do you say in norman? And you would say in your mind, okay, i thought, maybe hastings, you say it differently than, like primary dreamer. Ok, what’s this what’s, this mean private in your mint? So this this doctrine actually comes from the language in five twenty three of the internal revenue code, which says that no part of him, that earnings of the exempt organization can unearth the benefit of any private shareholder or individuals in your and your to benefit right private, individual or shareholder. Okay. In other words, it means that the organization cannot give a disproportionate share of benefit, too. Specific people and what’s different about this rule on the main difference from the private benefit rules. But it’s looking at just a specific group of people what they call insiders, which are persons who are in a position to exercise significant influence over the organization. So directors the officers and directors right? Sanders to write. And so the most common example of where these problems who comes up is with excessive executive compensation because you’re giving a disproportionate share of benefit to someone who has significant this’s something that we see in the press in the in the popular press a lot. Where a million dollars, nine and a half dollars salaries. And meanwhile, the organization’s cutting the programs. Okay, i mean, it’s certainly an important issue, and it does make people very angry. And when they give their money to the station to find out that you know the disproportionate share going to insiders who have control over the organization but to give to be fair to it may not be a disproportionate share. Me, if it’s a big enough charity, a million dollars salary could be very well justified, right? Yeah, absolutely. Andi, we have just just, uh, let you know, we just have a minute before break or so okay. Um, and i just wanted to point out to there’s other ways that this comes up. For example, paying excessive red paying again less than fair market value for goods and services from an insider. The greg mortenson issue. With central asia institute. There’s. A lot of speculation about whether about organization violated private interment rules because they paid so much to support his book signings and, you know, the publication of his book. And there was a question of what did they actually get in return? There’s. Lots of ways that private interment can happen, even though what we see most commonly is executive compensation issues. All right, we’re going to take a break when we returned. Of course, emily chance days we listen, we keep talking about private benefits, not dirty, but back. Stay with us. Dahna hi, this is nancy taito from speaks been radio speaks been radio is an exploration of the world of communication, how it happens in how to make it it better because the quality of your communication has a direct impact on the quality of your life. 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Of course, no there’s not, but because of these types of private benefit rules certainly you want to be cautious that’s an organization and make sure that you understand what is appropriate and what wouldn’t be appropriate, even if it’s the terms and conditions there all there you also have to think about how the public’s going to do it, and how your supporters and also your critics so that all gets taken into account as well. Okay, are there’s some measures that we can use for what’s what’s market value what’s appropriate if let’s say a boardmember is offering office space for rent for the organisation. But what do we do? A market analysis what’s your advice? Yeah, those are all great. Basically you want to take all the steps to show that it’s being negotiated at arm’s length? I’m getting independent appraisal having let’s say if the contract approved, i haven’t reviewed by an attorney you know, documenting in your meeting minutes what it is that you’re considering and why this is justified and why this is really in further in severe exam purposes. All of those steps are going to help protect the organization on it is important because under this doctrine, there’s no de minimus exception. You know, we talked about with the private benefit doctrine that you can have incidental private interests served with the private and merriment doctrine where we’re just looking at insiders it’s an absolute rule and the way that it’s written on the irish i can actually take away your tax exempt status if you violate it. Now we don’t see that happen very often, but let’s, hold off on that. So so there’s. So when you say there’s no de minimus testing me even just a little bit over, say, ah, market value or a little bit over what would be an arm’s length transaction could be in violation of the prohibition against private inhuman. Yeah. In theory, yes, at one dollars. Okay, okay. You’re right. We don’t see it happen a lot because that is a very city air penalty for let’s. Say something that can be corrected or something. That’s. Very small. An amount. So what the irish did they developed. What is the third rule? The excess benefit transaction rolls. On basically what this does is it creates an immediate sanctions so that the irs doesn’t have to go so far as to i’m takeaway tax exempt got it intermediate sanctions okay, immediate sanctions, so this fool is going to sound very similar, but there are a little there are some differences on this school basically says that an organization cannot provide an economic benefit. Tio what i’m going to call it disqualified person, which i’ll explain in a second have exceeds the consideration that the organization is receiving in return, so disqualified person is similar to the concept of an insider, but they want to use a different term for it. You could have just said the supplies for insiders, there was someone and there’s a little nuance to it, it’s someone who has a substantial influence over the organization within the last five years. So we’re thinking of the same type of people, though high level managers, directors hyre speeding, please let’s say papa upleaf founders the same types of people that they choose to call it disqualified person under this role on basically if it found that there’s an excess benefit transaction, the penalty now is an excise tax. So it’ll be twenty five percent of the excess benefit tax to the disqualified person. You received that. Okay, let’s, unpack this a bit. All right. So it’s paid by the individual, right? It’s paid by that disqualified person to dp. Okay. And they could actually get bumped to a two hundred percent tax if they don’t correct it. Ok, ok. Also important for organizations is an organizational manager can also get taxed if they knowingly and willingly approved that transaction as tax tax as an individual. You mean yes. Ten percent of the excess benefit up tio twenty thousand dollars. Okay, so the organization would be prohibited in these cases from from paying these excise taxes for the individual. And it would be inappropriate for the organization to pay the taxes because there are certain indemnification that an organization can provide again, this is going to be a state law that california, for example, a breach of your fiduciary duty takes you out of being qualified indemnification. So here, if you’re you knowingly and willingly approving a gn xs benefit transaction, that certainly, you know, raises the concern about reaching a fiduciary duty and having approved that and so, organizations again doing their homework, getting reliable third party dahna toe look at asking for professionals for, you know their ex offgrid opinion on the matter. Those are all things that help protect the organizational managers from ever finding themselves in this situation on def, they if the charity pride tried to pay the excise tax, that could be in violation of the prohibition against private in your mint, keep going. Good. It’s a grand circle. Okay, we have to leave it there. Oh, god. You have one more point. You can make it a few seconds. Yeah, organisations would also look up and you’re going to put me in jarring in jail a procedure called a rebuttable presumption of reason. Profnet oh, my goodness. She does this with ten seconds left. Idea rebuttable presumption of reasonable this. Go ahead. Googling it’s a three step process that organization’s community based we give some the presumption that they’ve done a reasonable entered into a reasonable transaction with these disqualified people. So we don’t need to get into the details but write it down. Look it up. Okay. Say the phrase one more time. Rebuttable presumption of reasonable next-gen multi-channel. Is an attorney at the non-profit exempt organizations latto group in san francisco and our one of our regular legal contributors. You can follow her on twitter at emily chan. Thanks for being on. Emily would talk to you in just a couple weeks. You’ll be back, thank you very much. My thanks also, of course, teo melanie schnoll begun and the people at her company at morgan stanley who help arrange that interview next week nufer ends at events andrea nirenberg is president of nierenberg consulting group. 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Lisa Robb, executive director of the New York State Council on the Arts
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Durney hello and welcome to the show, it’s tony martignetti non-profit radio big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent i’m your aptly named host. I’m excited to be back in the studio. It’s been a couple of weeks. Oh, do i hope you were with me last week? Of course i do. I’d be devastated to hear that you had missed last week’s show it was audit week, you’re hr audit. Karen bradunas is a human resources consultant. There may be things hiding in your hr closet that you need to bring out and dust off to avoid problems later on, we talked about your benefits plan immigration, paperwork and that’s not only for immigrant laborers and what to do if you get audited by federal or state regulators and your social media audit, scott koegler continued our discussion from the one hundred show on sites that help you assess how you’re doing in social media. Hoot suite marketsmart radiant six on a couple of others scott is the editor of non-profit technology news on our regular tech contributor this week, working with your small organization board what’s special about working with small shop boards we’ll talk about setting expectations recruiting, training fund-raising and assessing your boards capabilities my guests from fund-raising day this past june are terry billy from the hudson river museum, wendy no adele from yonkers, partners in education and lisa rob, executive director of the new york council on the arts also today, see the smart cr m system, constituent relationship management you’ve got constituents, employees, donors, volunteers, vendors, clients how do you manage your relationships with them and what’s the impact on your prospect management? Maria simple will be with me, she’s, the prospect finder and our prospect research contributor between the guests on tony’s take to my block this week charity corporatization reduction three i’ve talked about this before the blurring of the line between corporations and charities. I’ve got a couple of new data points they’re on my block and i’ll talk about them on tony’s, take two use non-profit radio the hashtag to join the conversation on twitter hashtag non-profit radio right now we take a break and when we return all intro my pre recorded interview from fund-raising day on working with your small organization board, stay with us e-giving didn’t think dick tooting good ending things you’re listening to the talking alternative network. Getting anything. Dahna cubine joined the metaphysical center of new jersey and the association for hyre. Awareness for two exciting events this fall live just minutes from new york city. 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Number ten, ten a m on talking alternative dot com. You’re listening to the talking alternative network. Dahna hi there, and welcome back. I want to send some live listener love got listeners newport, north carolina. I miss you, north carolina. I own a home there, and i haven’t been there in a few months, but i’ll be going back next month. Missing north carolina st louis, missouri live listener love out to st louis right now. We have pre recorded interview from fund-raising day here in new york city this past june on working with your small organization board. Welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio coverage of fund-raising day conference two thousand twelve in new york city were in midtown manhattan at the marriott marquis hotel on the subject we’re talking about right now is working with your board. My guests are terry billy, assistant director of advancement at the hudson river museum. Wendy adele, executive director of yonkers partners in education, and lisa rob, executive director, the new york council on the arts ladies welcome. Thank you. Thank you. You have all three of you and thank you for taking time on a busy conference day right before lunch on we’re going to get youto lunch. Don’t worry, you won’t be late for lunch. Your subject is working with, uh, boards of small organizations. Lisa, why are boards of small organizations different than boards of larger organizations? Well, normally boards at large organizations that do a fair amount of fund-raising it’s a given and planning and very kind of instrumental involvement with the board, but less so on a volunteer basis or operational basis. Smaller organizations tend to have closer relationships to boards in terms of really what they’re doing for you and it’s also more difficult for them than at large organizations to get some of those things done. So you sometimes encounter at a good small, a good board in a small organization, tremendous work ethics and tremendous alignment with the mission because it is more of a struggle to get to some of the resource is that the larger organization board sort of inherently have. Wendy, why don’t you just set some context? Explain what youngers, partners and education is about what’s your work. We are a public education fund that supports the yonkers public school district for an independent organization that works to increase the number of students in yonkers who graduate from high school and completed postsecondary program. Okay, and now terry what’s, the specific mission of the hudson river museum, the hudson river museum is a history, science and art museum, providing opportunities to brought in the artistic and cultural experiences for people in the hudson river region. Okay, lisa wanted to explain what your work is with counsel in the arts. I’m the new york state counts on the arts is an agency of new york state government, and we work for the governor and receive our money through the budget. Process from the budget enacted every year by the governor and legislature. And we distribute thirty five million dollars of public funds to about fifteen hundred organizations, of which eighty percent have budgets of under seven hundred thousand small organizations. Tony let’s, dispel a myth that you have to be with just a few minutes ago. Boards of small organizations are not necessarily small board know they can range anywhere from thirty five to seventeen or fifteen, usually not less than that. And do we find the same type of diversity on a small organization board that will find in a larger organization board? Yes and no. Sometimes you may have a larger organization may have more corporate people that have connections to larger, mainstream corporations. Then you may have some people that have more connections to private foundations community board sent have a lot more community leaders, people who are connected politically, people who have businesses in the area on dh. Then, of course, you do have people that live in the area that may work for a corporation in a, you know, another capacity. And you also may have some folks that are government based. Okay, so you’ll have that local commitment, as lisa was describing, right? You have a little bit more local commitment. You’re your group may live in the area where your organization is, where a larger organization your your trustees may live elsewhere, right? So so so why don’t we stay with that, terry? What? How can we leverage that? That local nature of the board? Well, you’re trying to first off people become members of your board because they’re interested in what you do, and they want to help it serve your community, the community that they live in. So the urge to be part of something bigger than they are is one of the things that you want to work on. And so then you just need to work and find out what their capacities are, who their contacts are and see whether where their strengths are, too. Have them help you. Okay, twenty let’s start with sort of the chronology of board members life cycle, uh, recruitment. What? What are the challenges and that a small organization faces in recruiting successful boardmember we liked it really? Just talk from how we do it in my organization, but we typically try to identify specific areas of need that we have on our board and some of the gaps of skillsets connections, how people are connected on and we try teo, identify people who can fill those gaps on the board. Sure, and typically, the way we recruit them is through personal relationships. Typically somebody on our board might know of somebody or i might have met somebody, or in some cases, people have even approached us with an interest in the work that we d’oh. And now, since you are a local organization, you’re drawing from a smaller pool of potential talent. That’s correct, but you have the advantage of it being local and again, the commitment that at least talked about that’s. Correct? Okay, okay. Back-up lisa, special challenges of other special challenges around recruitment of boards for small charities that we should talk about. Well, i think one of the things we talked about in our workshop earlier, wass the wendy spoke to it. Well, that sort of a lining, the at a small local level. You may you want to make sure you know really what you want their role to be because they really is a commitment level. And interest level that is often not there. In the larger organizations. People may actually want to do tacit work for you. They may want to make real connections in real time for you, it’s, really not a so, you know, they’re not doing it for source social reasons. So i think, a lining that, you know, the individual in what they want to contribute, and then what the organization needs is even more interesting with smaller organizations. Because there’s more opportunity, i think, to really work with the boards one on one with real goals, that they want it, you know, complete with you, because you’re a small organization, you can actually do that. The goal isn’t a, you know, twenty five million dollars capital campaign, it’s a. You know of of two hundred fifty thousand dollars scholarship campaign, where numbers that become more achievable. So i think that is a challenge. Talking alternative radio twenty four hours a day. 