467: Recruiting Your Next CEO – Tony Martignetti Nonprofit Radio

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This week: 

Recruiting Your Next CEO 
“As a board member of a nonprofit organization, the most important responsibility you are likely to assume will be to hire your chief executive officer.” So starts the book, “A Guide To Recruiting Your Next CEO.” Author Dennis Miller walks us through. (Originally aired 12/22/17) 

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391: Authentic Selves In Work & Board Change Agents – Tony Martignetti Nonprofit Radio

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Raj Aggarwal, president, Provoc; Sabelo Narasimhan, North American digital campaign manager at 350.org; and Glamarys Acevedo, professional development specialist for Mamatoto Village. 

Also, Greg Cohen, associate director for Cause Effective.

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370: Recruiting Your Next CEO – Tony Martignetti Nonprofit Radio

tony_martignetti_300x300-itunes_image2Tony’s guest this week:

Dennis Miller, author of “A Guide to Recruiting Your Next CEO: The Executive Search Handbook for Nonprofit Boards.” 

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346: Persuading The Wealthy To Donate & Your Board’s Role In Executive Hiring – Tony Martignetti Nonprofit Radio

tony_martignetti_300x300-itunes_image2Tony’s guests this week:

Ashley Whillans, assistant professor at Harvard Business School.

Also, Gene Takagi, our legal contributor and principal of NEO, the Nonprofit & Exempt Organizations Law Group.

There’s more at tonymartignetti.com

345: Don’t Be The Founder From Hell & Your DR Plan – Tony Martignetti Nonprofit Radio

tony_martignetti_300x300-itunes_image2Tony’s guests this week:

Jim Nowak, founder & president of the dZi Foundation. 

Also, Dar Veverka, vice president of technology for LIFT. 

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155: LinkedIn To Find Great Candidates & LinkedIn Page Analytics – Tony Martignetti Nonprofit Radio

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Marc Halpert, LinkedIn trainer and evangelist

Maria Semple, The Prospect Finder, consultant in prospect research and author of “Panning for Gold: Find Your Best Donor Prospects Now!”