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The people of creation nation listened to norah simpson’s creation nation. Fridays at twelve noon eastern on talking alternative dot com. Hey, all you crazy listeners looking to boost your business, why not advertise on talking alternative with very reasonable rates? Interested simply email at info at talking alternative dot com. I’ve had a guest on not too long ago. Melanie schnoll begun. Her work is with very ultra high net worth clients in the bank. I apologize. Either j p morgan or morgan stanley. Apologies, melanie. But her her one of the point that she made was that very wealthy people shouldn’t be ignored by small organizations. Potential boardmember because it could be bigger. They could be bigger players on a smaller board, of course. Plus you want their expertise, but they could be very interested in a small charity. Good when we actually have a few board members who have been on major major boards, like in new york city. Um who i think have a more gratifying experience. Kind of working on the more local level, rolling up their sleeves, having a direct impact on a cause rather than sitting on a fancy board and going tio three or four meetings a year and about feeling expected to write a check and doing nothing. So i think, that’s, that that’s really the just the distinction, right? Same thing here. My organization has a wide variety of folks in both wealthy and not so wealthy. But people who were really involved and and the smaller organization that’s that’s the reason why they become a member of the of the of the board is to get involved because they have a passion. So, terry, since fund-raising is so important for board members, how do we set the appropriate level of e-giving four boards at small organizations what’s your place there? Some places just give one level of giving for everyone saying, okay, everyone needs to give five thousand dollars or three thousand dollars or ten thousand dollars or whatever it is, but it has to relate to the size of the board’s budget. So for example, my organization does not have a specific geever get, but we expect everyone to participate in the annual fund everyone to give to the gala in some way, shape or form and everyone to give an additional gift of some sort. So you may have some folks that can give twenty five thousand dollars to the gala and then ten thousand to the annual fund and then an additional gift from their private foundation and then other people will, through their company or through there, and a combination of company and the personal money. Give five thousand to the gala, you know, one thousand to the annual fund and, you know, some other money, so it has to be a willingness to accept so it’s a willingness to accept what they khun dio right? Because it’s their capacity so it’s about having a conversation with the boardmember when they’re coming on to understand, to have them understand that there is a responsibility to see support the organization, and then to talk about what level that they’re comfortable giving it. So is that how you assess their capacity? And you’re just really you need to have a conversation what they’re comfortable with, right? Well, i mean, you’ve done the research, you’ve done the research before you brought him in as a trustee to kind of know what they’re pass it e issue done the the prospect research to say, ok, well, this person, you know, has given here there and what have you so you kind of have an idea of what they’re financial level is so then it’s a matter of having a careful conversation with them too say, you know, what is it that you feel comfortable with? And it is, of course. It’s important to set those expectations at the recruitment stage, right. Exactly together. Normally written down. I mean, this is not it’s not uncommon to have written documents that say your contribution will be two hundred fifty dollars. You know that that’s? Not an uncommon. Okay, where you’ll be expected to go to an event or you’ll be expected to cultivate whatever. It’s not uncommon to have those things even written down. It’s. Not like these air secret or uncomfortable conversations. You know, they’re just that’s just part of the business relationship. Most bored people understand they will be a set of contributions they have to make some of which include financial time. Whatever would you would you go so far as to recommend that they be a document that the boardmember signs? Yes. In most cases, there is a is a a a a board agreement. Okay, because liability means you normal. Ok, wendy, partners in education, we don’t have a written agreement, but we haven’t explicit verbal commitment that in most cases has been honored without a problem. Okay, it is not in a contract. All right. How about communications with with a small organization board is that? Is it any i’m guessing easier because most of the people are local? Terry, go ahead. Well, we my ceo communicates with the board on a regular basis. Individually, we have meetings every month, so every other, every was every other know every other month is an executive board meeting. And every other month on the other side is our full board meeting. And then we do not have a board meeting in august. So there’s that then there’s also committee. So we have committees, there’s, a finance committee and development committee, a program committee and nomine nominating committee. And so they usually meet every other month or every two months, three months or something like that. And then we all like i communicate with staff with the board members that i’m working with for a specific project or the, you know, different staff would work directly with the boardmember so it’s, more informal words again, a larger organization with larger, more high level board members, you may not have as much communication access access to them and communication through all your staff with them. It may just be a point to point from your ceo to the board or maybe your ceo, your cfo and your development person, the only people that talk to your board when they were going to say something on communicating for us. I’ve really have kind of individual relationships that the board members. And for the most part, i’d say seventy five percent of them. I have. I’m in communication with on a very regular basis, and you’re the executive director. S, right. Ok, which is, i guess. They’re more accessible to the charity. Also, the board members make themselves more accessible than a larger organization might find. Well, i find ways email, and i mean, i think communication is really easy, you know, whether wherever you live, you could just shoot and email and get a response, but because the board’s pretty active everybody’s working on something so there’s always i mean, it’s not the communication is not for the purpose. So much of updating as it is to kind of do the work, and we work together as you know, collaboratively on you, no specific issues and projects that puts me into direct communication with the board members on a fairly regular basis. So what about switching topics? Labbate hyre assessing the capacity of your board in different capability, different areas, maybe it’s fund-raising maybe it’s love assessing whether you have gaps in expertise? What what’s important? I think, wendy, we’ve all talked about nominating committee’s and what we do, we’re in all the organizations i’ve worked for is the nominating committee is one of the most important committees on any board or the nominating people, and we we do it very almost like database oriented. You know, here the five or six strands of talent that we need, you know, social talent, business, talent, political talent, you know what, marketing, whatever it is, you know, here’s the slots where that is filled now, here’s, what? We’re going to have gaps, we spend a lot of time looking at the term limits, and when people are coming up for renewal too, you know, because gaps will then because you really want to call today, you know, minimally, a year in advance, you want to start your cultivation efforts because you make no assumptions and and also things come up for people, you know, they were interested last year, but this year someone is ill in their family, they’ve gotten a promotion, they’re moving, etcetera, so the nominating committee is very important and to be very strategic about on the goals. I mean, you could have a goal that you have celebrities that’s fine, but, you know, you have to just make sure it’s all you’ve gotten what’s it called a pipeline, you know? So you’re constantly putting names into that pipeline, and your board is very active in that process. Well, they are on their on the nominee they are, the nominating committee rarely includes people from staff in anything other than, like a, you know, did that’s really very much the work of a board there also engaging the full board. Oh, christ, as they identify needs. Oh, you know that it’s talked about usually nominating and issues of bored recruitment are are usually part of certain board meetings. You know, it’ll come up as an agenda item and then there’s the nominating committee, which has, like, you were saying this most of the time, i talked to our board members when i was at pelham art center because they were working board. Wendy so a lot of the communication had to do a task oriented project management, things you were doing together, military. Anything you want to know about assessing the capacity of the board. Okay, what about board training? Any any differences in when a new boardmember comes on any differences that you’ve identified you, emmanuelle for smaller organizations that okay, please go ahead. We have aboard manual that we’ve been evolving our organization’s not quite five years old yet sweeping, evolving that and new board members that come on, get an orientation. They are given emmanuel. And each year we, you know, have ah, two three hour orientation for our new members and that’s how we train them. And there is no big formal training program but it’s more of an orientation to the organization. Ok? And most of them have been to something that we, you know, most of them know us and not where they joined the board. Someone in the other workshop had an interesting idea. She spoke about on their board. They actually had, like, a, you know, in high school or college, the key club where you came in new and someone was aligned to you. They had a senior boardmember each new boardmember that came on, there was a relationship. They were the mentor to that new boardmember i thought that was a really good idea. I thought that was a great idea. What we do is we have a retreat every year once a year. It’s ah, saturday afternoon. And so we are doing both role playing or discussions talking about topics that are of interest, reviewing our strategic plan. So last year at our board retreat, we went through some role playing in how tio make an ask good. Okay, excellent. That kind of leads me to something interesting. I think i hope hyre what about board members who aren’t comfortable asking directly, but maybe can be engaged in other activities around fund-raising why did you continue, terry? Well, some people are very they they feel uncomfortable asking their friends, their family or going to to even business colleagues to set up a meeting for something. Um, and so you need to find different ways for them to to support whether they can host a party of their friends at their home. We’ve done that. Where then you have your museum staff and their friends. They’re so the museum staff could do the cultivation because we’re that’s what we do. S o or you can have them come with you on a site, is it with a funder or a lunch? And they just need to be the intro person and the ask and the program description and all of that comes from the staff people, so they are observing their participating in some way, but they’re also they’re shadowing. They’re learning through it by going through this, you know, site visit or you? Know, observing the ask at a cocktail party or what have you do you find that they become the ones who are reluctant in the beginning? Tio actually ask become more comfortable. Have you seen that? Well, a little bit, yeah, i mean that’s the goal and sometimes it may take a little longer depends on everyone’s personalities different and some people are more comfortable in the limelight and others are not. So you have to kind of work with what they’re willing to do, what their comfort level is and you can’t force someone into something that i want dio that will be a disaster. Forget wendy’s. I don’t think i think something terry set is is really key, and that is, you know, in addition to asking people for money equally is important is is just opening up doors, making introductions and that’s i mean, even for people that don’t like to ask for money making introductions is really important because, you know, particularly if you really believe in the mission of the organization, the organization khun sell itself that’s themselves, that pipeline that lisa mention constantly introducing new people. I know we have a boardmember and you know, one of things i like to do is just kind of focus when i have my board members do. And we have one boardmember who has some really key foundation contacts and his what i asked him to do every years you get me into two foundations and that’s it that’s it that’s your job and that’s huge. That could be hundreds of thousands of dollars. So anything you want and what i do think that friendraising and fund-raising are all part of that same resource development. And as long as you can make sure there’s enough prongs and what you think of resource development there’s no, boardmember that can’t help you if we have to leave it there, ladies. Thank you very much, wendy. Tell you. Thank you. Lisa. Rob is executive director of the new york council on the arts. Wendy liddell. Adele is executive director of yonkers partners and education. And terry billy is assistant director for advancement at the hudson river museum. Ladies, thank you very much. Thank you. This is tony martignetti non-profit radio coverage of fund-raising day two thousand twelve at the marriott marquis in midtown manhattan. My thanks to the three ladies. Some live listener love out tio st louis, missouri, hello, jersey city, new jersey. Welcome back. My dad was born there, i told you, used to live on mcadoo of reston, virginia. Hello, live listener love, and then we go further east vietnam. Welcome. I wish i knew the city. I’m sorry, our software doesn’t tell us what city. Right now we take a break, and when we returned tony’s, take two, and then maria simple will join me to see the smart cr m system. So i hope you stay with me. Talking alternative radio twenty four hours a day. Joined the metaphysical center of new jersey and the association for hyre. Awareness for two exciting events this fall live just minutes from new york city. 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You’re listening to tony martignetti non-profit radio big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent. That live listener loved that i sent to vietnam is joined by love going out to korea, and if you’re listening, if in a foreign country i’d love for you. Teo, tell us what city you’re in because our software doesn’t tell us so you could tell me on the linked in group or the facebook page or tweet me. Let me know what cities you’re in vietnam and korea tony’s take to roughly thirty two minutes into the hour. My block this week is charity corporatization re ducks three i’ve blocked this before, as you can tell from the title, and i’m still concerned about blurring lines between charities and corporations. More cities, for instance, are collecting what they call pilots payments in lieu of taxes from charities or they’re considering getting these payments from charities pittsburgh in memphis for most recently and there’s in my block there’s a link to a chronicle of philanthropy article talks about pittsburgh and memphis and a number of other cities that are either collecting those or looking at it. Also, we have corporations starting to look like charity’s, taking some in some of those charity attributes there’s the b corp in california. That’s ah, a form of organisation be corp. For an organization that gives some public benefit as well as having a profit motive. And in a lot of states there are low profit, limited liability corporations also called l three c’s on dh does i put this together with some other data points and just concerns me that the charity start to look like corporations and start getting treated like corporations in terms of those taxes. On that corporations start to look like charities. It’s on my block. The name of the post is charity corporatization re ducks three. My block is tony martignetti dot com. And that is tony’s take two for friday, the tenth of august thirty fourth show of the year. Joining me now, as she does once a month, is maria simple. Maria is the prospect finder she’s, an experienced trainer and speaker on prospect research. Her website is the prospect finder dot com. Her book is panning for gold. Find your best donor prospects now with an exclamation mark at the end. And she is at maria simple a si m pl e on twitter. Maria, welcome back. Hi there, tony. How are you today? I’m terrific. Very well, good to have you back. Thank you. We’re talking today about c r m constituent relationship management. Why is this important? Well, you know, it’s very important for non-profits to track relationships that they have especially fund-raising purposes, in my opinion, you know, i’m talking more about fund-raising side there as a prospect researcher that you want to be able to see, you know, where our people interconnected you want to be ableto have a certain data point certainly noted in a system that’s going to be able to capture the relevant points of information that are important for your organization and a broader cr m really goes beyond even the donor database. It would be able to track relationships that you have with volunteers with perhaps people that are coming in, uh, to use your organization’s services on a daily basis so it can give you a really broad picture. And, you know, i any any time you can have any type of a tool that shows sort of relationship management for a mapping tool, you know, i’m all for that, okay? And you and i have talked about too, that prospects don’t only come from donors and fund-raising quote fund-raising prospects. But could be employees or vendor’s vendors to the organization or consultants. Right? Right, right. So these are all the types of relationships that you can manage in a system, you know, ideally, you know, a picture scenario where you are a ah non-profit executive at a small commit sides non-profit and you get a phone call and somebody says, you know, hi, this is, you know, tony martignetti i’m looking to talk to you a little bit more and expand on our last conversation. If it’s me calling, you probably should hang up, but it’s using some other example? Yes. You know, you would want to be able to instantly trying to recall well, gee, what? Tony and i last talk about what were the talking points? You know what? What was his area of interest? Right? So ideally, if you’re, you know, at your computer, will you be able to just, you know, put tony’s name in there and pull up some sort of a data sheet on tony said that you’d be able to track what what were our last conversations? And, of course, you know, this is really important. There’s a lot of turnover right at non-profits so, you know, you want to be able to have that that that long term relationship tracked a donor doesn’t care, right? They don’t care that there’s while they developed relationships with key personnel at the non-profit but in terms of the overall longevity and their commitment to that non-profit organization, whomever that executive director development director is, um, he’s probably not as important as the overarching mission and trying to make sure that that there’s that continuity that people will continue to understand what that donor’s intent is what donors specific interest are. Yeah, it becomes quite embarrassing to say, you know, someone who’s new in the position, you know? I don’t i don’t really know what what conversations were before me, you know, it all just needs to be documented. You’re right for the institutional knowledge and continuity, yeah, absolutely, really critical and donorsearch budget organizations are really just using some sort of a spreadsheet right now to manage this, you know, there are systems out there that are fabulous, and they really range in price. Do you want me to talk about a particular guide that can that can help them kind of identify this. And i can actually put some information on on your paige is well about it. Yeah, in just a moment. Let me just get to one of the survey questions that we had about what? What systems people are using now to manage constituent data. Fifty percent of using razor’s edge. And about seventeen percent are using donor perfect and about a third of using other other software systems. But nobody said one of the choices was it’s on paper or in our heads. And so, thankfully, nobody nobody said that. And nobody said excel spreadsheets. Good thing. So all right, so people are past the index cards, at least. Listeners. Well, this is sophisticated audience, so you’re not going to get your average executive director ceo fundraiser listening to this is a sophisticated show, so the sample is skewed. So we’ll presume that there are some who would say it’s on paper in our heads, but they’re not our listeners. They could be were welcomed them, because then after today’s show, they could choose a different answer. Find value. This’s a that’s. Right? Of course. S oh, please. Why don’t you, uh you have an idea if we had just a couple minutes before break, you have ah, a place where people can sort of compare software, is that what you have? Yeah, absolutely. June twenty eleven idealware dot org’s, uh, terrific website for all types of things having to do with technologies for non-profits they came out with a free downloadable guide that’s called the consumer’s guide to low cost donor-centric and they reviewed lots of systems, and then they go into in depth and review sort of their top ten systems and across all kinds of different, uh, data points, you know, they’re reviewing them, of course, for price. And by the way, all assistance they reviewed technically felling under the four thousand dollars range. Okay, so these are not going to be like razors edge is not going to included, right? Razor’s edge is a very high entry cost. Yeah, so i thought, well, with, you know, your your listener audience of the smaller to midsize non-profit that some of their recommendations might actually fit very well for the non-profits they’re looking at, you know, how well can you manage the donor information? The reporting, tracking events, some of the systems khun do that? Well, yeah, because event event attendees that’s another constituency, right? That’s, right? They might attend an event, but they’re not. They’re not donors in the strict out of pocket sense without any other, any participation. So event attendees another important constituency that’s, right? And they are also some of the systems will do male merging very well. Others are not as great at it. Email. How well can the system email out or play? Well with an outside system, for example, i know that there are certain databases that played very well with donorsearch software, like tapestry in constant contact or constant contact in sales force. Dot com they are two systems that integrate very well together. So integration actually is another data point that they looked at. So, you know, i recommend everybody take a look at that particular guide because it’s free it’s downloadable um and idealware is actually having ah, replay on their webinar that they have on that particular topic as well. And i happen to have received an email. Just tweak that they’re having a sale on their recorded webinars. So for this month, only august it appears that they are nine dollars to download the past recorded webinar. Okay, but and the the survey sounds like sort of a consumer reports of of c r e m now does idealware this is important to know his idealware create today of their own software package or now that they’re not in that business there just a value. They’re reviewing it, right? They will value you don’t. Okay, so we’ll put the idealware dot com. But what? What we put oh, dot org’s. Thank you. But why don’t we put the link to the this document? Go on the facebook page and in the linked in group? Sure, i can do that. Okay. Thank you, maria. You’re always very good. And maria is maria doesn’t only say she’s going to do it actually doesn’t. So the show ends at two p m eastern. I would expect now putting round spot. No, but i’ll just say very quickly. Maria will have the stuff up. I’ll just leave it there. She always does. You always. You always have been. Um okay. What? You had a conversation with a ceo of, of of of a newer, newer offering in this field right recently? Well, actually. That’s what prompted me to kind of take a look at their whole cr m area? There’s there’s a very new, interesting software out there. And it’s called unify o you and i f y o dot com. And by the way, it works best on google chrome. So i know that was one of the questions that i made sure that we are listeners answering on since you’re right, but since you just mentioned it, let sze get that question out. It was which internet browser or using it work fifty percent explorer. Fifty percent are chrome, and then a handful of people, i guess, have to and the about a third of those said fire fox so a third of the yeah, about a third of the half what the hell am i talking? About? Fifty percent said explorer, fifty percent said chrome and about seventeen percent said firefox. So obviously summer using multiple systems. That’s what i was trying to convey in the past minute and a half. Okay, so way. Just have a minute before break. So say a little bit more and then we’ll come back. Okay? Sure. So what it is is a technically they call it a browser extension, and if you go to their website, they have a really cool little video. And i can post, uh, on your page is, well, a link to a specific video that talks about how confused for prospect research and that’s what really caught my attention, but basically what they say is that it bridges the gap between you and your c r m so and we’ll give you a little bit more information on that. But it really completes your customer profiles toe all of your cloud applications, so it integrates with several systems already sales force dot com high rise, which is another cr m system that i’m actually not as familiar with, um, and so, since sales force dotcom does have a non-profit maria, we have to take a break hold. That thought you were just saying, since salesforce dot com does have a non-profit when we return, we’ll let you finish that sentence. Stay with us. Talking. Hi, this is nancy taito from speaks been radio speaks been radio is an exploration of the world of communication, how it happens in how to make it better, because the quality of your communication has a direct impact on the quality of your life. Tune in monday’s at two pm on talking alternative dot com, where i’ll be interviewing experts from business, academia, the arts and new thought join me mondays at two p m and get all your communications questions answered on speaks been radio. 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Yeah, i believe it is so what’s kind of cool about it is, you know, it had caught my attention was the fact that if i’m assuming now that the sales force dot com tool that non-profits air using would indeed integrate with unify oh, so if we’ve got any sales forthe users out there, i’d love some feedback. You know, through my page or tony’s page to see if it’s working well for you, but basically once you load this unify o icon up into your tool bar so let’s say then you are looking at somebody’s profile in sales force dot com you can click on the little unify. Oh, uh, icon and it will show you other other interactions that have happened with that person, so if that person has been tweeting about your organization or any email communications that have happened, you can manually put in specific notes about a person, so i’m thinking for a really small to midsize non-profit this could be a very interesting solution. Now, this is brand new. Tony okay, yeah, this is brand new, this is you launched may twenty twelve um, i had an opportunity to skype twice with the ceo of this company in recent weeks so i could get a better handle on understanding it and they love feedback. So, maria, it sze pulling in the whole web when you when you identify somebody that you’re you’re interested in? Yeah, well, it integrates best with certain platforms, but yeah, i mean, if you’re browsing and google chrome, so i was right, it has to be it only works in google chrome so far right far only google chrome, but they are looking to develop it for the other platforms as well. And, you know, i just think, it’s something really need to take a look at if if any of our listeners have an opportunity to do so and provide some feedback, they hadn’t created this. For the not non-profit sector originally, so to know that there could be this applique ability because you can have teams of people so let’s say you’ve got the executive director, the development director, maybe a program director and maybe a couple of board members be considered a team. All this data can be shared. So if you and i are on a team, tony and i want to try and figure out what? When were the last communications, it would pull an information about your last email communications okay, and are you testing this unify? Oh, maria, you know, i’ve been playing around with it a little bit, but i don’t have sales force dot com loaded here so that’s, why? I’d love to know somebody who does have it to see how that how, how that could integrate but it pulled in lengthen dad a twitter feed and i think it’s gonna have a lot of applicability it’s free right now, and it won’t stay free forever, so there will be a fee attached to this at some point. But i’ve been told by the ceo they’re going to keep it very affordable for the nonprofit sector. More broadly, when you’re looking at your your cr m software it’s important to know what, what your goals are from your from your system. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, you know, is it’s a system that is only going to be turning out donorsearch ports is this system, as i mentioned earlier, that might have to do mail merges and email marketing? Um, is this a system that is going to be able to help you track, um, interactions, right with those air critical for prospect freak prospect research? Oh, absolutely, absolutely. I mean, you think about all the points on the continuum on the development cycle. So you’ve got the prospect identification and research think about how will it play into cultivation? Solicitation the thank you, the follow-up and the stewardship i c c r m being invaluable not only for me, it’s, a prospect researcher, but certainly in stewarding donor forward. So it should have really flexibility to be able to provide additional notes. I love cloud based systems personally and don’t put me in george in jail. Now, i think the audience knows club. I think scott and i have talked about cloudgood other other other guests have, okay? I think people should know the cloud by now, i’m clear to talk. Wait, we just have about a minute and a half, though. Okay? So any cloud based system, for example, will enable any board members that you give access to the system, say they are very active and cultivating and solicited, soliciting people and meeting with people outside the office. Then they can certainly go ahead and type in notes about those particular meetings. And that again for that continuity is very, very important. Maria simple is the prospect finder. Her book is panning for gold. Find your best donor prospects now. And her website is the prospect finder dot com maria. Such a pleasure. Thanks very much. Thanks. Always tony on dh something occurred to me as i was talking to maria, you know, wanna make sure that i’m not sounding hypocritical because i blogged and talked about on tony’s take two. My concern about charities being too much like corporations. And now here we are talking about with marie about salesforce, dot com and unify. Oh, a system that wasn’t developed for charities was developed for companies. I do think there are good practices, great practices. In the in the for-profit corporation sector that charity’s can learn from and vice versa. I think corporations could soften themselves in some ways and learn a lot from charities. It’s the it’s, the so learning from each other, that’s to me, that’s distinct from starting to, um b organized by be regulated by by the other by state and federal overseers as one that you’re really not as as as b corp to start to look like r l three sees the limit for-profit limited liability corporations, i think start toe look at so that’s the start to look like charities that’s the distinction for me between what maria and i were talking about when i blogged about this week my thanks, tio terry, billy, wendy nadella, lisa, rob, of course, and the organizer’s of fund-raising day twenty twelve as well as maria next week grow your grassroots. Michael o’brien is a consultant and a grassroots organizer. Why this might be good for your organization and how do you get started? We’re talking about bringing new people to your cause and how to keep them excited about your work through the grassroots. Also, scott koegler returns. 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Hello and welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio your aptly named host this week is always we’re talking about big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent. I very much hope you were with me last week. I’d be devastated if i found that you’ve missed charity transition. We talked about making a career transition into charities, but julia bonham’s strategies will also help those who work in non-profits and they’re looking to make a change. She’s, an executive coach and principle of career change for good also go offline. Maria simple is the prospect finder, and of course, you know her as our prospect research contributor, she had tips for conducting offline research, use your board committees network in your community and host cultivation events. The best prospect research comes from face to face meetings with people you want to know better this week insurance is indicated you need insurance when you have volunteers who are out representing your charity and using your name, you also needed as protection from employees lawsuits. William henry is executive director of volunteers insurance service. He and i will talk insurance and will also look into another risk management tool disaster planning. Also spinning your event theme. Nancy levin is director of development and external affairs at my sister’s place in westchester county, new york. Her conference topic at last year’s national philanthropic day in westchester, encouraged you to plan your events with a theme that engages in, informs your audience and these them with a call to action, and i’ll have that interview for you. Between the guests, of course. Tony’s take to a second look at something that’s important to me, my block post from a couple of weeks ago. What i believe, use hashtag non-profit radio to join the conversation with us on twitter. Hope you’ll be there with us, and i hope you’ll stay with us right now. We take a break, and when we return, insurance is indicated. Stay with me. You’re listening to the talking alternative network. Schnoll are you suffering from aches and pains? Has traditional medicine let you down? Are you tired of taking toxic medications, then come to the double diamond wellness center and learn how our natural methods can help you to hell? Call us now at to one to seven to one eight, one eight three that’s to one to seven to one eight one eight three or find us on the web at www dot double diamond wellness dot com. We look forward to serving you. Is your marriage in trouble? Are you considering divorce? Hello, i’m lawrence bloom, a family law attorney in new york and new jersey. No one is happier than the day their divorce is final. My firm can help you. We take the nasty out of the divorce process and make people happy. Police call a set to one, two, nine six four three five zero two for a free consultation. That’s a lawrence h bloom two, one, two, nine, six, four, three, five zero two. We make people happy. Hey, all you crazy listeners looking to boost your business? Why not advertise on talking alternative with very reasonable rates? Interested simply email at info at talking alternative dot com welcome back to big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent. My guest now is william henry he’s, the executive