Read and watch more on Tony’s blog: http://tonymartignetti.com

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Metoo hello and welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent. I’m your aptly named host. Oh, i hope you were with me last week, you’d cause me mitral regurgitation if i heard that you had missed get the best out of your board, our panel shared wisdom on identifying, recruiting, training, engaging and transitioning board members. That was alison chair now terry, billy and holly bellows and back to board basics part do jean takagi are legal contributor returned to continue our discussion on sound board practices, term limits, automatic removal and very young trustees this week. It’s linked in for the whole show first linked in to make hires. Mark alpert is a linked in trainer an evangelist, he returns to the show to explain how linked in branding and search along with your non-profits profile page can work together to help you find the best people to fill your job openings that was recorded at fund-raising day back in june, and linkedin page analytics maria simple, our prospect research contributor and the prospect finder, introduces the new page analytics very new. Identify your linked in updates that drive the greatest engagement. Get detailed demographic data about your followers and even benchmark your follower base against similar pages between the guests on tony’s, take two. Create the impossible. We have now the interview with mark halpert on linked in from making hires and hears that. Welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio coverage of fund-raising day twenty thirteen, we’re in the marriott marquis hotel in times square, new york i first interview first guest today is mark helper. He is a linked in trainer and evangelist, teaching businesses and non-profits nationwide to use linkedin as a power tool for their marketing and recruiting his seminar topic is five ways to find great candidates or we’re going to talk about using linked in for your work as you are seeking the best candidates for your organization. Mark albert welcome. Thank you very much. Nice to be back again. That’s. A pleasure. Yes. Pleasure to have you back. You have been a guest. Okay. You have five five methods of organisations finding the best candidates before we get into one through five. How come you always say linkedin is an underutilized tool? Why is that on the non-profit community? It’s perceived to be either a job recruitment tool or just for businesses. And lincoln has ahold of vision just dedicated to non-profits called lincoln for good. It works with non-profits to help them achieve their mission, find good candidates, find board members to all sorts of things that linked that non-profits typically struggle with but to use this tool in a really effective way. And how did they find linked in for good? Where where did they go to get this? Well, there’s, you go to the lincoln website, you can go to the help center type in lincoln and non-profits, and it’ll do a search for you. Give you all sorts of topics that you can go to other websites, sub websites that will lead non-profit with video and with many great suggestions. Or come listen to me. Talk about it this afternoon. Well, so it could be a little late for that now, because people are gonna be listening to this that’s after today. That’s okay. They missed you at fund-raising day. But you do a lot of speaking all over the place. People on dh when we get into what you’re gonna be speaking about, your first recommendation is branding your staff board and agency saying that everything has to look their best. What’s this what? How do we do this on linked in? Well, if you’re looking for candidates, they’re going to do one of two things they’re going to look for your at your website, hopefully have a good website, not all non-profits do that’s a whole nother top or they’re gonna look atyou on google if you still don’t come up well in the google search and your website’s going to the top of google search, you’re gonna go someplace else and they’re going to go toe linked in because business people go to link to him business people in non-profits who are or work with non-profits that are board members that are officers of non-profits if they’re seeking a new position, they’re going to look in the job section a lincoln, then they’re gonna look at your organization. They’re gonna look at your company profile page most non-profits don’t even know what a company profile pages or where to find it or how to make it effective. That’s part of the secret sauce? Okay, but a company profile page is basically a lincoln website for your organization that allows you to show what you do and what your products or your services are all right now, we can’t optimize this in this the time. Twenty minutes, right? But how do we begin the process of creating one if we don’t have ah, company paid. Okay again, go to the help center and type in create company profile page. It’ll start you along with the instructions you need to do a very simple okay. It’s designed to be easy is designed to be actually fun. It will allow graphics. It will allow you to connect the names of the people in your organization who either work there, volunteered there are on the board there and it will connect them. So when you find that person on linked in, it automatically shows that they’re connected to your non-profit so the whole concept here is branding ah, bring your brand, tony. You work very hard at your brand. I’m a brand. I work very hard at my brand. We each bring to the table something unique. We each also have a value proposition. We each also want to convey to the market that we are unique and relevant to what we’re doing. Try me. Buy me. Buy me again, alright? Yeah and i don’t think organizations non-profits think of linked in for that purpose. I wish they would love the idea of connect you can connect your board members so that i guess you’re the organization page will appear on their page or organisation is mentioned on their personal profile pigeon can be associate it with your great organizations, you give your time and you give your money as a boardmember right? Why not mention and show off the organization you so strongly believe in and vice versa your company profile page as a non-profit can show all the people that support you, they may be volunteers, they may be boardmember sze, they may be the officers and the employees, and it should be every employee that has a public face for your organization that could be your payments clerk who talks to people outside. It could be your your your donor in-kind collections, folks, all the volunteers in a volunteer absolute volunteering there should be connected if you have the past, you’re absolutely right. So so we’ve established the fact that each of us is a brand we’ve established the fact that each non-profit needs to shore brand has also established the fact by association that one should reflect on the other, but that’s not where. You stop, you have to write your profile, whether your personal profile, your company profiles a non-profit in a way that stimulates and gets people excited it’s not cut and paste her resume onto your personal profile page that’s death, because if you’re not getting business or you’re not getting calls for new opportunities, you have yourself to blame because you did what you should never do, and that’s, make yourself look dull and boring. Same for the non-profit if you’re not getting enquiries and you’re not getting donors or volunteers coming to your door to psych, i believe in your mission. You’re doing a great job. You’re not telling your story, so there are ways to optimize your company page for linked in search say it right use search engine optimization keywords that are relevant to what your mission does search engine optimization key words are the words that people think to say, oh, i wonder if there’s a non-profit out there that believes in whatever that is. The other thing that’s really, really amazing, which is badly undersold here, is that corporate people, people in corporate backgrounds who are either big donors or corporate sponsors and have a sway with the company that they work for can find your organization if your organization’s mission matches what the company wants to fund and corporate people use linked in all day long, they’re on linked in from the moment they turn on their email in the morning to the moment they turn it off in the evening when they leave. That true we know is true. We know, though this we know this we’ve seen this. I’ve heard this anecdotally from people who stopped using google to search out people who can provide services or product to them. They go toe linked in because it’s a much more effective search. Lincoln is business people to business people. The web is everything and anything, and you get a much better search on linked in if you’re looking for somebody who can service your company, so vice versa. If a corporate person is looking to find the right organization to sponsor or wants to buy a table at your gala, they’re gonna look for the right person to speak to through linked in, and that is huge. Also after perhaps you’ve approached them, maybe you’ve already found them. They’re then gonna look. Atyou unlinked them as the as how is this organization brand itself? And what are they asking me to be involved with as a sponsorship? Because everybody corporate understands branding, and so they have to believe in you, and you have to show them you also come to the table with the right brand and then finally there’s something a lincoln has that is available to every single non-profit in united states, and that is a free subscription to what head hunters use called talent solutions. But what non-profits khun uses called boardmember connect, and it allows you to do a highly effective search gives you access to a free subscription, which headhunters pay for aa lot of money every month. One non-profit one person in every non-profit excuse me can have access to the subscription for free for as long as you need it. And we have a gift we’ve talked about boardmember connect yes in the past. Yes, when you’ve been on oppcoll and all right, what? We have to leave that topic. But how did people find boardmember connect same way. Go to the search and search for yeah help center and search boardmember can do within lincoln and it’ll send me right and, like, and then there’s, lots of guidance, lots of videos. There are groups and lincoln. Just deal with boardmember. Connect their people in lincoln for good, who will help non-profits learn how to use boardmember connect constant webinars, seminars or contact may contact anybody else who really gets how to use lincoln. 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We’ve done that right, ok, fact, the profile page, but if your profile your profile page allows you to put your brand allows you to put your logo allows you to put a picture of what your organization is doing in action on the company profile page, it allows you to show all the services that you provide to your market or to your to the people that need your services, and then it allows you to go one more step deeper too fully explained that product of service on a separate page, and i have many non-profits would’ve added youtube’s. They’ve added audio, they would add whatever makes sense in a multimedia because people remember, as you and i know multimedia much better than when they just read it, right? This is huge and videos or very much i think clique candy people love to watch a two minute video salon. It’s two minutes. Yeah, well, you know what i’m talking about? Yeah, yeah, no, i’m not a charlotte know people love to click that that little triangle to play and you you’re saying you can bet that in your profile page unlinked? Yes, specific to the product that you’re trying to demonstrate you going multiple videos, i have meant i’m going to show unexamined love. Ah non-profit in connecticut’s and an extremely good job of this so well that lincoln is looking to them is one of the poster children of what makes sense what you should be doing right now. Okay, let’s, move teo knowing how to best post jobs and be searchable while we talked a little about being searchable but posting jobs. What what’s there going on post jobs in three different ways on lincoln, you can post jobs right on linked in, and you see that all day every day and that’s something that costs a bit of money and i’m getting e mails to that lincoln thinks i’m looking for a job and it’s based on a guess based on my profile and your marriage to once a week, i get an email that says these are jobs that you may be interested in when there’s a half a dozen or so right, and