director of volunteers insurance service association, based in woodbridge, virginia. V s is a risk purchasing group that makes insurance programs and risk management services available to private sector non-profit organizations that engage volunteers and i’m glad that his practice brings into the show. William henry, welcome. Good morning, tony it’s a pleasure to have you. How are you? I’m very well think volunteers are essential to a well running non-profit. What? Why are there risks, though, around having volunteers working with us? Upleaf well, volunteers can be subject teo physical risks. They could be injured. Sometimes. We, uh, cia claim in our program that involves a volunteer falling that’s. Probably the most frequent calls. Sometimes there are vehicle accidents. Volunteers can be injured using tools. They can have a back injury, lifting things those kinds of claims. But then also, volunteers do represent the organization and the things that they say about the organization can effect non-profit and might represent a risk. Okay, so there’s so there’s physical problem possibilities. Like possible liabilities, i guess. Physical like car. Accidents and you’re saying people falling and things like that correct, but then there’s also, while while the volunteers they’re using your name and they’re out talking about u does, that latter part is what i think we’re going to focus mostly on does that only apply during certain times? Like when you know that they’re talking about you? Or suppose they say something unfortunate and we’ll get into what that might be, but they’re at a cocktail party and they drop your name, and then they say something that’s inappropriate could apply there, too. Certainly. And in fact, in the world of social media, there really aren’t any time boundaries anymore. Eso volunteers as well as employees could be bringing up your name when their own facebook or they’re tweeting something and it’s something that employers really need to be aware off. Okay, so yeah, on dh since the volunteers they’re using your name, they could be doing things that are inappropriate, like political advocacy. Exactly what’s the problem there well and that’s. Certainly, tommy right now, getting into the election right. These in the irs has strict rules about what tax exempt organizations can do in the area. Of political advocacy and if a volunteer makes the mistake of speaking on behalf of the organization in a way that seems to favor a particular political candidate, that could actually jeopardize the tax exempt status of the organization there volunteering for. And we have talked about that in detail with our legal contributors, jean takagi and emily chan, if you go back a few weeks, you’ll find a show second half of the show, all about political speech, political advocacy, what the boundaries are. So we’ve talked about the details of where the boundaries are, but if so, if a volunteer exceeds the boundaries you’re saying, then the charity could be just as liable as if an employer and employee did it exactly. The volunteers regarded as an agent of the nonprofit organization in a case like that. And does that apply even if there isn’t anything in writing like just the executive director? Okay, take a small charity executive director asks a volunteer to help with fund-raising or maybe the host an event, and then the person says something inappropriate. It doesn’t have to be a written relationship, or now it doesn’t have to be a written relationship. No, it could be orel. Okay, and then you’re still so the volunteers then still acting as an agent, which is ah, a legal capacity, right? It would depend on what the irs is able to prove and how aggressively they would try. Okay, so how are we going to first constrain our volunteers? How do we set the rules? Well, you know, i think that the way to address most risks that go with volunteer engagement on employee relations, for that matter is training and creating an understanding up front in your orientation time period with volunteers, for example, it’s a good time to let them know what your expectations are and what they can and cannot do or say on behalf of the organization, um, it’s a good time for that matter to go over with, um, their performance standards as a volunteer and, uh, what they’re accountable for, um, volunteers just because they’re not paid, uh, doesn’t mean that they shouldn’t be accountable for their performance and a disciplined if necessary. You know, i think a lot of times charities just so grateful to have the help that they don’t want to imposed rules or are certainly even discipline, exactly. But, you know, for the best volunteers, in my view, are going to be more impressed by the fact that the non-profit has thought through its processes, to the extent that they do have procedures in place and standards that they expect, rather than just leaving the volunteer to their own devices. This is very much like conversations we’ve had with with other guests talking about board management on dh, setting expectations correctly around for board members who are also volunteers. They just happen to be senior volunteers. But obviously your suggestion is that applies toe all volunteers that’s, right? Yeah, okay, we’re going to take a break, and when we come back, we’ll talk more about social media and volunteers and some of the other areas that are potential risks, aside from just political advocacy, so stay with us. They didn’t think dick tooting getting ding, ding, ding ding. You’re listening to the talking, alternate network waiting to get in. Nothing. 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Are you feeling overwhelmed in the current chaos of our changing times? A deeper understanding of authentic astrology can uncover solutions in every area of life. After all, metaphysics is just quantum physics, politically expressed, i and montgomery taylor and i offer lectures, seminars and private consultations. For more information, contact me at monte m o nt y at r l j media. Dot com talking alternative radio twenty four hours a day. Lively conversation. Top trends, sound advice, that’s. Tony martignetti, yeah, that’s. Tony martignetti non-profit radio. And i’m travis frazier from united way of new york city, and i’m michelle walls from the us fund for unicef. And i’m your aptly named host. And with me is william henry. We’re talking about insurance and risk management. William. What? What are some other ways that volunteers can put your your charity at risk, by my things that they say, not again? Not so much the physical, like car accidents. But aside from political advocacy, what we mentioned, social media briefly earlier. This is an area where we’ve already seen with respect to paid employees, cem clashes between employer and employee. Many employers don’t understand that the national labor relations act protects what they call concerted activity that relates to working conditions. So employees complaining on facebook, for example, about working conditions where they are that might be protected. And if they’re terminated the ceo, he might be the next person that let’s let’s take a volunteer on so that stick of volunteers right now, right? We will get to employees and practices around that. Well, how else could a volunteer get you in trouble? Well, in that same scenario with volunteers on social media, okay, just when the volunteers brought onboard, i think they need to understand that the same as with employees. Thie organization will protect its reputation that employees or volunteers rather are not. Teo blogged about the organization without, uh, going through whatever channels you you established have a director of communications for the agency. Then everything should be coordinated through that person. If the volunteer is going to comment on ina blogged about your activities. Okay? And where do we draw the line? Between what? The volunteer. Is saying personally on his or her own blawg versus what what he’s saying about he or she is saying about the charity? I mean, is it just if the charity’s name is used, then they’re speaking as an agent of the charity? Is, is it like that simple? Well, one thing that you one way that you could look at it is that, uh, the communications that you would have that charity would have with its clients are privileged information that you would not that you would certainly want to restrict public access to so the volunteer should be that should be put on notice that anything that’s said about the relationship between the agency and its clients should be considered privileged information and not used in social media. No public comment, ok? And i know this is all very gets all very fact sensitive. Andi, i know you’re not an attorney also, so i’m not trying to put you on the spot to answer legal questions. Just, you know, to the extent you’re you’re aware, i just want i want people to be generally aware that, um, there’s there’s risk around volunteers, volunteers are outstanding, but need to be a little cautious, right? And it’s a good thing also for any organization to remind volunteers that it could be a dangerous world out there and online publishing that whether or not the organization is reflected in a bad light, there’s the danger of defamation and you just don’t want volunteers to get in trouble just you wouldn’t want employees to get in trouble, okay? And the stuff that we’re talking about there is insurance, i presume, that can protect the charity from these risks. Well, general liability insurance, yes covers personal injury, which can be defamation as well as bodily injury and property down ok, that you just don’t want it to get to that point. It all comes back to good communication helping the volunteer understand the mission of the organization it’s priorities and, uh, the areas in which they need to go through channels, right? And as you said, that might be a director of communications, but in a smaller agencies doesn’t have that, it might just be the executive director it could be, or the coordinator of volunteers and everybody’s so busy but shouldn’t ever be so busy that you can’t take time to make. Certain that volunteer understands his or her responsibilities and the channels to go through and speaking for the organisation much better to prevent a problem than let one emerge and then have to invoke your general liability insurance policy exactly because people look att things so differently that the supervisor of volunteers or the executive director might never even i suspect that a volunteer would in good faith say something they shouldn’t say. So that’s. Why, with any volunteer involvement, think through what the task is established standards for the volunteer and make sure that they’re communicated and the volunteers accountable for them. Excellent. Thank you. Let’s move to employees. What is generally what are some of the risks around employees? Will the whole area of employment practices liability just continues to expand? We mentioned the facebook postings that are protected by the national labor relations act. Retaliation is a large on growing area of concern in two thousand ten. I believe it wass it past race discrimination is the most frequent cause of charges brought by the sea. And what kind of what kind of complaints are we talking about? Their retaliation was well, the employees would say that. Uh, he or she was wrongly terminated or given on unwanted assignment, or even just moved to a different office for reasons that i are based in retaliation because they exercise their rights. Which is why, uh if if employees is performing poorly, then the record really needs to be documented down to the last detail so that retaliation can’t be used as a pretense. Um, the americans with disabilities act also continues to expand in terms of employer liability. The focus now clearly is on what the employer will do to accommodate the disability and not what the employees or the applicant does to prove that they do have a disability. Okay, so you’ve seen the shift in in claims there has been, in the most recent regulations implementing the d a that’s clear. Okay, interesting to you. You make the point that this doesn’t have to be ah, firing a termination. It could just be a sze yu said, moved to a different office or maybe not promoted an employee not promoted, right? I mean, what are other ways that charities are accused of retaliating? Or maybe, you know, in some case, they actually do retaliate that that we need to be careful about. Well, another scenario is where an employee will follow-up testify on behalf or come to the defense in some way of a fellow employee who is in trouble for something and that’s natural to do it. If you believe your your friend is in the right, you’re going to want to try to protect them. So that’s fine, but the employer that needs to be aware that this is a possible cause for a retaliation claim if there’s an adverse action against that employees later. Exactly so again, your point documentation is critical, right? And another thing is, with the workforce being so mobile, if employers have hourly employees nonexempt employees wait, hold on. I have to. I want to keep you out of jargon jail on tony martignetti non-profit video. We have jog in jail. What doesn’t? What is a nonexempt? Employees exempt from what? What does that mean? If they are paid by the hour, generally speaking rather than a salaried employees, so that their limited to forty hours per week, if, uh, or they have to be paid overtime. Okay. And the time boundaries are just going away so that if the supervisor is sending an email or a text to an hourly employees at ten o’clock at night effectively, they’ve put them back on the clock and they might be liable for paying overtime and sometimes, you know, months can go by before the employee says, hey, by the way, you owe me over time and it can really accumulate. So you want to be very careful about respecting with work hours that an hourly employees supposed to be working and i go beyond those and we’re going to talk shortly about mobile devices, we’ll get to that that that that may or may not be issued by the by the charity, but very interesting about the work hours. Okay, um, you mentioned facebook there’s something called facebook fired-up facebook firings, right? Yeah, we’ll talk about those that actually happened to ah non-profit organization. In september of two thousand eleven, it was a buffalo, new york non-profit one of the employees had posted a comment on facebook complaining about another employee and about working conditions, and then four other employees also commented on that posting. Now they it all occurred outside of working hours. The employees were using their own computers and the employer fired all five of them on the basis that their comments amounted. Teo harassment of the employee who was the target of the comments and that was in violation of the organization stated policy against harassment. But the judge in the case in l r b and national labor relations board administrative law judge rule that those comments were within the scope of a protected activity because they dealt with terms and conditions of employment. So and he ordered those employees reinstated. And there have been over one hundred cases brought before the national labor relations board in the last two years involving exactly these kinds of situations. Facebook firing i’m with william henry he’s with me and he’s, executive director of volunteers insurance service association. William what is the earl? Where can people find find you it’s? Ah, www dot seema world that see, i am a world dot com. Okay, thank you. What? What can we do? Insurance wise to protect against these employees? Retaliation claims well, the directors and officers liability insurance policy response to claims of wrongful termination or these kinds of employment practices against the organization. Ok, so that would be the officers, part of directors and officers policy correct. Is that right? Okay, is that is that? Is this very typical coverage or is this something that charity has toe specifically ask about? Well, the the broadly written directors and officers policy for nonprofit organizations would include employment practices liability, but you always want to make sure you know, that you get a standard policy that has it and not a policy that doesn’t, because under the directors and officers, liability claims, two thirds at least our employment practices related, actually, wrongful termination. Okay, okay. But as we talked about, that could be other forms of retaliation to correct. All right, let’s, talk a little about the mobile devices than others issues around a charity that issues ipads, our phones or any any, any tablet or phone what’s the what’s. The problems there, um, if if the charity issues that equipment, the employees for the volunteer, for that matter needs to know that it belongs to the organization. And therefore so do any message is sent using that equipment any messages at at any time of day, right at any. Whether that whether it’s during working hours or not, if their scent on equipment that charity owns, the charity needs to protect its right. Teo read those messages that anytime reid so if so, if i’m issued ah, phone and i text my children i don’t have children but this’s a hypothetical so let’s go crazy. So i text my daughter while i’m on vacation. The charity has a right to read those those texts that i send and the ones that i received back from her right now, i don’t want to create the impression that this is something charities should do, or this is an orwellian nightmare. All right, but if if there are messages that might be damaging to the organization in some way, the organization should protect its right, and this can be done just with the employee manual, the employees or the volunteer read those those conditions then, you know, messages can be intercepted. Khun b read it any time, and then they have to sign that they acknowledge that. Okay, you know, many, many people feel, are under the mistaken impression that they have a right to privacy just because the message was private and not work related, but that’s not true if they’re using equipment issued by the organization? Yes. That low expectation of privacy. Okay. So, so communication up front setting the expectations so that there aren’t any ugly surprises later. Okay? Seems with the volunteers. Exactly. Should the volunteers just jumping back for a second? Should they be signing the rules around around their their work for the charity to yes, i think it goes back to the performance standards for the volunteer the orientation period, letting them know what they’re responsible for, what they can and cannot do. Okay, whether it’s the use of organization equipment or working with clients or anything else involved with their work, have them signed those rules. So everybody knows that they have been read and understood. Okay, let’s, talk a little about the disaster planning. We have just about two minutes before we have to. We have to wrap up. Um, how do you how does a charity approach disaster planning? It sounds don’t very daunting. Well, it doesn’t have to be. Um, thie organization should get its best people together, and best people might include someone across town or someone in a linked in group who has been through the process before and start with the question, what could possibly go wrong and think about, uh, you know, scenarios such ranging from, uh, employer, employee or volunteer injuries too back-up volunteer injuring a client or perhaps even a client, injuring a volunteer and just through let let your imagination go, you know, uncle mentioned the second mile foundation in state college, pennsylvania, okay, and we have just about a minute before we have to go, so if they had the first exercise and years ago, they might have come across the possibility that ah, volunteer even the founder of the organization could be charged with injuring the children in their care. But to get to that point, i don’t really have to be willing to consider anything, so because if it can’t be discussed, it can’t be managed. And you mentioned using linkedin and people in your community maybe who were in other charities, but within your organization, i would think boardmember should be involved in this boardmember sze, veteran volunteers, they’re very good and that’s a good way to say to that veteran volunteer we value your experience in your knowledge, newer volunteers for that fresh perspective and your senior staff people and get together and come up with at least twenty five, because there are that many at least risk scenarios and then determine how severe would it be? If this happens, how often is this likely to happen and create a nexus there between the severity and the frequency? That’s, the approach that we suggest, william, we have to leave it there. William henry is executive director of volunteers insurance service association. You’ll find him at cma cma, world dot com william, thanks very much for being a guest. Thank you, tony it’s. Been a pleasure. Right now. We take a break, and when we return, tony’s take two. Dafs you’re listening to the talking alternative network. Geever are you feeling overwhelmed in the current chaos of our changing times? A deeper understanding of authentic astrology can uncover solutions in every area of life. After all, metaphysics is just quantum physics politically expressed. I am montgomery taylor, and i offer lectures, seminars and private consultations. For more information, contact me at monte m o nt y at r l j media. Dot com are you stuck in your business or career trying to take your business to the next level, and it keeps hitting a wall? This is sam liebowitz, the conscious consultant. I will help you get to the root cause of your abundance issues and help move you forward in your life. Call me now and let’s. Create the future you dream of. Two, one, two, seven, two, one, eight, one, eight, three, that’s to one to seven to one, eight one eight three. The conscious consultant helping conscious people. Be better business people. Dahna hey, all you crazy listeners looking to boost your business? Why not advertise on talking alternative with very reasonable rates? Interested simply email at info at talking alternative dot com welcome back, it’s. Time for tony’s. Take two at roughly thirty two minutes into the hour. This is important enough to me that i want to mention it again. Two weeks ago, my blogged was what i believe. I believe there are two things that are the reasons that i do this show and do all the the work and produce all the content that i do for charities. The first is that small and midsize charities need to improve. I believe they need to be better at delivering services and measuring their their outcomes from those services better at fund-raising compliance of all types could be financial, legal, exploiting technology managing donors. And, second, that small and midsize charities deserve the help that they need to improve. And i feel that they deserve it because everybody in charities is working very hard already. I know people want to be better have their organization improved, but i also know that small midsize shops can’t do it on their own. So i help these. I hope i do that’s my intention that’s. Why i produced the show. A tribe log. I have the podcast fund-raising fundamentals for the chronicle of philanthropy. I do a lot of speaking it’s all because of those those two beliefs, and those are my motivations. You’ll find that post called what i believe on my block at tony martignetti dot com, and that is tony’s take two for friday, june first twenty foot twenty twelve twenty second show of the year. Now i have a pre recorded interview with nancy levin from philanthropy day in westchester county, new york, spinning your event theme here’s that interview my guest now is nancy levin, she’s director of development and external affairs for my sister’s place, and her conference topic is when an event is not just an event before, during and after spinning your theme. Nancy eleven welcome, thank you very much and thanks for inviting me to join you today, it’s a pleasure, what are what are non-profits not doing with events that you would like them to be doing? One of the things that my sister’s place has found over the last five years is that when we’re putting together a special event, that the idea behind the event is not just to put people in a room to raise money and to get corporate tables. On dh have a silent auction obviously we’re always going to meet our financial goals, but it’s really to look at the year of programming and what issue we would like to bring to our many publix that they might not be familiar with otherwise. So, for example, in today’s workshop, what we talked about was the issue of human trafficking, human trafficking is to the community now what domestic violence was to the community forty years ago. People don’t speak about it and don’t understand it in the ways that they now understand the issues of intimate partner abuse. In two thousand seven, new york state passed a law many laws involving human trafficking, and my sister’s place was appointed to be the human trafficking service provider for the lower hudson valley region. At that point, we began in earnest to really look at how are we going to engage the issue of human trafficking, the service provision to victims of human trafficking and the resource development needed teo fund human trafficking programming into the work of our agency and toward that, and we really made our two thousand nine two thousand ten program year from a resource development. And external affairs perspective the year of human trafficking. Okay, but how does this all relate to events? You’re absolutely and we’ve run two large public events, one event in the fall, and that is a luncheon, and we run a large benefit in the spring. Between those two events we bring in about eight hundred thousand dollars, which of the total of one point, eight million dollars a year, is of significant piece of the private philanthropy of our agency. What we did was we looked at our fault luncheon and said, how is it that we would like to deliver the message message about the issue of human trafficking and educate our our attendees about it and also for them to have a call to action? We feel very strongly that people should leave an event for mice from my sister’s place, knowing and having something to do that they would not have known about or done otherwise. And so, while every non-profit organization has a very significant mission and helps to enhance the quality of life for the community, my sister’s place specifically looks at issues and says, this is not something that people necessarily know about. And we want to engage them, we want to inform them, and we want them to walk out and say that they want to be part of the solution in making permanent change in the way our society thinks about about different issues. All right, so as we’re planning our event, how do we plan to engage people so that they do become informed? Absolutely. The first component part that really is most significant in the success of any event is the leadership development, having strong co chairs and a committee as anybody that’s listening to non-profit radio nose is going to contribute immeasurably to your ability to be financially successful. A lot of people may not know that’s why you’re here toe help them explain that i don’t understand some may of surely, but a lot of people may not. They may not have done a lot of event programming when you have a special event, while you might be the best of them planner in the entire world and the most organized person and you could even be the best fundraiser around, but without having partners on your lace side, which is your volunteer side to help you. To make that event come to fruition and to bring their friends and associates not justus attendees, but as investors to the event, you might meet the financial success, but you will not meet your program goals, and you will not develop the future leadership and philanthropist to the agency. So how do we recruit the right people to be the chair and co chair, the natural first place to go to recruit your co chairs and your leadership is to your board of directors to to ask your board, can they help to identify people that will find this issue that you’re addressing compelling? Find your agency compelling people that you want to put on the committee so that they start to learn about the work so that they start to bring people in on more informal with a lower risk basis? Chairs for your events have to be able to make the commitment to significantly fund-raising and support your event. So when you’re thinking about someone they might be, you might be thinking about thie district attorney or the deputy district attorney that’s dealing with your issue. However, the reality is that that person, while they might be so knowledgeable they might not be the appropriate fund-raising vice chair or chair for your event. They probably are a very good speaker for your event. They can substantively helpyou. But in terms of leadership, what you want is somebody that wants to be knowing. But that also has capacity to bring in people from the outside and to also be personally supportive in the most meaningful way that’s appropriate for them. All right, now we’ve recruited our co chairs. Now, do you have a preference for is it better to have two people? Is co chairs or one chair is sufficient? If there is a presence that question, try todo well, we try to do is to always have somebody from our board of directors that has agreed to serve in a chair’s position. We also at my sister’s place have an honorary board of directors. So we also have a member of our honorary board to serve as a co chair. And then we have one outside set of co chairs people that are either involved corporately in the work of the agency. So, for example, we’re fortunate to have avon is a significant corporate partner and swiss re the reinsurance company is a corporate partner, so we might reach out to one of them and ask them if they would serve as a co chair. Or lexisnexis is a very significant partner of my sister’s place, and we have ah, human trafficking fellowship with lexisnexis. So we’ll ask for them to be able to be engaged. His leadership. How do we divide responsibilities across all these cochairs honorary co chairs? How did the job’s sort out? Sure. Well, we do is we hold the first meeting with all of the co chairs where we do it overviewing of the event we talk about the program, we talk about the venue, we talk about the leadership and building the committee for the event and we talk about the financial goals and in terms of the financial goals right from the very outset, we put together what we call a gift pyramid, and that is how many gifts is it going to take at each level? Two attained the financial goals that we have, and we really, really pushed the issue of the gift pyramid at the first committee meeting because committee members and leadership always air excited to get to know each other, and while we’re thrilled for people’s enthusiasm to get to know each other and and to get to know the work of the agency, we want to keep people’s eye on the ball. So it’s always a very fine balance between allowing them that opportunity to have this experience be one that’s enhancing of the totality of their life, but to be very focused and maintain our professional objectives. Should we be talking about fund-raising objectives and the and the gift pyramid at the recruitment stage, where we’re just inviting people to be the co chair so that they understand what the expectations are? Or yes, when we recruit leadership, we always give them what the expectation is of them as leadership in what the financial goals of the event, or it’s at the committee meeting that we really defined, how is it that we get there? And and what can each of us do in the many walks of life that we each walk in to help us to get to that place? Okay, now so where we’ve recruited our leadership, we’re now how how is the organization supporting them as as they are? Going out and doing their fund-raising work, my sister’s place spends a good deal of time and energy on putting together our materials for recruitment and for the implementation of the event itself. We immediately create branding and image ing for the event we work with a designer on dh. I happen to be looking at her across the room right now, because she’s here we work with the designer and we put together a zay, said the branding for it with the invitation covered and then out of the invitation cover comes to save the date and a few different a few different monograms that we can pull off of the invitation itself that will be able to use on printed materials, whether it be no cords or flyers or sponsorship forms, et cetera. We get the printed information in a form and present each committee member and each leadership member a package for them to be ableto work with both individuals, corporations and anybody else that they might be able to speak with on our behalf is my sister’s place also going out with the volunteers to help them in the fund-raising we work with volunteers in the way that they believe will be most effective for them and oftentimes a volunteer might say that they really want this support and they and they don’t even really necessarily want to be a spokesperson. They would like to just make the introduction and bring us in to do the presentation of the agency and of the event itself and of the benefits of becoming engaged in a sponsor of the event. We try to follow the lead of where people take us. We don’t ever want to presuppose a certain way to make something happen. What we want to do is have many different tools in our tool kit to be ableto effectuate them being most successful and feeling good about their experience. Nancy levin is director of development and external affairs at my sister’s place, and we’re talking about your event management and theming your events. Her conference topic is when an event is not just an event before, during and after spinning your theme. So now as you and the volunteer leadership are going out, or maybe they’re going alone but a sze yu said, however, there most comfortable information is coming in questions air coming in. From potential potential attendees, potential table purchasers. What i really want to get the details of the the support that you give to thee, the volunteers who does all this follow-up to the meetings, we work with the volunteer to provide the follow-up information that they may want to do the follow-up individually, or they may ask us to do the follow-up they might say, we’ve made the introduction that you take it from there, you run with it, we have what we have, what we call a moves management system, which is that we have a list of prospects, we have a list of people that we believe will be we’ll find this enticing, and we very strategically moved through the list and divide people up and make sure that every stone is uncovered so that we maximize our ability for resource development. What we will do is sit in a weekly development meeting, and we will. I have a small staff of people, and we will look through every name and update one another with any activity. That’s gone on. Have they called? Have they researched? Have they have they ran any names by us to make sure? That there’s no conflict. And then we will make sure that those person, those people in question, will be receiving a phone call with a request for a meeting, a package in the mail. An email with a link to our eve i tte version or ari sponsorship version. Because of all the many modes that we all work in these days, a combination of social media, website, e blast and then traditional hard materials. We have so many ways, as we all know, since we receive all these many modes from other people to be able to create a cocoon of of opportunity for people to really know that this is going to be ever present in there, you know, in their communications modes over the next couple of months. Talking alternative radio twenty four hours a day. Hi, this is psychic medium. Betsy cohen, host of the show. The power of intuition. Join me at talking alternative dot com mondays at eleven a. M call in for a free second reading. 