they’re hoping that i’m not learn a job. I’m never very gainfully employed working for myself, but so it i don’t want you to think i’m using this as a as a platform to get employment not true, mark, you’re not looking for employment, right? You’re happily employed, i’m very happy and self employed, but but for those who are are looking for jobs and candidates. How do you get into those emails that i’m getting? Well? You get those emails and he said you had a conversation with somebody the day before week before who is looking for a job then that pops in your mind? Oh, yeah. Mary’s looking for a job. That’s a cool job. Maybe mary wants that. But how does a non-profit get into those e mails that i’m getting? How did they get their host? May actually go on to lincoln. You post those those job postings, those job openings there’s. Another way to do that and it’s more effective. Probably because it’s specific to the organization. And that is on your company. Profile page. You have a tab called jobs and you can actually list all the jobs that are open in your organization. So it pripps supposes that your company profile page tells the story of what your mission, what your organization does well, and it does a good job of telling what you do well and when you post a job, the immediate purse place that a job seeker looks is on your company profile rage, and then they determine if they want to get involved, okay, with your organization and there’s a third way, which most non-profits don’t even know about and many for-profit sound even know about creative group just for your non-profit so these people who are invested in or believe in what your organization does on a regular basis invite them to join your group there’s a tab on every group called jobs so you can hit people in many different ways. They may not happen to stop at your company profile page and see your job tab. They may be in your group, and they may then see that you’ve posted to the group. Hey, i have a new job that’s open in my non-profit now there is an implication to creating a linked in group you have to keep it current, not necessarily posting every day. I’m not saying that, but you have. To keep your group current with content so that members are engaged through the group well, here’s, a radical thought on your personal profile page you have to keep your personal profile page current get very used to making an adding comments to your company personal profile page, you’ll get very eased me easier for you to make comments and updates to your company profile page someone in your organization or two or three people new organisation should be responsible for updating the company profile page on a regular basis, and the net will not be all the same voice in the same intonation in every posting, it will be varied and then if somebody’s on vacation, it doesn’t fall apart of somebody leaves it doesn’t fall apart, but the idea is lincoln is a participant sport in every single way. If you’re going to join linkedin and just watch it all go by here in the wrong place. So on your personal page on your company profile page and especially your group page that allows you three different places to keep your constituents that people who believe or watching what you’re doing right in touch with what you’re doing. As you do it on lee, you can post a lincoln and only post the way. And what you want to say that provides really very current up to date voice it’s, a micro website. And then the group is a method of engagement where other people can composed by group members composed. They can post it all along. By the way, i want people to know we have ah, sort of a bingo wheel in the background. You can spin a wheel at a neighbouring booth and win prizes that that was the cooking that you’re hurt. I thought that was you thinking now that that’s a that’s, a much more rudimentary process than then this very sophisticated spinning wheel that we have next to us. Okay, all over a good advice on dh and all goes back to being searchable. If candidates going to find the jobs that you have posted on your jobs tab, you’re organization needs to have been found by the candidates searching for jobs of that type that you have available exactly is that use their search terms. You have to use the right search terms. You have to know what the search terms. Our gift to play with them to see and you can actually go and do searches on your own to see how high up in the search results your organization or your name comes up. Yeah, depending on what you’re searching for. Okay, but flip it if you’re looking for a job and i know that’s a little off base here, but i just want to be sure that we’re talking it’s a two way street right here. If you are looking for a job you need toe have in your personal profile the right search terms so you can be found so non-profits that are searching for you can find you in a list of candidates, all right, and that’s really important and search is very, very powerful on lincoln, especially if they have linked in boardmember connect, then they non-profit has access to it tremendously detailed and very, very fine sifting of the data, and they will stay consent in males to candidates and say you may not be interested in this director development job that is open currently in my organization, but you may know somebody else, but here are the job requirements and here’s our company. Profile case, let us know and that’s a perfect lead into your next tip, which is searching for candidates the non-profit doing search four individuals that they might like to reach out to. How do we do that? Well, first of all, again, you have to have a great personal profile page you have to fill in every single aspect individual does individual that’s how you get found. Ok, but how does the organization use linked in to go out and find people lets you go to the advanced search or if you already have boardmember connect, you can use boardmember connect is a search it’s a little bit of a stretch it’s designed to find boardmember is but at the same time, you’re finding boardmember you might just find good job candidates. Is this is your this is your fourth tip. Now you’re you’re you’re you’re backpedaling on me. I’m not putting on the spot search for talented candidates, you number four go out there. Got something there? Yeah, okay, so what non-profit so do? Use advanced, advanced, so use boardmember connect member can hopefully you’re already yes engaged with boardmember cannot but if you’re not, you can use advanced search, an advanced search allows you a very good way of sifting through all two hundred twenty five million people down to a shortlist of i need a director of development who has at least fifteen years experience and has experience in fund-raising and has key words that are fund-raising and aids research and medical medical practice and things like that and lives within or works within ten miles of zip code one oo too, too. And you’re going to get a short list when you get the short list. It’s gonna be a longer list. You’re gonna get that long list. You can shorten that list by looking at their possible candidates, and lincoln sends you the results ordered by first level connections. Which of the people you actually know you might not have given thought about might be good candidates for that job. Second level connections are the people that you already are connected to, who actually know those people so you can work through and say, hey, tony, i see you’re connected to mary mary’s. Come up in my search. Is she possibly looking? What do you know about mary? Let me know if you think. That’s a good avenue for me to go down, actually, and then your third level connections are just people you’re not connected to, but it does give you the chain of the links that you can follow to get to know that third level person. And then finally, the last level that it shows you is the group’s. So if you’re involved in groups and non-profit in aids research or whatever your non-profits involved in, then you’re going to be able to look at their profiles through the group, then you take that list, and then you shorten it up, you shorted up to the best of the best candidate, and then you go and approach them if you have boardmember connect your poaching through annan, male and in male is a link to an email to somebody you do not know. Does that include others? That includes the third level? Yes, if you’re in boardmember connected to use the in male to contact people that you’re not currently connected to yes and that’s a very effective way, because otherwise you would just send either a blind email, which would go into email hill or you would have to pick up the phone call and it goes to the first hound dog on the phone it was going to filter through those those calls. So this a lot when you get on in male unlinked in somebody’s trying to get hold of you that this is important stuff because they don’t happen often in males are really effective if you are if you have linked in boardmember connect, you get a lot of in meals that you can use, you can send a lot of in males there’s, right approach because there’s a limit monthly limit there’s a monthly limit, but most people don’t even see why it’s very astonishing, but if you don’t have linked in boardmember labbate just misses me. It’s it’s not an issue. You just don’t ask me about that, okay? I’ve never heard a non-profit that said, we’ve maxed out our in males, ok? And can have fun. All right, if you’re not in boardmember connect, you really just get one or two in males a month, you know? You know, you’re not getting a lot so that’s not going to be a good place for you today. So it’s a no brainer to use boardmember connect and then you get a response and then what you want to do have to get a response to your e mails? You want to take that person out the coffee you want to take that personal lunch, you want to understand verbally beyond what they’re saying on linked in which may or may not make it all good and get to know you? Yeah, put it, you know, make it very ad hoc, and then you get to know whether that person is a good kid, a good candidate often peoples done non-profit folks a personal profiles don’t really tell what they’re experienced level has been they’ve again, they made it that resume, and so it doesn’t give you enough of the background, the deep background that you need to know to see if that’s a good job candidate for what you’re doing, but you’d probably take it to a phone call first, explore a little more, and then if there’s mutual interest bring it, as you said face-to-face for sure, and they bring him in for an interview, and then you’ve already read their profile. They probably read your profile and you’ve cut through that ice. And you have a much warmer, richer interview because you’ve gone through all the formalities of where did you go to school? What did you do here? Tell me about this. You can ask better questions. You khun get mohr examples of how would you handle a situation like that? I see you handled a really difficult situation. The maid off money disappeared. What did you do? Had it? What was your damage control issue there? And people give re alive examples. You get a much better sense for a candidate thinking on their feet, which we all have to do in all job that we do. But what is it that this person uniquely brings? You have a better interview, per with that person here you can stack rank you’re candidates. After the interviews were already talking about your fifth tip i want make sure people don’t think we’re giving short change to it, which is keeping them establishing the connection and keeping it warm and making even warmer. And you’ve done all this without having paid a recruiter. You done your own sophisticated screening through the search and and your own outreach, and you’ve grown your network, you’ve you have now in your stable of network connections, people you can rely upon, so maybe that person is not a good candidate for the job, but maybe you know somebody else who could really use that person, and you’re at coffee at the next day and the job comes up in somebody says, this is good. This is this person’s really good candidate for your for your open position or there’s a new open position down the road or that the worst you’ve made a new professional connection, as we’re all here for you just don’t know when you can draw upon somebody’s expertise in an area you don’t have that expertise. So you’ve done nothing wrong, and you’ve gained everything buy-in just saying, i’m sorry, this is not a great position for you. We tried, we both tried, but here we go. So you add connections too. You’re linked in profile people that you know and like in the two vetted, you just don’t add connections