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We really need to spend a lot of focus on program because you don’t want to just get the room filled with three hundred people, god willing, you want to be able to have three hundred people in the room that are going to be moved by the eric their experience. So in addition to all of the recruitment components, what we’re looking at is how do we create the most compelling evening? Well, you create a compelling event by looking at what’s going to bring people to the information that you want in a way that they will be able to hear it best when people sit down in a room, they’re going to have an attention span for you for about forty five minutes, forty five minutes of between getting their dinner and their their appetizer, their main course, etcetera and getting their program in so what you what we do at my sister’s place is we start off we really we to answer your first question, we try to keep speakers to a minimum. We have one person that serves as the emcee through the evening that kind of guide you because the more transitions you have, the more time it’s taking and then more people have to keep switching their focus on and off from from people speak differently. People’s inflections or different you want to keep them on the track of where they’re engaged, but not asking them to remain engaged in all different style with all different style speakers. So we try and keep this speaker number to a minimum. If we are honoring somebody, we have an honoree. We have the personages introducing an awarding the honoree and we have an m c and then we have some kind of program components are these? Are these speakers all timed, including the honoree? That was exactly how much time here because every speaker is timed and the timing is on. Ly is good as the paper. You put it on because as i experienced today when you know we did a presentation here at the conference today, and the conference was running fifteen minutes behind, so that meant that our presentation either had to be fifteen minutes shorter or it had to the conference had to keep going fifteen minutes, you know, every every speaker was going to be fifteen minutes late. So what you have to know is that when you create these timelines and what we call them is a chronology of the evening that you created in the ideal fashion and you accept or know that you’re going to have to be malleable, you’re not going to take a cane and pull your speaker off the stage because they’re not sticking with the time constraints in the chronology, but you have to have realistic expectations for what people are going to do, even given the instructions that you give them. Andi, i think, nancy, i just want to make clear to the audience that this applies in really in any kind of event, absolutely. This doesn’t have to be a gala with hundreds of people where there was a big cocktail hour in our sitting in the waldorf astoria thing, this could be just you. Know this could just be patient. This could just be twenty five or fifty people at a luncheon as well, right? Absolutely. One person throws the timing off by two to three minutes. You’ve got two to three people doing that you’re already fifteen minutes behind, so you always have to be mindful of that as the professional, but at the same time, you want to really be able to share with your people. Oftentimes i asked people to share their presentation, so i time what their presentations going to bay and if it really is so far afield and look, obviously i can’t go to senator gillibrand and say to her chief of staff, i want to read her speech, and if the speeches you knows ten minutes longer than i wanted to be, i can gently say to her chief of staff, will we really would you know, we’re really hoping to move the programme in this direction and in this timing, and we want the senator to have the opportunity to be able to and you try and make it feel like it’s, you’re doing something for the other person, not that you’re being critical of the way they’re presenting that you’re giving them an opportunity. A supposed tio you’re taking away from their presentation. So suppose we have a lot of people we want to honor. Is it a mistake to have? I guess you could have. I mean, you could have too many honorees, and then the night is going to drag beyond the forty five minutes of attention that people have. Not only is it going to drag, but it also has not might not give the due to the honorees that you want them to have what we have done when we do group different groups of honorees. So if we’re honoring community groups a junior league, um ah on employee group inc ah, nde es a church based social action committee. What we will do is from the podium we will speak about each one will put a little thirty second short about each group together thirty second short video about each group together we’ll speak about them from the podium. We’ll speak about what they’ve done on behalf of our agency and we’ll ask them to stand at their seats and we acknowledge them and we take pictures with them before. The event starts at a predetermined place that’s set up for photography and do pictures and award presentation so that we’re not moving three or four or five people up to the stage to potentially speak and tio then take up another half hour in programming and wee wee, when we first did this, we were quite concerned that the honorees would feel offended that we weren’t giving them. Ugh, this really wasn’t an honoring us really was kind of paying tribute, which essentially is true, but what was the reaction? Every honoree was perfectly fine and comfortable, and i’m talking about everybody from a ceo to a big corporation. Teo, a junior league president, we have never met resistance from it. They understand that people you know, around on tight time frames, we have to recognize the change in our world and that people have limited attention span and limited time and that while they want to be supportive, they want to be supportive in the way that they can do it. That fits in with their lifestyle that fits in with their their personal, you know, their own personal attention spans and limited abilities. So what we want to do is really keep that at the forefront when we’re figuring out how to program nancy, would you have just about two minutes left about post event? Well, what what’s your advice around extinction, that theme on din the important follow-up to the event absolutely post event again, when we think of our theme post event, what we’re looking for is what’s going to come out of this event from both the fund-raising in a programmatic perspective. So after our human trafficking programs in both the fall in the spring are human trafficking fund-raising events, we were able to do a film screening at the jacob burns film center, we were able to do a number of round tables at different peoples there’s other events weigh many events, we call the many events, and then we’re able to create other small fund-raising opportunities to do that, and then you start to also really build and have evolving leadership for your agency because they become more deeply engaged in the issue. It’s also another way of bringing people back to something closer. I’m not as large an event, but but cracked its great follow-up because now you can spend more. Time talking about the agency and its work and it’s much more compelling, interesting than an email or a letter follow-up correct, absolutely. And you’ve gotten good response to them tow those many events? Yes, absolutely are round tables have been so well attended that the notion of a round tables that you have twelve people when you have twenty two people that want to come it’s, not a round table it’s a small event. So we really have been very focused on getting captains from communities to host individual round tables. So now here you are creating leaderships from different areas for your agency so that you start to have point people in different communities that you can call upon for a variety of different things and that your board of directors does not always become the only go to place for your agency. When you’re looking for people to become ambassadors, you want your event to raise money, to build awareness of an issue and build the next group of ambassadors for your agency out there in the larger community. And i believe if you accomplish those goals, you can feel really good about spinning your theme to make a successful event and a successful fund-raising operation nance, eleven, is director of development and external affairs at my sister’s place. Her conference topic at national philanthropy day is when an event is not just an event before, during and after spending your theme. Yeah, yes, thank you very much for being here. Thank you so much, tony. I’m so appreciative of having the opportunity and please do go to our website www dot msp and why dot or third more about the agency and more about how we do our business. Have a great day, nancy and happy birthday also, thank you very much. My thanks to nancy levin and the folks at westchester county association of fund-raising professionals and also william henry for both being guests today. Next week, i’ll be at the fund-raising day conference hosted by association fund-raising professionals in new york city chapter that’s their big fund-raising day we’re a media sponsor will be on the exhibit floor, and i’ll be doing lots of interviews for the show. So next week i’m going to rebroadcast a vintage show from august got women donors. My guests were on willbe michelle walsh from the us fund. For unicef and travis fraser from united way of new york city, we talk about successful initiatives to expand your female donor base and that was recorded at last year’s fund-raising day. Also, maria simple return with loving linked in our prospect research contributor has strategies for using linked in to find people and organizations who could be your next employee board members, donors or sponsors. We’re all over the social networks. 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Dahna hello and welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent i am your aptly named host it’s friday, december twenty third, two thousand eleven i sincerely hope you were with me last week because if not, you screwed up, you would have missed facebook fundamentals with john hayden principle of inbound zombie and co author of facebook marketing for dummies he covered getting your non-profit on facebook had a start had a facebook fund-raising attract fans and integrate with your other channels, you would have also missed your fresh faced website are regular tech contributor and the editor of non-profit technology news, scott koegler shared his thoughts on your freshened up website when different handup are you on message? Trude emission, do you have your call to action this week? It’s linked in lover’s jerry stengel principle of venture near mark halpert principle of your best interest and maria simple, the prospect finder and our regular prospect research contributor show their love tto linked in for research, branding, donors and volunteermatch judgment, recruiting board members and more that was recorded at national philanthropy day, hosted by a f p of westchester county, where we were a media sponsor, and also today your board can fundraise dennis miller principle of dennis c miller associates a lot of principles on today they’re three principles, so you’re gonna get your knuckles smacked if you’re not paying attention. 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Interested simply email at info at talking alternative dot com dahna welcome back to big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent on tony martignetti non-profit radio i have for you now a pre recorded interview linked in lovers from national philanthropy day just about two months ago. Three people expert in lincoln sharing their love on lincoln on here is that interview welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio coverage of national philanthropy day. We’re at the edith macy conference centre in briarcliff manor, new york, hosted by the association of fund-raising professionals westchester chapter was just a county chapter, and joining me now is mark halpert, managing partner of your best interest. Jerry strangle, president of venture near and maria simple, principal of the prospect finder and you’ll know maria because she’s, a regular contributor to the show there are seven our topic today at national flandez every day is linked in jerry single why is linked in why does it deserve a ah seminar old by itself? Why not general social media? So i’m going to first tell you what lincoln is not, and that’s not a stodgy place to put your resume. What it is is a research database of one hundred and thirty five million affluent influential people that you khun b, you know, approaching for donations. So you’re so you’re saying we can use lincoln as ah, a research tool? Absolutely. Absolutely so it’s it’s. Very simple to search. You’ve gotta form. You’re filling out geography, industry title passion. What klaus is people are interested in and you draw up a list of people that you’re connected. Tio okay, mark. Mark albert, are there other uses for for non-profits and linked another than the prospect research was ability wise? Yeah, sure. What you want to do in lincoln is you want to fill out the profile completely and thoughtfully with the right terms. The right words know what sections of lincoln’s profile are searchable. So you can get found when people are actually searching for you? Yes. And they want to go one step farther than that. And you want to make your entire organization your tire non-profit people in the non-profit and the non-profit itself look as good as you can. Everybody, uniformly. Okay, so we’re we’re scrutinizing all our employees linked in profiles. Is that what you mean for your co-branding it’s? Part of branding. You have to have the right brand, everybody. Has to tell the right story if you have the executive director who doesn’t tell the story, but the people underneath him or her who do tell the story of a disconnect, and we see that a lot with non-profits we’re trying to work with non-profits to understand this is a total package for the entire organisation, but its fundamentals are the people themselves everybody’s gotta look really good, maria simple. Well, we’re talking about prospect research, and we’ll go into more detail on that co-branding what’s another reason that non-profits should be involved in lincoln? Well, you know, you can make an awful lot of great connections in terms of looking for additional donors, allied professionals, board members for the organization so it’s really a treasure trove, rove of trying to connect with some people who are out there right in your own communities, if you are community based organization and you can do searches filtered right down to a specific zip code. For example, if you’re looking for people with a specific expertise or an interest in the type of programming and services that you provide, what can we do around allied professionals? First let’s tell people who want to keep you out of jargon jail, but i mean, if you’re if you’re in drug in jail, you’re not going to come back and be on the show again, so keep you out of there. What do you mean when you say allied professionals first? Well, allied professionals might be, for example, if you are unorganised ation like the civil liberties union, for example, you might be looking to connect with mohr attorneys right in the in your community who could be potentially great volunteers and board members for your organization. So this would enable you to identify some of those professionals in your communities who can help benefit your organization, not only perhaps, with their time, but with their money as well on dh, how do we find them? Well, there is an advanced search page on linked in and s o it is right next toothy search the general search box, you click on advanced search and you’ll come up with a whole new page to do the searching. Now this is free, by the way. We’re not talking about a fee based portion of lincoln. The advanced searches are free and the data results are really quite amazing, mark, you talkto about branding and and uniformity let’s say a little more about that cause i think it’s an aspect of social media that that non-profits aren’t paying that much attention to their thing about their message going out, but they’re not thinking about what they look like as they’re conveying messages. Well, one thing about lincoln it’s really unique, and i think it’s separates it from facebook, where a lot of non-profits are really doing a lot of work that lincoln is the audience. A lincoln is a professional man and woman who look at lincoln all day long in their business day. They might not look att facebook till they get home if they even do that in the evening so people can look at lincoln and commit to each other, work with each other, communicate with each other i have non-profits that exclusively used lengthen as their communication with their constituents. For example, a school in stanford, connecticut, they realise that all the parents in their school are professional so they don’t mess with facebook. They go directly to lengthen to have their parent teacher organization communications go out so it can really depends on who you’re trying to attract and how to convey the information. It’s branding, it’s specific, targeted communication skills and it’s, just a tremendous tool. It gets better and better every day. I think there’s new attributes toe linked in like two or three times a week, where they’re taking something they’ve had for about three or four years, and they’re just tweaking it a little more. This week. They tweaked events last week. They tweet some parts of your profile that you probably never even knew. You had to fill out our could fill out it’s there’s places to go in tow, lengthen that are not completely obvious. That’s, what the three of us do. We’re going to show in our seminar today where to find all this good stuff e-giving ending, ending e-giving. You’re listening to the talking alternate network e-giving. You could are you stuck in your business or career trying to take your business to the next level, and it keeps hitting a wall. This is sam liebowitz, the conscious consultant. I will help you get to the root cause of your abundance issues and help move you forward in your life. Call me now and let’s. Create the future you dream of. Two, one, two, seven, two, one, eight, one, eight, three, that’s to one to seven to one, eight one eight three. The conscious consultant helping conscious people. Be better business people. Hi, this is psychic medium. Betsy cohen, host of the show. The power of intuition. 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And i’m travis frazier from united way of new york city, and i’m michelle walls from the us fund for unicef. Dahna and i’m tony martignetti one of those commercials you heard was betsy cohen, psychic, medium that’s, he’s going to be a guest on the show on friday, february tenth, and what is a psychic medium going to do with respect to non-profits? You will have to stay tuned. If you really want to know in advance, then you can always sign up for our email alerts weekly email alerts on the facebook page. But, yes, we’re gonna have a psychic medium. Betsy will be a guest. You’re listening to my interview with jerry stengel, mark halpert and maria simple, linked in lovers from national philanthropy day at the a f p, westchester county. Yeah, if the westchester county and here’s the rest of that interview jimmy jerry what’s some of that job so excited by the good stuff on lengthen, i’m going, jerry strangle jimmy, jimmy she’s a gem, but that’s not her name. So we’ll share some of these hidden treasures in lengthen. So actually, i want to take a step back and talk a little bit about some research that engineer conducted over the summer and it’s going to be coming out within the next few weeks. Lengthen is the most underutilized and underappreciated big social media among non-profits and yet it has the greatest potential. So if you were to look at small businesses versus non-profits use of link in among socially active non-profits it’s about fifty percent using length in versace for small businesses, that’s about seventy percent. And among power users people that really, really use all social media extremely well, it’s eighty percent if you look a thie effectiveness rating non-profits have a very effective rating of eleven percent versus power users, which are thirty nine percent so a dramatic increase and the reason is that non-profits don’t get what lincoln really is and that that is a research database, so maybe seven percent of non-profits or using it it’s, a research database vs power users, which it’s about forty four percent and very few about not very few, but about a quarter of non-profits using length in to get an introduction vs power users, which i think is about fifty three percent, this is this is all very interesting cause we’re using we’re talking about using linkedin for branding for prospect research, but also for research beyond prospect research, this advanced search that maria was talking about him and the effectiveness reading that you’re talking about jerry. Now, how is this effectiveness rating determined? What does that mean? Really? So it was self reporting, it was a four point scale of of of the number one would be very effective and number four would be not at all effective. So, you know, whoever was answering the survey got to rate themselves and say i am very effective at linked in or i’m not very effective at lengthen, and if you look at other social media, facebook and twitter had much, much higher ratings and it’s that again non-profits aren’t getting powerful uses of linked in which you can use it to find board members. You can use it to find staff, you can use it to find strategic alliances. It’s not just about finding donors, maria simple, most underutilized yet most promising social media property. I would agree i would agree wholeheartedly with that, you know, i when i’m talking to a nonprofit organization about their presence in the social media landscape, for example, we don’t discount to the other avenues of social media. But then once we get into a discussion about what, what lincoln khun do, not only for you professionally but for your organization in terms of your organizations, growth, etcetera and brand matter-ness you know, in addition to having the individual profile pages of an individual, i think it’s important to note that there are the business pages, the company pages and non-profits can have a free, as they call it company page on linked in again, there you are being exposed in a professional environment toe other business professionals. And why not? Why not have a presence in that space as well as mark indicated about the search ability? You want to make sure that you have certain keywords there for search engine optimization, etcetera. So this is an opportunity for you to take advantage of another free tool to have not only your professional profile there but your organization’s business profile. Your organizational profile work. Where do we find this business page, or how does an organization find the place to create it’s business page? But i don’t think this is widely known no it’s, really not widely known, and in fact, it’s just been expanded considerably in the past couple of weeks. I just finished a five piece log piece on how non-profits can really blow out there. Not other company profile page, uh, it’s it’s, several layers deep it’s not just filling out forms it’s about thinking and using the peace of the web that is lincoln’s company profile page in an intelligent way, and telling the story of the non-profit what is the non-profit do? What of the products for the services of the non-profit offers and then under those products and services layers, talk about in detail. What does it do? How is it of any use? Why is it a compelling place for somebody wanted no more about it or give money to it? And then you can even recommend certain products or certain services of the non-profit right on the linked unpaid, so it builds. I built a lot of attention, it’s searchable. It builds a lot more credence to what the non-profit does than it normally doesn’t. Often these not these non-profits are suffering with really poor websites, and this makes the website less important, and it puts more eyes on lincoln. Where do we go to find this house non-profit leaders going to linked in islington dot com? But here she is in their own personal profile. Where do they go from there? Are you able to talk them through to find the place where they start to create their own business page? Sure, when you go into your when you land on linked in your in your home page at the top right of the home page, there’s a search box and there’s a downward pointing arrow that’s right now probably says people as you’re looking at your website because that’s at your lincoln site that’s really where, where it defaults to click where it says comes down to it, says companies on the dropdown, click companies, and then you can type in a search for any company that has a linkedin page. If it comes up with no linkedin page, which many non-profits test to see who has done this for us have have we haven’t done it, then you can add a company profile page. Think about how you add the pictures of graphics, the logo, the language, how you’re conveying your non-profit do you need help? Do you need money? Are you looking for something and ask? Don’t be afraid to tell business professionals we’re really folks, this is where the money is right now in this type of economy, ask for the help you need. Mark alpert is managing partner of your best interest jerry stengel is president of venture near maria simple is principal of the prospect finder and a regular contributor to the show, and we’re talking about linked in at the national philanthropy day hosted by the, uh, association of fund-raising professionals, westchester county chapter jerry volunteers hyre hyre can we use advanced search to help find people who are likely or even just possible volunteers for our organization? So i’m so glad you asked that question because linkedin just pretty pleased with myself. Now that since you said it all, i’ll reveal my own pleasure with it, so lengthen just added a new feature for volunteer experience and causes, so i really want to urge every volunteer every non-profit fresh inal to fill out that those fields within their profile, because that’s, the way that a non-profit is going to be able to find you, and you can be found for a non-profit that maybe you’re not aware of, but it is in your sweets, but in the claws of the passion that you really care about, so you’re encouraging an organization to encourage their they’re volunteers to fill out their volunteer section knew volunteers section and their own personal profiles that right? Correct. So i really want to encourage a non-profit to encourage every management person, all staffers, all volunteers, including and most especially board members, to fill out and blow out their profile on more specifically to fill out that volunteer experience and cause section markers were encouraging volunteers, everyone in this in the all the constituents to do this, as jerry just said, how can we ensure that there’s going to be consistency across all these different profiles in the way they describe their work or they’re volunteering with our non-profit how can we ensure consistency? Well, someone on the non-profit staff needs to have ownership of the company profile page and tell the folks who work in the non-profit or that our volunteers or a board members, the message that the organizations the whole wants to convey, each person can put that into their own words, but let’s be consistent in the eventual message that’s being put out there. The wonderful thing about lincoln is throughout the profile that you individually have you khun say in so many ways, how really special you are how people need to know more about you, there’s nothing wrong with saying that today’s social economy. So tell people how you stand out from the crowd and if you’re really pay proud of the non-profits you work for or work in, tell them how you and your non-profit stand out in the crowd, it’s simple. You just have to think it through, write you would stop short, then of of scrip eating on, giving specific language, you wouldn’t go that far. You really wouldn’t want to go there know that that becomes too stilted. I think the one thing about social media is it’s a very natural to very from the gut type of thing of expression, and this is a way that you need to tell the same message, but you need to say it in your own words. I really encouraged my clients to really express who they really are as opposed to tow a line. Maria, do you have more advice around what you’re encouraging volunteers and employees and other other constituents that are close to the organization to say in their own linked in profile? Now, i do. You know, i concur, though, with both mark and jerry, that this is an opportunity for the non-profit again to get their name out there, because if let’s say you have between your board and your core base of volunteers, let’s say you’ve got one hundred people right that’s, one hundred ambassadors for your organization that if they on their own individual profiles, indicate that they are a volunteer with x y z organization. Then again, it’s another place on the web where your organization name is mentioned. So, you know again, it’s is just getting out there getting that exposure, so it’s an opportunity for you to have yet another free venue to have to get your name out there. What else, maria? That that i haven’t asked about linked in that you’re going to be bringing the three of you going to be bringing out in your seminar later, pretty much covered it. Mark and jerry, have we left anything out? So there’s one point that i want to make and that’s our non-profits complain the most about the amount of time that social media takes and how are users? Interestingly, spend the most time twenty five hours a week on social media do not complain at all about the time because they’re getting the value out of it. And the last point that i want to make is when i got into social media, the easiest one for me to do was length in, and it was the least time intensive, so i think you’ll get the most out of length in as a non-profit what’s been your experience, geri what? What kind of payoff have you seen from? From link from the time you do spend on lincoln, i get a lot of traffic directly to venture near. Which provides webinars and free education. Okay, mark, about your what’s been your your return? I guess on lengthen. Well, i i have another business in aside from being a linked in coach and i get business, i book business actually into that business from people who find me a lincoln or refer me through lincoln. I just booked up good size piece of business out of san francisco this past week from it. One thing i want to add to a jury saying, yeah, you can think it’s time consuming, but an investment in you there’s no better person to invest in in your personal brand than to use linked in and keep commenting on things that you said that you read in information you want to convey, give more than you receive. Pay it forward talk about items that are of interest to your articles. You’ve read in a headline update, and people will remember goods stuff that you share with them, and then you’re in their eyes again and again, and people come to me and say, oh, i just saw your update. I forgot i needed to talk to you, then i think i’m back on the radar again, it’s. Wonderful, your personal page and your business. And the organization is not sitting well, maria, anything? What has been your return on the time you spend on lengthen? You know, i think for me, lincoln has really kind of served as my my repository for managing contacts. You know, we talk about all these fancy give contact management systems and so forth, but in terms of me as a business owner, if i meet somebody at at a networking event or at a conference like today and if we exchanged business cards, if that person does not have a presence on linked in, unless that person is going to make an extremely extraordinary effort to stay in touch with me, it will probably drop off, however, were on linked in. Then i’m occasionally seeing their updates, their post there seeing mine. And we’re staying front and center with each other in this world that is just so incredibly harried and fast. So again, it’s it’s an opportunity. I think mark touched upon sharing of information. It’s a wonderful way for you two if you can. As a non-profit executive, this is what i tell non-profit executives. If you can at least once a week once a week, have something intelligent to say on your update box, you may have an article to share that you’ve read elsewhere. You don’t have to make it up yourself if you’re speaking somewhere. If your organization has an event, you’re sponsoring something, this is an opportunity for you to get the word out, so that update box is phenomenal and we’ll help you can’t keep your network in the loop with what’s going on, the topic is the underutilized yet most promising of the social media properties, as jerry stengel said, linked in and the speakers are mark alpert, managing partner of your best interests. Jerry stengel is president of venture near and maria simple is principal of the prospect finder. Mark jerry maria, thanks very much for joining me. Thanks so much. Thank you. Thank you. Been a pleasure. This is tony martignetti non-profit radio coverage of national philanthropy day at thie edith macy conference centre in briar cliff manor, new york, hosted by the association of fund-raising professionals westchester county chapter my thanks to those three linking lovers that linked in triumvirate we take a break now when we come back, it’s, tony’s, take two, and then my interview with dennis miller. Your board can fundraise, so please stay with me. You’re listening to the talking alternative network. Are you feeling overwhelmed in the current chaos of our changing times? A deeper understanding of authentic astrology can uncover solutions in every area of life. After all, metaphysics is just quantum physics. Politically expressed buy-in, montgomery, taylor and i offer lectures, seminars and private consultations. For more information, contact me at monte m o nt y at r l j media. 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My block this week is say thank you before you have to. I had a couple of businesses right and call me to thank me for being a customer of theirs, but they really weren’t showing genuine gratitude because my credit card had been canceled because the number got compromised. So these were a couple of businesses that i had automatic payment set up on, and i had for gotten about those on dh, you know, so they couldn’t get the money. So then all of a sudden they needed, you know, one of the number, and along with that request for my new number came how grateful they were to have my business. But i think at that point, it would’ve been embarrassing for them not to have said that because i had been a customer for three years with one of them and between five and six years with the other, so and that had never heard any expression of gratitude from either of them before that. So that got me thinking, you know, why? Wait until you have to say something to somebody like we need your way got to get back in your pocket to say thank you. Why not show gratitude at other times when it’s not embarrassing to not show the gratitude? And i think that has implications for fundraisers and that’s what my block post is about. So say thank you to people, whether their donors or colleagues or loved ones, whatever before you really have to say thank you, because then it’s really genuine that is tony’s take two for friday, december twenty third, and you’ll find the more on that subject on my block at m p g a devi dot com i have an interview now also from the association of fund-raising professionals westchester chapter national flats every day, and this is with dennis miller. Your board can fundraise here’s that interview welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio coverage of national philantech thirty day where the edith edith macy conference centre in briar cliff manner, new york, were hosted by the association of fund-raising professionals westchester county chapter my guest now is dennis miller he’s, the president of dennis c miller associates. He works with leaders of non profit organizations who want a more motivated and cohesive board, and his seminar topic is how to engage and motivate your board to participate in fund-raising dennis miller, welcome, welcome, tony, thanks to be here, what’s the challenge that you see among non-profits in getting their board to do fund-raising it’s a combination of these probably the basic premise behind why boards are we’re looking to get engaged is because they don’t have the confidence we don’t do a very goodjob when we’re recruiting board members to explain up front of what we want, what we expect of them. Ah, and then the second thing is we have unrealistic expectations off our boards, we think just because we now have recruited the president, the bank, well, the vice president, business development to join our board that they know about fund-raising and they don’t, so this is both an art and a science, and i have to be taught it the other thing which i talk about, let me just stop you for sex so they might be very sophisticated in their practice in their business, very successful, but that doesn’t mean that they know charitable fund-raising it doesn’t translate, you might be the best attorney mass marking person. It doesn’t translate the fund-raising and what i help my clients with tony and what i write about in my book is sort of the ten cup theory to the investment theory and the ten cups there goes something like this, and when i was a little boy, my mom took me to radio city music hall during the holiday season, and you had to kind of go through the port authority from new jersey. It was always a guy selling pencils and a ten cup when a leg looked like that one leg on some cardboard box, and most people perceived fund-raising as begging, um, and and the biggest fear they have is a sense of rejection. So most people are terrified of fund-raising because they see it as begging and rejection. And so how how we start to look before we get to breaking that breaking that down, let’s, start about talk about something that you you mentioned earlier, setting expectations for