willy nilly because you’ve exchanged business cards. That’s not a connection, okay, i mean, i get a fair a number of invitations to connect now that’s personally and i maybe i don’t get them as diligently as i should. Well, there’s a few schools of thought here i’m rather a narrow point of view, but i don’t connect to anybody that i am my mind say, but i invite that person into my house for coffee. He was once i connect to pieces people on linked in, they now have access to all of my connections, so if i’m lax about inviting somebody into my connections and since you and i are connected on linked in, they can now see your entire personal profile because you and i have agreed to connect a linked in. So if i’ve got a guy is just not a good player, he now has access to you if he approaches, you and it’s not a professional way are approaching you, and you work back to chain and see that he’s connected to may i ruined the connection between you and may, so you’re going to you’re going to connect yourself from me when you get back to your office already did before us now, you know, i’m an open door and i’ll just i’ll take anybody, so i’ve exposed you to the to the mass is that you i would rather the shielded from be careful who you connect to. Tony. Okay, i’ll b more and i’ll be more. I’ll be more strip listening. So you you look at their linked in profile, but that doesn’t tell you whether they’re going to be. I don’t scrupulous person and going contact one of your connections, contacts i get give them an opportunity. I meet them at a lunch at a breakfast. I talked to them on the phone. I know you don’t see that with every person that i have done that with every person you haven’t connected to really twenty, one hundred connections. I have met, spoken and vetted every single one in-kind i don’t really did i get that courtesy? Maybe you’re already knew each other. We knew each other. I mean, i didn’t get taken out to lunch. We had lunch. If you want to get a lunch, try to connect with mark halpert on linked in and he’ll take you to lunch and he’ll get you in the worst cases. You get a free lunch right after this. I’ll get your credit card number. How’s that all right? Okay. No, i’m not being a scrupulous as your recommend don’t be promiscuous linker, right? Maybe i am a little for mr, right? All right, let’s, leave. We have about a minute. Let’s. Leave non-profits with one tip for there that they’re there. Now i’m going to assume that they’ve got their corporate page. Leave us with something that makes their corporate page really valuable. Look at your competing non-profits the ones you’re competing for the donor dollars, see how they’re showing themselves off on linkedin. See how they’re staff is showing themselves. Their board is sewing themselves and their company profile page looks on lincoln take style notes from other non-profits you know our leaders and i’m not going to name them there’s some really wonderful ones out there you do. You could do the research you khun take style points do graphics video make your linked in page company profile page. Jump off off the screen and say, contact us. We are a great organization. We love what we do. We have a passion for what we do. You need to join us. That’s, what you need to do personally unlinked in because you have to be the brand and a company profile. Page, you have to be that brand as well. Thank you very much. Mork alpert, trainer and evangelist for lincoln. Thank you very much. Always a pleasure. Thank you. I appreciate that. Twenty martignetti non-profit radio coverage of fund-raising day twenty thirteen marriott marquis, thanks very much for joining me. There was a lot of fun. We got live listener love costa mesa, california. Provo, utah, golden, colorado. Alright, west coast checking in atlanta. Rest in virginia and wind gap p a. I wonder if it’s near the delaware water gap, but welcome live listener love tto all those live listeners. Oh, and west babylon, new york sorry, west babylon so close. Shin jin, guangzhou, shanghai and beijing ni hao. We’ll have more live listener love shortly. Right now we go away for a couple seconds when we come back. Tony’s take two and then maria simple with linkedin page analytics. Hey, keep listening, e-giving tooting getting dink dink dink. You’re listening to the talking alternative network, waiting to get you thinking. Thank you. Are you suffering from aches and pains? Has traditional medicine let you down? 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This is claire meyerhoff from the plan giving agency. If you have big dreams but a small budget, you have a home at tony martignetti non-profit radio. Thank you very much. Claire meyerhoff. We’re expecting claire in the studio sometime today, just for a short time. But she’s it’s uncertain wind. So, you know, creative producer, these creative types, you can really count on them to be precise. But she says she’ll be here. She’s in traffic. It’s not her fault. She’s in traffic. Yeah. Tony’s take to my block this week is create the impossible i was. I read something on the npr site about triangles that are simple to draw but cannot exist in our physical world. Yet our minds easily visualize them, and we see them as something that can exist very simply and quoting the writer’s. Robert krulwich who’s, the science writer for npr. This is what he said. Our brains, it turns out, are not prisoners of the world we live in. We can fly free. We can at any time we, like, create the impossible end quote. And i love that we can create the impossible. You need not be constrained by our physical world to imagine things that you want to. So, you know, what have you got on your mind that other people have said is impossible or that you’ve felt is impossible cut through that because the first step to creating it is imagining it, dreaming it, visualizing it and you’re not constrained by what the rest of the world says is impossible. I find that very uplifting, very encouraging. I love it. I’ve got one of my own and it’s on my block at tony martignetti dot com and the name of that post is create the impossible that is tony’s take two for friday sixteenth of august thirty third show of the year maria semple hello, maria. Hello, tony, how are you? I’m terrific welcome. Thank you. Maria semple is the prospect finder she’s a trainer and speaker on prospect research. Her website is the prospect finder dot com her book is panning for gold. Find your best donor prospects now she’s our doi n of dirt, cheap and free and you can follow maria on twitter at maria simple, and this month we’re talking about linked in page analytics, leading from your friend and colleague mark halpert. Paige analytics on lincoln is very new, it is very new. It just launched like weeks. Yeah, yeah, i think it was officially july thirty first or august. First, that this all launch so i thought it be something timely that we could talk about and certainly plays off of your interview that you had with mark helper. What a coincidence. How do you know has imagine how these things line up, just just by coincidence? So give us an overview before we get into details overviewing of what paige analytics is all about. So mark was talking about the difference between a personal profile and accompany page. So paige analytics focusses entirely on your non-profit company page that you have set up that really outlines all of the products and services your mission almost too many web site, if you will, within the link in space. Ok, right, so we’re not talking about your personal page, understand on dh, what can we do with again? Just overviewing this point, what can we do with these analytics? Well, the interesting thing is that you can figure out where you’re driving the most engagement and seeing the types of posts that are really resonating with the people who are following you as a company on lincoln, and you get a list of followers, so, you know, people are accustomed. To going on facebook, for example, and liking a company or a brand on facebook, they can do the same thing, actually unlinked it. And i know lots of corporate executives, for example, who are happy to follow brands on lincoln, and they’re not on facebook at all. So if you’re on ly strategy for connecting with these people is on facebook, then you’re missing a potentially huge part of the audience. Okay, you could get detailed info on your followers and of course, and they are court followers now, because these are not connections, because, again, it’s, not your personal page. So these are followers. What else can you do with this? So you can, uh, once you have this company page set up, you can actually try and get more followers, right? So that you can engage with more people so you can create. They have right within length in you can find out how to create that ah, a button for your website, for example, so that people can follow you there. But once you’ve got a large following on dh, you decide to start making updates on your company page, just like you make you know. Occasional or maybe frequent updates to your personal profile page in that you know what you’re doing now, type of section um, you can see those targeted updates, you can find out how far they’re reaching, and also, if you want to target those updates to specific followers, um, say you’re a national nonprofit organization, and you want to be able to start targeting your updates to specific states or specific regions because the update perhaps, doesn’t pertain to the entire national scope. You can actually target those updates, even by geography. Okay, andi, you can see how far they reach as you’ve said, we’ll talk about the engagement percentage and things like that, and then you can also benchmark against other non-profits yeah, which is really kind of interesting. You can see how your own organization is kind of stacking up against other, so lincoln will give you a sampling of where use your posts and engagement levels are in comparison to other organizations that are similar to yours. How do we set up the analytics so that we start getting them actually it’s already built in there, so if you have a company page set up, you’ll see. That one of the tabs that you can actually click onto once the pages set up and you you make some post some updates, you’ll see an analytics button, and what happens there is it’ll list all of the updates that you’ve been making. So even though this just launched, for example, august first or july thirty first, you can see going back a specific date range, they actually let you go back. Tio let’s, see today yesterday looks like a far as the previous month they’re tracking, so you can, you know, follow about two months worth of engagement. And is this, uh, is this a tab? You said button, but i just want to be explicit. Is it a tab on your on the company profile page? Yes, it’s a separate i guess tab is what you would want to call it is a post if you’re if you’re on your if you are the page administrator to actually be able to make the updates on behalf of your company or non-profit in this case, you would be able to see that you’ll have access to a home page products, services, page insights and analytics. It’s, one of the other cabs available. Okay. Excellent. And only for the for the administrator. Well, that makes sense. Okay, right. So they have this thing called on engagement percent percentage. Where this is how you measure the reach of of different updates. You can see what topics do well, what’s this engagement percentage. Yeah. It’s kind of interesting. So what they do is they kind of have this little formula. So the way they define it is it’s it’s, the number of interactions, clicks and followers that air requires, right, divided by the number of impressions follow-up divided by the number of impressions. So, you know, you can really start figuring out what types of posts are getting that that commenting that sharing on dh then you can give your followers more of that type of content. I love it. Yes. So it’s a ratio of how engaging, how engaged people were with your content with respect to how many people saw it because over the denominator is the number of impressions. So you get and exactly so it’s very similar to ah, in that respect. Anyway, to facebook analytics, yes. So they are definitely starting to give you a lot. Of that back end because people are sitting back and sort of asking, well, you know, if if i set up this entire company, paige and i go about making these up stated posts and so forth what’s going to be my return on investment here that are, oh, i that you hear tossed shout all the time right on. So people want to know if we’re going to put any effort or focus into this, how are we going to benefit? And i think that that linked in