boardmember zoho where did when do? We start to set the expectations we need to start that, tony, when we begin to identify and recruit boardmember is not after when we are looking for board members. We need to be looking for up front, you know? They have the capability of being aboard leader don’t look for the board chair when the board chair steps down. Look for the time, recruitment is the same thing with philantech buy-in friendraising let him know the expectation, let him know the kind of dollar range you’re hoping for them to make a contribution for. Let him know what you’re kind of activities with special events or how to help him open up doors and cultivate, let you know, up front what is expected. We often fail to do that. We have a sort of the warm heart theory we’d rather get you want to board any price, even if we think, you know, we don’t want to make a fun of is it might scare you off the board that’s a big mistake, because fund-raising is a critical function of boards. It’s a huge mistake, and so we get into this situation where you know he went the development. Office becomes extremely unhappy because the board isn’t helping out. The board feels very frustrated with development office because he or she is not raising enough money comes out of a vicious cycle and it goes into these russian and round around again. Yeah. Do you like to see these expectations in writing? Oh, absolutely. I i believe it. This should be actually individual boardmember responsibilities that you actually sign when you come on the board, you should sign up for anything. Everyone time you have a new term, i think should be heavily discusses, part of border orientation at a board meeting, and you kind of build a culture of not just responsibility, but you build a culture of accountability and we a sector itself, generally speaking sort of failed to do that. All right? So let’s, go back to what we were. We were on the subject of begging, though. So how do we get people to recognise board members that this is is not begging. This is giving to ah, critical mission that you’re supposed that you’re in love with. What did i do? Tony is i asked a very simple question at a border treated at a board meeting. Tell me what your top achievements are. It is amazing to me how many organizations struggle to tell you what their achievements are. You know that. So you start with the process of getting people understand that why do people really give money? And they really give money now besides they give to people, though, because they’ve been asked to give to someone they trust respect. The two biggest changes have taken place in philanthropy over the past decade or so is people now give the success not the stress and they give the opportunity is not needs. So the key to success is to begin you organization and understanding. What are yu achievements? How do you measure success? What is the value? You’ve righted a community. How do you make a difference in lives of others? Are outcomes is another way of sound. How do you measure your outcomes? And what are they? And how do you measure them? Because it’s all now about investing in your success not about giving to you distress. And when you were in that mindset of the ten cup theory, the board is not going to be engaged. Your development dahna gay so what? I teach people in both my my speaking by lectures in my books and my consultation is is how to make that transition and part of it is is a process, but it’s, how do you find a meaningful experience for the board? How do you just move the board level of participation up from just being produced shares your teaching to being a partner in a leader? How do you keep newly re examine your mission and purpose? How do you constantly strive for success when board members feel responsible for your success? They’re more likely to be engaged, okay, let’s, break some of those down the meaningful experience. How do we now? We’ve recruited a boardmember we have hopefully set the expectations correctly about about around fund-raising and that’s what you and i are talking about motivating your board for fund-raising how do we make fund-raising meaningful for the new boardmember geever when i tell people talk to people and by the way, i mean, i did this. I’m a former ceo moflow boy chair, so i i’m i’m not just a consultant. I’ve done this for myself, so if we know we know. Your bona fide okay would have had you on a few repression in your credentials. My point to your listeners that yeah, i think it’s the job of the board chair and the job of the ceo to identify the talents, unique talents, each unique boardmember has tried to find some way of bringing out that talent, given some responsibility, find a way to engage them so they feel a partnership with you, not just handing out, you know, job, job, roles, responsibilities and put him in a little box that don’t cost my box. The key to success is moving a boardmember from the founding fiduciary strategic board, the one of leadership i think when you have a leadership board and their work with you and they’re sharing ideas and sharing experiences in asking questions, what exactly can become more engaged? How are we going to get to what they’re what they’re individual personalities and expertise is around fund-raising how do we get out of the ceo and the board chair? Assess what each person is going to be good at? Well, day is start again. It starts with your expectation of fun. Okay, you have to find out. Some people is it just a conversation? You just engage people? I think it’s a combination of process. It’s it’s what i tell people time you don’t put a ten year old up a bit but played a yankee stadium expect made a home run, we have to help people build their confidence is we’ve got to find small ways of building success, the more steps foot success. It helps build their self confidence, and i find it’s all about confidence building and and we need to do and what better job as ceos as board leaders and helping develop the compass and others? It’s not the people don’t want to do it so other people don’t want to help you raise money. They’re afraid too, and they’re not sure how to do it. But so it’s about the only self confidence they do want to help you because they love the mission. They want others to love it and they want to see it thriving. Absolutely so it’s it’s about how do we how do we help other people build conquered now? Everything that i’m sorry i cut you off. But that yeah, that the idea that i think. Is important is that every a person doesn’t have to be asking for a gift. I mean, aren’t there a lot of things around? Fund-raising and everybody doesn’t have to be sitting face to face and asking for a donation. I agree with that, but i mean, that’s scares to people the jitters when you ask himto you’re gonna be asking others for gift here, i actually don’t even sometimes i want my board to be asking, but when i want my board to do for me eyes too, i want to advocate for my mission. I want him to tell their friends and neighbors how proud they are to be part of the organization. I want them to help open up doors and helped cultivate relationships. That is the most important thing that i want i want what development officer seo wants us have the board helped cultivate relationships, and you do that, and you’ll do that when you really begin to feel passion about that mission and that’s the key that’s, the key to success it i’ll be the ceo, and i’ll ask him for the gift or someone else that knows him much, but may have been a gift. I want the board to help open doors and cultivate relationships. I also want them to help identify potential, give potential. I want him to write a little personal note on the annual appeal. Hey, tony, hope we can count on you for support again. Dennis. Uh, that’s, but i want my board people okay, we start off with this fear we you know, we immediately say we’ve gotto asking us. Forget for gas that’ll come in time. We certainly may want you to ask people for sponsorships for events which was all provoc comes their bottom line, but i’m not a big proponent of actually have the board do the asking until they are ready for it until they’re mature is boardmember until we’ve built up their confidence. So we let’s, let’s, let’s break some of these down opening doors. How how can a boardmember be helpful in making introduction open indoors, hosting events or just bringing people to the agency or what? Tony there a number way, certainly bringing a friend or a colleague to a special event and let him get a chance to see the organization meet some of the people your organization, so that’s very helpful. Number two is that when you were out a meeting? Um, uh, one of your board meeting. So when you’re at one of your membership meetings or in your country club over cocteau, tell people about how much he enjoyed being on this organization what’s going on, and then one of things that is great to be able to do is if you can host like, a cultivation event at your home, maybe for ten couples, you know, five couples, some wine and cheese. Ah, tell him about the organization. Tell me want to take on a come on? The tour introduced him to the president. It’s a it’s, a it’s, a relationship building its cultivation building. That is the ideal thing. If you ask most development office that’s what you got there, boy, we’re going to break those down into we’re gonna get into some more detail. I just want to remind people that dennis miller is the president of dennis c miller associates. He works with leaders of non profit organizations who want a more motivated and cohesive board on dh. Dennis and i are talking about motivating your board around fund-raising you mentioned assessing gift potential of aa prospect how would a boardmember help with that? Well, one the boardmember may have some sense of their home values, their wealth. They may know if they’re making political contributions, they may have an idea how they’re doing economically. Not so they can share that now. There’s, you know, beyond the scope of my discussion with you, tony, today and, you know, a lot of people like maria semple, others who’s sort of evaluate, you know, give potential for people in all the different software that are out there but a boardmember if they know someone probably has a fairly good idea of what they think that potential maybe, okay, maria simple, of course dennis mentioned is our regular prospect research contributor, and we’re also going to be talking to her later today on the subject of linked in which she’s covered on my show as a contributor. But she’s on a panel today talking about linked in what about thanking donors? You mentioned that board members could be useful in that respect, how lett’s flush that out. One of the best ways that i think to get bored, engaging fund-raising is a thank dahna what? I call a stewardship night, stuart. Tonight is where every boardmember may get five, maybe ten names and it’s scripted, and so if you made a gift when it’s one hundred dollars for a thousand dollars each, boardmember is it provided a a script of calling the donor and say, listen, hi, dennis miller, i’m on the board of whatever i want to thank you for the for the gift of one hundred dollars you gave this year because your gift we were able to do the following thing, do somewhere children, pediatrics or whatever, and what it does is connect you with the person. Therefore there people like to be acknowledged for the gifts and the more likely that you mouse and thank them, the more likely they are to attribute you in the future. It sounds like the sole purpose of that call is to say thank you. Thank you. And would you make another gift? Not a tournament, if you gotta. You gotta thank him. S oh, that’s. A big way. Yeah. You’re gonna mention another well, the the the other way is obviously is you know what, with little personal notes and little letters thanking him. Um and obviously, you know, that kind of a process, but you want to when you personally don’t, but if you don’t know, have the board divide up some names of donors and make that call that you absolutely do not want to thank him for the gift and ask him for a gift that defeats the whole purpose of okay, what about for ah, institutional fund-raising so when if the non-profits going after foundation or corporate support, how khun board members be useful there? Well, one of the ways that a boardmember, um, useful, that is first we’ll take a look at who’s on the board or who’s on the executive team of that corporation or foundation that you’re splicing from, it really helps if you can maybe identify someone to say, listen, i don’t know the person, but i know the firm they worked for, and i know someone who works for that firm, so maybe we could make an introduction that’s one way number two, the border be very helpful if they can review that foundation of that corporation, their website, along with the development officer, look at the criteria of why they’re e-giving too often people. Just send in grant applications without understanding the criteria. What they’re looking for. A good automatically, you know, neglected or rejected. So that’s, kind of where i think the boy remember all complain. Talking alternative radio, twenty four hours a day. Metoo hi, i’m carol ward from the body mind wellness program. 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And on tony martignetti non-profit radio your listening to my interview with dennis miller, your board can fundraise here’s the end segment of that interview. Okay, so it’s a flesh out the details of that you would actually be sharing with the board a list of organizations and people who are affiliated with that organization to see who knows who. Absolutely. Tony, what i would do is maybe identify the top ten corporations of foundation were trying to put into our package of solicitations for show who’s on the executive team, show who’s on your respective boards and ask people, did they know anybody? Or do you think they know somebody can get to somebody? It’s really helped? Well, two pride of submitting an application if you can build a relationship. What i have done in the past is obviously, is if i know the person on the corporation or the foundation ask if we could have a cup of coffee with my client, set up a little meeting, and then usually they will say, you know, we’re not focusing this year on that, but we’re focused on this so they can help. Much weaker, you know, picked from falls. A bit better. Is it appropriate to ask a boardmember tau host events or in their home, perhaps? Or is that going? Is that going beyond? No, i think that’s a responsibility. I don’t think it’s realistic that you’re gonna have everybody you ever border fifteen people, you know, they have two or three people a year. Maybe host a little event at their home. It doesn’t have to be. Some may know major gallop. A host of friends at their home barbecue. You know cocktails, hors d’oeuvres i that’s a great way. It’s. Everybody know everybody bring five or ten people. I mean that’s. Ah, i chaired the board of ah of st joseph regional high school in mont phil for a number of years. Shared their camp st joe’s. I grew up in altum pan. My friends went to st james so my son graduate. Oh five. And you know i have people come over my house was pretty cool because at the time, mayor rudy giuliani son went there. We had a cultivation at my house. We had one at major lee anne’s house in the city. And you know it brings people involved, engage and breaks. Breaks the walls and a little bit people were probably impressed with his home, but he doesn’t own that the taxpayers own it. So actually it’s gracie mansion, so don’t you know, let’s, let’s keep it he’s no longer the resident there ever was, and he never was the owner. He was in private residence at the time. You got a crazy man, okay? Hyre and that’s another way of helping to build confidence, i think cause you’re finding something that boardmember can easily do host a half a dozen or a dozen people in their home said i think, you know, i’m kind of go over this again, the biggest thing that we fail to do as ceos, developing directors of board members, we what i’m actually think because you’re depressed, thank you should be confident doing this and they’re not, you know, it doesn’t translate, so we have to help build that competent those organizations that spent some time and energy and investment and trying to build their confidence, the ones that have the boats, powerful success, long term success, increasing donors and increasing dollars in just a minute and a half that we have left are so don’t us, what about the recalcitrant boardmember now they’re on, they’re already on the board, and they’re just not willing to help with fund-raising in any of these respects, whether it’s hosting an event or asking people, they’re just not willing. Well, the biggest thing that i do with my clients is i look at the find out, particularly i do a lot of board governing board performance assessments, do you have a re appointment process and what you want to be able to do is listen, not everybody is going to be able to host a party. I do expect for my clients that every boardmember make a personal gift annually to the organization, not so much, you know, forgetting something returned like a golf batting or gala to make a gift subject to you means now again, if you go back to beginning conversation, we had tony if there’s expectations of the boardmember are clear up front and over a period of time, you have not lived up to your expectations than i would expect that person not to be reappointed aboard. Also talkto if you go to my web site www d c miller associates dot com i have a number of articles, one is about how and when the fire boardmember now, you know, i don’t take this lightly, but there’s a lot of different ways of how you can deal with these type of board members that have some type of disruptive behavior and don’t contribute. You mentioned you’ve written books, i’ll want to give you the opportunity to plug one of your books on dh then we have to go into the outro. My new book is called a non-profit board therapist. Ah, guy to unlocking your organization’s true potential it’s available online at barnes and noble amazon and what their house dot com thank you, tony. My pleasure. Dennis miller again is president of dennis c miller associates works with leaders of non profit organizations who wanted more motivated and cohesive board. Denis, thank you very much for being against tony. Thanks for having me well appreciated. My pleasure. 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Tony’s guests this week are:
Reynolds Cafferata, Esq., Partner, Rodriguez, Horii, Choi & Cafferata
Kathryn Miree, Principal, Kathryn W. Miree & Associates
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