has really done a tremendous value for both for-profit and the non-profit world in coming up with the scent of benchmark data that will be able to look at overtime. So the further back you can look, though, is the previous month that’s. So that’s what it appears like to me as i’m looking at my own company page, for example, i’m seeing i can, you know, update different ranges in terms of dates, i can look att today on lee and then going back as far as previous month is the last thing that you can select. I would think that that will be built out as time passes, surely. They have all the historical data. It’s probably just a question of making it accessible. Yeah, you’re going toe. I’m going to say that you’re company profile page is probably a model. So where would where? Where on lincoln would people find that? Just searched the prospect finder? Yeah, any company page actually, that you’re looking for you go into that search box at the top. Start typing in the name of the company and it’s very intuitive. So it’ll start giving you a list of companies that have the characters that you’re typing in. So, yeah, you could find mine under the prospect finder, and i’d love it if she was your followers came over and followed my company page on lincoln that’s. Great. Okay, don’t look for tony martignetti non-profit radio. While we have a group, we don’t have the great we don’t have a company page for the show, but we do have a group. Um okay, let’s. See, um so aside from this, all right. So that’s that’s assessing what the good what the content is that your followers are interested in? You can also get information on who those followers are. That’s. Right? So when you see the when you have your list of followers, when you have, when you’re on the company pages, the administrator, they will be ah, number it will tell you, you have x number of followers, so you can actually click on that and find out who all of those followers are. Yes, and, you know, contrary to what you would find on facebook, for example, if you went to look at all the people that liked your page, people have all different levels of security settings, right, and their facebook pages, whereas on linked in for the most part, you’re going to be able to see their entire profile. Yes, you’ll know who’s following you as a non profit organization and that’s that could be tremendously helpful and valuable, right there in and of itself, in terms of, you know, trying teo, you know, figure out, as i mean for me is the prospect researcher i’d be interested to know who are the people following us in the linked in space? Are these people that we should be considering, you know, putting into our research pool and looking at a little bit more in depth? Andi, you can really start being a little too segment what’s kind of interesting to is that you can get an idea on those follower demographics from the analytics page alone, so you can find out what level somebody is like senior entry level vp level. And then i believe you can even find out some of those metrics not only by seniority, but you could find out your your followers could be broken down by industry by company size, by function by employees so you can see how as a researcher, right, and as a development function, this would be very interesting for you to know about. I have one more that you can get aggregate data on that’s, a region region of the country or, well, which of the world. All right, we’re going to go away for a couple seconds and when we return, of course, maria simple, the prospect finder, will keep sharing wisdom on the new linking page analytics, and i’ve got a little more live listener love to. So hey, hang in there. You’re listening to the talking alternative network. Are you stuck in your business or career trying to take your business to the next level, and it keeps hitting a wall? This is sam liebowitz, the conscious consultant. 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Hey there, welcome back with more live listener love, new york, new york, newport, north carolina and north king’s down rhode island. Welcome live listener love to you, rhode island. I love block island. I’ve been there probably six or seven times in late august this year. We’re going somewhere else, but i’ve been to block island many times. Love it. So north kingstown, we haven’t had you before. Welcome. Oh, gotta go abroad. Soul and inchon, korea. Anya haserot loved the live listeners. Claire mara have just walked in studio, so we’ll get her settled. Of course, she buzzed when i asked her not to, but she buzzed on the commercial. So we were ways. No problem. Perfect. You are. I thought you were. You’re fooling me a week. Buy-in dafs maria semple, of course we’re still talking about linkedin page analytics so we know that we can get the engagement. We could find out. What’s what’s, popular weaken look, a detailed info on who our followers are and let’s talk now about benchmarking against other non-profits how does that work? So what they do is they’ll list your engagement levels for example, on dh then list for you. How you compare so your number of followers compared to other companies, so i’m just looking at my own analytics. It’s it’s kind of interesting. I have no idea why coca cola would be on the list of materials. You maybe they just pick one really big one know your company is bigger than you realize. Coca cola is your competitive with the coca cola. They’re talking, they talk about, they talk about the prospect finer dot com and coca cola board meetings all the time. Clearly. All right. I mean, islington says it it’s got to be true. But you know what i thought was kind of interesting to that they have is have you seen that? They also offers something now called sponsored updates? I have not seen that. So when you go to make an update to your page you will you they’ll ask you if you want to make a sponsored update. Now i know i am the brian of what? What do you call me towards? Trompeter duitz cubine free and free. Yes, well, this is actually sea bass, and i’ve not experimented with it myself. But it’s, you can do it like on a paper, quick advertising type of thing and these this’s away for lincoln to make money, obviously, but it’s getting your post now in front of targeted audience of people who are not currently your followers so, you know, you could be part of a new organizations budget if they wanted to try and get very specific updates, i could see it working for advocacy, you know, organizations, perhaps or if you’re trying to drive lots of people to a specific event, you might make a sponsored up identical. Now they’re getting in front of people identical to what i’m seeing in facebook. Yes, i’m seeing these ads appearing in my timeline. I know i’m not a fan of any of these, i think, and, you know, because in fact, i know i’m not because in the upper right there’s, always a like button, so i must not have liked it yet, and they’re annoying actually know the in the middle of all my friends posts there’s, this unwanted, sponsored add toe like a page on it’s, not even something that i’m interested in. I’m sure they have algorithms for figuring it out, but at least in my case, they haven’t. Perfected it, but but any case i don’t, even if they were interests, don’t really want to see them on the timeline. I don’t mind them on over on the right side of the page, but they have to be right among my my posts that i’m enjoying from clara miree dafs carle place high school reunion. No, they don’t belong there, right? They don’t belong, no that’s, right? They don’t belong in there about backstabbing and bitchiness. Oh, geez, i don’t want to hear about these reunions stories now, not on the air you’re ruining. No, no there’s, a whole story about carlos, really? Just imagine a high school reunion, and some people love the facebook page that claire created and other people a little more, a little more traditional, feared it. We’re off topic, so when it’s about social meat is interested, it is. It is a pretty riveting story, actually, okay. You were you’re talking about the sponsored posts, but the companies that are there, sorry, the non-profits that you’re going to see on your benchmark page. Are you saying you can’t select which which pages you’d liketo be compared to? Maria? I don’t think you can. I’m not saying that ability here, so they, you know, they come up with, you know, how you compare now? Maybe they’re going teo again, that’s something that they’re going to refine and perfect over time as this new analytics tool, you know, evolved. I certainly hope so, because i prefer to see me benchmarked about, you know, they have several other companies in there. But, you know, certainly i shouldn’t be benchmarked against coca cola. That’s unfair to coca cola. It’s unfair to them. Let me just ask, are the other the other choices that they have? Are they my voices crack like a thirteen year old? Are the other choices reasonable? Are they are they in your ballpark? Yeah, some of them are mean. Yeah. Okay. Clarity. Maria, i have a question for you, and i’m just wondering if in your travels and all your expertise, do you see anyone an organization? That is using linked in in any way effectively to market bequests to organization, putting the organizations in their will, that type of thing planned giving, um, plan e-giving specifically know, because i’d have to look through a lot of different posts that organizations have, uh, put out there is there updates, but i did kind of put on tony’s facebook page that the environmental defense fund, i think, was doing a pretty good job actually helping can post came out with a sort of a top ten list, i think it was near the end of the year or something. Um, and i was looking through some of those, and i thought that the environmental defense fund was doing a good job in terms of their updates and so forth. Now what happens is, you know, this is sort of the, like you hear about anything else at eighty twenty rule, you want to make sure that you’re not doing always just promotional stuff, that you’re giving people really great content eighty percent of the time, and then they’ll tolerate about twenty percent of promotion, so it could be that those those types of postings are interested first, i just didn’t look back, say even on their page history to see what you know what else they’re posting about. Okay, we have to pretty much stopped there. Maria, thank you very much for sharing very timely information about the new linkedin page analytics. Maria semple, the prospect. Find her. You’ll find her at the prospect finder dot com and on twitter she is at maria simple bye, maria. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, we have just like thirty seconds or so. I hate teasing people. We talked about the car place high school reunion if they want to go to the facebook page and see some of this drama played out a little bit where they should send me a friend request, send claire meyerhoff a friend request on dh, then become my friend and then i’ll let you into our our fabulous reunion page, which is great because now it’s chuck full of photos. It’s really the only place you can see any of the photographs so the people that weren’t on facebook i don’t know how they’re going to see any photographs they need to get on facing program. I’m glad you were able to come. Thanks. Thanks so much for having no it’s always a pleasure couldn’t i got last minute live listener love osaka and met taka japan, of course. Konnichi wa and cambodia. I can’t see your city sorry, but welcome live listener love japan and cambodia next week. Fantastic. Thank you. Um next week we have cool crowdfunding. Dana ostomel, founder and ceo of deposit a gift shares our wisdom on how to create a successful crowdsourced campaign and grow your in-kind e-giving anita fi willis, vice president of strategic partnerships at new york, needs you. And why n y very clever at fund-raising day in june, we talked about how to create or grow your in-kind giving program. Have you looked at our youtube channel there’s over ninety interviews, including nine new ones from fund-raising day in june and there’s a couple of cups of my stand up comedy the channel is riel aria l tony martignetti our creative producer is sitting right here with me. Claire, my say that you say your name clear meyerhoff on the creative producer of the tony martignetti non-profit radio show sam liebowitz is our line producer shows social media is by deborah askanase of community organizer. Two point oh, go geever and the remote producer of tony martignetti non-profit radio is john federico of the new rules. 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122: Candidates For Causes & Computers Crash – Tony Martignetti Nonprofit Radio

Tony’s guests this week:

Robert Egger, president of cForward

Scott Koegler, editor of Nonprofit Technology News

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Hello and welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent. I’m your aptly named host on december twenty first. Oh, i very much hope that you were with me last week. It would cause me pain if i learned that you missed get engaged. Three amy sample ward is our social media scientist. She continued her siri’s on online engagement with gold setting. How do you know if your engagement strategies are successful? We’ll talk about identifying goal areas directly related to your mission and assigning metrics. That is what we talked about. I need an intern here, so edit this copy. Amy is a membership director for the non-profit technology network and ten, and she contributes to stanford social innovation review. Also, we had dutiful documentation. Jean takagi and emily chan are legal contributors, explained the rules from my rs on what should be in all those acknowledgement letters that you send for two thousand twelve gif ts this week, candidates for causes robert eggers, president of sea forward working to rally candidates around non-profit platforms he and i will discuss how to assess those candidates in your local races and getting the non-profit agenda before them and how to support the candidates who step up also computers crash scott koegler, the editor of non-profit technology news and our monthly tech contributor, reminds us that technology can let us down. Your computer hardware will only last so long, so you should have a plan for replacing it. To avoid a crisis, i’ll talk to this former chief ah what’s the eye for, um information officer seo about the hardware lifecycle budgeting, training and planning damegreene eden intern also between the guests on tony’s take to my block this week is i am grateful and i’ll tell you what i’m grateful for. If you’re on twitter, you khun, join us, the hashtag there is non-profit radio use that hashtag wildly and it’s my pleasure now to welcome robert egger. He is the founder and president of sea forward on advocacy organization that rallies employees of non-profits to educate candidates about the economic role that non-profits play in every community and to support candidates who have detailed plans to strengthen the economy that includes non-profits and you’ll find they’re site at sea. The letter c forward dot org’s robert is also president of d c central kitchen, where food donated by hospitality businesses and farms, is used to fuel a culinary arts job training program. The kitchen is a ten million dollars a year self sustaining social enterprise. Since nineteen eighty nine, it has produced over twenty six million meals and helped a thousand men and women gain full time employment. In twenty thirteen, robert will open l a kitchen on the same model it’s. My pleasure to welcome robert egger. Robert. Welcome. Thanks, tony. Happy holidays. Thank you. Happy holidays to you, it’s. A pleasure to have you on pleasure to be here. What is the non-profit role in the economy? Why should why should candidates be paying attention? Well, it’s a bold statement that i believe that there is no profit without non-profits theirs. If you think about what community can attract a business or new new visits or young couples stay and maybe have a have a family, if they don’t have arts and culture, they don’t have communities of faith, education, healthcare, clean environment. You know, those are the things that the non profit sector produces. So you know what we’re saying is, look, there’s, a new civic mathematics that must come and play if the economic recovery is truly going to work. And that’s saying, in effect, that both non-profits and four profits are equally essential toe every city’s, every communities, every state’s, every country’s vibrancy. So what we need to do is elect people who understand that so we can move beyond the kind of old notion that dot com businesses drive the economy will dot or charities just do a good deed, very good, no profit without non-profit now the non-profit sector is about ten percent of our gross domestic product is that do you agree with that? Yeah, it is an effect, but, you know, if you really drill down a bit, which you’re looking at is in most cities non-profits are one of the top three employers, and so for example, in cities like new york, they’re the number one employer in the city now beyond that and again, i really want to emphasize a lot of people will say, well, that’s, not good, because the non-profits don’t create value, they don’t create revenue there and see what we’ve done is we kind of confused the word non-profit with not creating anything of value, but let’s, let’s, cool down just on the taxes i’ve seen this a lot recently where people say, non-profits don’t pay tax xero and i tell you what, brother, try and run and city without the payroll taxes non-profits pay every year and more importantly, trying to run a city where the city’s tax dollars have to go to make up for what non-profits do often times with money that’s brought in from outside the city. You know, we’re one of the major sources of outside investment in every single community. So a smart mayor we’ll understand there’s a tremendous potential to, for example, double the amount of money coming into the city or the state via the non-profit sector. By helping us, you know, say, in effect, what do you need? Can i help you develop partnerships? Can i help you? Uh get grants? What can i do to help you? Being the kind of resource is into this city or state that will help it grow and employ more people. How big is the non-profit sector where you are in washington d c we’re twenty six percent of the employment base in washington d c so when we look at the mayor’s race, for example, in two thousand fourteen were heavily democratic city. So the spring democratic primaries pretty much how we choose the mayor. So the goal is to say to the non profit sector, look, you know, it’s important, and i mean, many of you have historically kind of rallied around your individual cause, you know, housing the arts, aids, whatever and that’s important. But there are strategic moments when you need to let go of your immediate issue and stand together for the all boats must rise questions that i think are essential to be asking candidate. But again, what we’re trying to say to any candidate and and all the competitors, particularly when you look at a place like new york city next year where there’s a mayor’s race and his mayor bloomberg steps down there’s gonna be a lot of competition. We want to say to all the candidates, you know, whether you understand it or not, this is probably one of the biggest special interest groups in america that has yet to be courted and that there is a there is a potential political strategy here and an opportunity for candidate to who again can understand this new civic mathematics and again reach out to the sector and say, look, i’m moving beyond the kind of, you know, flowery rhetoric of i heart. Non-profits yeah, and i’ve got a detailed plan for if you will like me how i will partner with you from day one, you want to do social enterprise, you wanted micro credit to create jobs, man, i am your best friend, you know, you want to use volunteers, particularly our elders, who is very essential that they stay now have been engaged, you want to use those elders and meaningful voluntary activity, bring it on, you know, i’m one of those people who’s who i respect and understand the process, but i’m there’s the fierce urgency of now and frankly, after twenty five years in this business, i’m kind of bored of educating candidate yeah, i sense of a sense of frustration. Well, yeah, i mean, i feed poor people. I work in the basement of the biggest shelter in american i know what charity can do, but i know what we can do and the notion that somehow we’re supposed to keep moving on where we’re has to. Do mohr form or with less and be quiet about it now again, please understand, when i talk about frustration and not being quiet, i’m not talking about being belligerent are throwing bombs or being confrontational. I’m proposing, you know, an economic logic that says, in effect, just stop and listen, you know non-profits aren’t they actually create tremendous value? They are essential to any economic recovery, right? I want to talk about the recovery. Yes, right. And you’d be smart to really embrace us as partners. Okay? I love that. I like that a lot. No, no profit without non-profit and particularly in light of states trying to recover from several years of bad budgets. Do you have a sense of the role of non-profits in california? Bunny chance. I’m sort of putting on the spot. Do you know tremendously? I mean, look at san francisco and l a will both have mayor’s races next year, right? And no matter where you go, but do you have a sense of the role of the non-profits play in the state generally or in any cities in california? Oh, i mean again, you can’t go to any city in which there. Is not the non-profit sector isn’t one of the predominant employers. Okay, so that’s true in the central valley? Look, att cities like fresno, stockton, baker’s field, all of them killing bankruptcy. Yeah, this is the perfect opportunity when you, when you start to think about who’s going to come in and be the mayor and pull a city out of bankruptcy, this is an ideal time for candidates to kind of almost break free of the old kind of cemented notion of how you build the economy, which is let’s, attract a big factory or a stadium or, you know, municipal bonds. What we’re suggesting is that non-profits particularly those like the d c central kitchen. You know, we have multiple businesses that employ graduates of our program that might be going back to prison. We pay a living wage we and reinvest all our profit back in the community. Frankly, we’re the best friend any mayor has. You know, business is like the kitchen, and they should be aggressively trying to court and help mohr kind of transition from the traditional kind of service model into the empowerment model on. So i think that my my thing is you’ve got to elect people who understand that and again on day one, say, let’s work hand in hand. Business government non-profits altogether to rebuild the city in the state, even before day one. We want to get candidates adding the non-profit agenda to their platforms. And right now we’re going to take a break, robert. But we’re gonna have a chance, plenty time to talk about how to get their attention. What to do once you’ve gotten their attention and then using platform like, see forward how to endorse them. So i hope everybody’s going to stay with us and robert eckert certainly will, too. Talking alternative radio twenty four hours a day. 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It’s ah it’s tuesday before the friday that you’re going to be listening on the twenty first, so grateful for all the live listeners, but i can’t send you love city by city the way i like to do robert eggers, egger is with me and we’re talking about candidates for causes. Robert, how can we start to get the politicians attention? We’re talking about candidates now candidates, how can we get a candidate’s attention? Well, you know what what’s great is one of the vehicles we have, and this is the strategy were employing is saying, look, it’s it’s very it’s, almost impossible for organizations to be political themselves again. That’s part of our five a one c three charter ratification can’t before against any candidate but the private citizens who work at those non-profits can and that’s our strategy and see forward saying there’s ten point four million non-profit employees now what’s exciting is you look at that thing’s like twitter and facebook there isn’t a candidate out there who doesn’t have a facebook page or twitter account, and there isn’t a candidate out there who doesn’t have a staff person monitoring those accounts every single day. So in effect, what you have is the press conference that never ends. You know what used to be that moment where they could say no more questions, no more questions, and they were gone? Or if you might have had that opportunity at a press conference or a session to say mr cain and mrs kennedy, what do you think of the non profit sector? How would you partner? They could say, oh, i love the non-profit sector, the backbone of the community, thank you very much and split. Now we have the potential tohave literally if you think about it in cities like new york, l a, minneapolis, seattle ten thousand people every single day, relentlessly asking through facebook and twitter, what is your plan? We are one tenth of the economy, you know, one tenth of the workforce we channel the energy of millions of volunteers were major sources about sent investment what’s your plan and i think that that’s, the potential we have that we’ve never had before and that’s the seat forward strategy what we do, we’re almost like kiva in that we identify candidates all throughout the country. Last year we identified fifty three on sixty different candidates from, you know, races from mayor’s races down to city council. We’re going, we’re gonna have time to talk that way identified people who come from the nonprofit sector, okay, people, just like you and me, people who sweat out payroll there dedicated to make their community betters and now they’re standing up and running for office. And if they’re elected, they’re the kind of people who might stand up a city council member member meeting state legislature and eventually even you know, the house in the senate and really say, wait, wait, wait. I know this piece of legislation you think is important and will work. I work in the nonprofit sector. I come from the sector. I let me explain to you how it really works. Okay? This is essential. Not just for us is a sector, but for our country. Brother, you know what we’re saying is, look, will identify all these people and then you can come to our website and then you is private. Citizens khun go through our site to their website and give them directly. Okay, robert were saying little your you live in miami, you have you have a vested interest in helping somebody get elected in minneapolis, right? Robert? We’re gonna have a chance to talk about see forward and the success you’ve seen so far. Um, the only caveat that i want to add it just sorta amplify what you suggested that on. We’ve had a show about this with jean takagi and emily chan are legal contributors. When people are doing this sort of lobbying for the for the sector, they have to be careful what account they’re using. They shouldn’t be using their their company account, maybe they shouldn’t even be doing it on, you know, on the charities time. So just a just a caveat that politicking is important, but you have to be cautious about when you’re when you’re doing it on whose account you’re using and on what time that’s all and really, i’m really glad you brought that up, tony, because, you know, this is something you have to be wildly aware, like, for example, i’m at home, i’m using my private line. Right now, i can’t you know, i don’t do company time when i do stuff it’s, my private email or private twitter accounts that i do this work on or my c forward account. But that is it very important. Caveat you bring up well, yeah, you’re right, private citizens. But it has to be on your old time with your own account. Okay, alright, enough said. And we have and listeners could go back teo, show about politicking with gene and emily and listen to that for a lot more detail on what’s permitted and what’s not, um all right, so you want a you want a grassroots campaign to get the candidate’s attention? What kinds of? Well, i guess you’ve already you sort of laid out all the talking points. You just you wantto be able to specify what the impact of and the value for of charities is in your your local community in your state, you want to be ableto throw some stats in them at them and get their attention that way. But, you know, we also have an ask, you know, we’re making a point again. No profits without non-profits, but even if we elect a very smart candidate, you know, he or she on day one is going to be pulled fifty different directions. So what we’re proposing is, if you really understand its and particularly the role we play in attracting outside investment through grants or contracts, then why don’t you appoint a dedicated point person? For example, connecticut’s governor, governor malloy has a dedicated non-profit liaise on, and mayors in denver and los angeles have a dedicated staff person. And, for example, in denver, a very small office there, the office of strategic partnership has brought in almost fifty a million dollars in four years into the city from outside the city. New money? Uh, so again, that idea of a dedicated point person we think, is very strategic. And, you know, what we’re looking for is the kind of unifying principle for the sector that, again, we’re a very diverse group of people. We have a million different missions and sometimes their counter, but again, my bag is, you know, what we need to do is at the strategic moment and if i can a little, you know, illustrate a second, i always say, for example, tony, you and i have to have dry cleaners were right across the street, and we hate each other, you know we’d love to see each other’s business fail, but if somebody comes into town and wants to regulate its small business in a way that might impact our businesses, we might not drive down together, but we’d end up in the chamber or the board of trade, and we’d be we put aside our differences for a moment because we have a shared interest and that’s the thing that non-profit sector is never embraced, that idea of strategic moment in which we have shared interests well, there are in that election time. Yeah, that while there are coalitions like independent sector that try to bring the try to bring the sector together, especially now, i see that, you know, they’re very active around the deficit reduction and fiscal cliff discussions. So but those air, those air national coalitions and, you know, i think the broader you get, the more i guess, the more general and vague your talking points are in your and your calls for action are i would like to see it on the local level. Mohr yeah, i agree, and that’s why we’re focusing on the local level, you know, eventually we think that, you know, eventually we want to see presidential candidates openly discussed this i’ll be honest with you. I was really shocked that neither governor romney nor president obama and, by the way, the first president who got his first job in a non-profit neither mentioned philanthropy, neither mentioned the non-profits and again, the third biggest employer in america and each talked vigorously about manufacturing, for example, yet we are only percentage points away from employing the same number of people in america is manufacturing. Okay, so let me let’s talk more about some of the the actor calls to action, so so we’d be asking for a dedicated point person for the charity for the community forward is after now, okay, one example and i’m not trying to say by our product as much as we are one breakthrough, i believe idea, but we are hopefully the beginning of many different strategies to get candidates on par with us. Ok, but what other calls to action now? We would be be asking candidates teo to embrace well, i’m a big believer in social enterprise and micro. Credit and you know the idea, for example, it’s one thing to have a really great domestic violence shelter in your town fully funded, well, run, but ultimately those women gotta leave and ultimately, you know, but tragically, many women who come in or have no credit history and oftentimes very difficult time getting a job. So imagine, you know, a flip from the service model and saying, in effect, okay, how can we scream, help them create their own businesses and again think about we’ve raised an entire generation doing service, so i’d like to see a mayor who looks at all the universities in the town and sees, you know, school system bursting with a generation raised doing service who are now in the business school, who might come down and help a domestic violence shelter, develop business plans and demerol might say, i love this idea. So if you develop a a, um micro credit program, the city will match it dollar for dollar and i’m going to let three other partners with us so that every buck of private citizens put in will match in three, two, one let’s get people working again, i think that’s. What’s missing is seeing the non-profit sector is a potential job creator. Okay, do you have another example of ah call to action that we be insisting our candidates do before we’re going to endorse them because they’re they’re pro charity community? Yeah, i’m a big believer a we need great new metrics. I mean, for heaven’s sakes, you know, most cities have know idea you can’t ask a mayor how many non-profits today do you have in your community how much payroll taxes do they pay? How much money do they bring is so in depth analysis is essential, but another thing i’m really interested in is the contract process. I mean, we need mayors and city council members that they in fact, we want to get more of these non-profits of potential do contracts with the city because, again, they they’re motivated to pay a good wage, and they re invest their money back in the community versus making individual profit. But to do that, we have to lower the bar a little bit to help more people in, and we also very much need to expedite the reimbursement process between city and their contractors. So that non-profit organizations don’t go broke waiting to get get paid for services rendered, okay? So there’s a place where the corporate interests and the charity interests are overlapped you bet every everybody has list in that i was i was really impressed. Governor schwarzenegger appointed one of the first governors to appoint a volunteer coordinator on his cabinet, saying, in effect, look, we’ve got, you know, millions of older people but millions of younger people for whom service it’s part of their lifestyle now, and we’ve got a state that very well might have, you know, a natural disaster somewhere in the future. I don’t wanna wait until after the fact to try and get things coordinated let’s have a plan now, and i think that was a very, very intelligent way to look at the human capital that the charity, the charitable sector sector kind of channels volunteerism as a dynamic part of the city’s future of the state future. Now that we’ve identified candidates who have a pro non-profit agenda on there as part of their platform, how can we start to show our support? Well, i think is to get a private citizens you can, you can contribute. You know, i’m a big believer that even though we heard a lot about, you know, the billions a million spent in these campaigns that, you know, down the road, you know, those those the campaign will be more more driven by new media, which is free and pervasive. So i think that, you know, spreading the word about candidates contributing but also getting out there working for him, but what i’m interested again, it is not only backing people who come from the nonprofit sector but actually helping people who are in the sector now realize, you know, maybe you should run, you know, maybe the city, the state needs you, you’ve been a tremendous, tremendous supporter of this community step up and take another another step up on the chain, but again, what i’m trying to say to the non-profit sectors we gotta win, we have to support those men and women, our peers who step out and say, i’m willing to step up and take, you know, take a, you know, a bigger bucket of water on my shoulder for the larger you no benefit of the sector in our community, we need to get behind them. Okay, really, you know, support them in every way we can understood. And there there’s the role of sea forward. So let’s, take a couple minutes, talk about, see forward you you identified, i counted sixty one, endorsed sixty one candidates who had a non-profit friendly platform. Eight of them see forward specifically endorsed. And there were thirty five winners out of those sixty one. Yeah. And in fact, what makes it interesting is we have people throughout the sector nominate people. Look, you know, we’re trying our best here, but, you know, there’s not a whole lot of money in this. I’ll tell you, tony, i mean, it’s not like that, you know, the czechs air flowing in. We’re not competing with any super pac. You’re nowhere. We want teo what we’re saying to the non-profit sectors throughout the country, if you know somebody who’s running, nominate him, put him up on our page, and what we’ll do is we’ll look for those candidates that we think really have a tremendous opportunity, but well, even if we don’t endorse them, we’re at least giving them exposure beyond the small town where they might be running for city council mayor. And we’re saying all the ten point, million, ten point, four million non-profit employees check out this site and do a little shopping, you know, look around and see if you see a candidate, did you think? Wow, you know, that person is again four states away and a little tiny town, but wow, that’s a tremendous opportunity. What a vision i’m going to give him twenty bucks. What the hat? You know, when you’re running for a city council race in a small town, you know, fifty bucks a hundred bucks that that could go a long way, so never underestimate what ten million one dollar bills khun due in the political process in america, to get people who think again understand the role we play, it will be champions, not just for us again don’t don’t don’t mistake what we’re doing is somehow, you know, just trying to preserve the cut of the pie for the nonprofit sector. What we want is intelligent people elected who understand the new civic mathematics of how community thrive and grow. Robert, you had mostly of most of candidates were local from the twenty twelve election cycle, but you did have three. At the national level and and also the governor of washington state among those thirty five winners. Yeah, again, we’re really looking actually the person who was hunting who was nominated, i don’t think our candidate for washington state won the governor’s race, but a way had a pretty good track record of candidates who eventually want some with our support and don’t get me wrong that we just endorse. We just said, xero candidates that we think a really strategic and smart, so it was like it, sam saying, for example, who was the first indian american elected to the state legislature in michigan? You know, he ran the state association, he was the mayor of east lansing prior, and he would also he has also done amazing work promoting social enterprise in the city of detroit. So these are the kind of people we think when that, you know, sam will be out the statehouse really advocating for, you know, again, the economic role that we play in helping a state like michigan, which is behind the eight ball. You know what? A lot of states are really struggling with big deficits, so what we don’t want is people who think, you know, wow, these non-profits air getting off, you know, with a field day they’re you know, they don’t pay taxes and there just, you know, sucking money out of the economy to do good deeds. We want people to understand no, no, no, no, make no mistake, there is no profit without non-profit robert, i’m gonna switch the focus to you personally. What is it that you love about this kind of advocacy and endorsement work? Well, you know, i’m a big believer in no waste, you know, i started the kitchen because i hated seen food being thrown away, and i volunteered one night to serve the poor and saw men and women standing outside in the rain, and i had worked in a business that needed employees, so my bag has always been i hate seeing things that are still have value but aren’t being used to their potential, and i believe the non-profit sector and our vote, our classic examples of a tremendous american asset that are not being utilized, you know, i just came along to the food we throw away and the people we value have tremendous potential, and i think we proved that here at the d c central kitchen, so i’m just following the logic model of don’t throw anything away, don’t waste anything, don’t undervalue anything just because of the traditional way we used it in the past, no profit without non-profit. Robert egger is founder and president of sea forward. You’ll find that at sea, the letter c forward, dot or ge robert, thank you so much for being a passionate, enthusiastic guests, thanks so much pleasure, tony. Man, i wish you well, my brother. Thank you, robert. Now we’ll take a break, and when we retired, it’s tony’s, take two, and i’m going to explain what i’m grateful for. Stay with me. You didn’t think that shooting getting ding, ding, ding, ding, you’re listening to the talking alternate network, get in. Nothing. Cubine hi, i’m donna and i’m done were certified mediators, and i am a family and couples licensed therapists and author of please don’t buy me ice cream are show new beginnings is about helping you and your family recover financially and emotionally and start the beginning of your life. 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I’m jonah helper, nari team in co founders of next-gen charity hi there, time for tony’s take to my block post this week is very simple. I am grateful there are a lot of people that i’m grateful to, and i list them in that post on the block, but among them is you because you are listening to the show. I hope you’re listening often. Some listeners are very new, just within the past few weeks or months, and there are about a hundred or so that have been around for the two years that i’ve been doing this more than two years, and i’m grateful to each of you. I’m grateful to you for listening to the show. For those of you who get my show alerts by email every every week each thursday, i’m grateful to you. Thank you for letting me into your inbox once a week. I’m grateful for your support for your support of the show for your listening to the show, however it is that you propagate the show if you tell other people about it, if your forwarding those weekly email lorts that you get, however you’re supporting the show, i’m grateful and i want to thank you very much and you’ll find. A little longer list of people who i have gratitude for on my block at tony martignetti dot com that is tony’s take two for friday, december twenty first, the fifty second show of the year and the last of the year. My pleasure to bring on scott koegler scott is the editor of non-profit technology news. You can follow him on twitter he’s at scott koegler. Scotty koegler welcome back. Hey, tony, good to talk with my pleasure. We’re talking about computers crash. So you mean hardware is not gonna last forever? Yeah. You know, i have to say that when i was a cia, we’ve spent a lot of time and lots and lots of money on replacements and lifecycle transitions and all that kind of thing that, um, just, you know, you have to do with computer systems. I kind of changed my opinion over time, but it really depends on the on the situation that you’re in. So, um, i guess that’s what we can kind of talk about. Yeah. Okay. Um, well, how has your how is your opinion? Evolved? The used to be that the computers that you used, uh, ran an operating system. And that really hasn’t changed a bit. Still operating systems all the windows variations, there’s, mac stuff and there’s all kinds of one expiry ations. And it used to be that the applications that ran on those operating systems and turn ran on those computers dependent very heavily on the technology itself. In other words, the processor you know how strong how fast, how many bits is the processor, thie amount of memory, the size and speed of the hard drive. All those things were really critical because as a cz we migrated from the nineties into the two thousands of now intothe ten pluses, uh, at application software has always become the larger files more complex required more more horsepower essentially to run them and some of that’s still true. If you’re heavily involved in graphics, video production or audio production, you still have to have all that. But what’s really changed the game is cloud computing. So why has that changed? You might ask. Oh, okay, well, you and i have talked about it, but go ahead. Why has changed? The reason is that you’re really not depending so much on the hardware or the operating system for that matter, you are dependent on the connection. Um, so, um, so if you have a good connection, if you have your applications and your data in the cloud, then really, you can you can use almost anything that will support a browser. So so that that’s that’s where my opinion has changed, however, there are still reasons to change your hardware. And so now that i’ve kind of cleared the air on that talk about okay, well, we still need to change it. Listeners well, and i i appreciate your honesty. Your opinion has evolved. That’s. Very interesting. So there are. So so you think it’s okay now to push the hardware beyond what used to be, i guess, a strict like three or four year replacement timetable again. It depends on your situation. If you are running your your applications in house, if you have a ah constituent management system that that keeps track of your all of your donors and your constituents, your activities and that’s running on a network inside your facility. Okay, then you absolutely do need to pay attention to the age of your equipment. Because again, the applications get more complex that require more horsepower. And not only that systems break hard drives breakdown and computers breakdown. So, you know, there is a kind of to get ahead of the curve of the breakdowns you want to pay a lot of attention to. How old is each piece of equipment? What is? What kind of applications is it running and, you know, what’s the best deal this week of this month that i could get on a replacement unit. Okay, but if you’re if you’re more more of your work is in the cloud, then it may be okay. Toe hold on to hardware longer because, as you said, all you really need is a hardware that will support ah, browser. Exactly. Right. Exactly. Right. Okay. There are a couple things that kind of still go against that. And that is the operating systems themselves. Uh, there’s there’s a surprising number of companies and organizations. They’re still running windows? Yes. On one that’s. A little dangerous, right? That think microsoft dropping dropping support for that. Yeah, even even is uninformed is i’m about technology. I remember seeing videos six or eight months ago that my panels of microsoft engineers explaining two customers. Why? They wouldn’t be supporting x p and why they should move to the next operating system. So why don’t you just give a little explanation is i think there are still a lot of officers running windows expert why is that risky? Um, you know, the departed that it runs and experience has been historically one of the most stable versions of of windows that’s been around, um, and, you know, people argue that back and forth, but the fact is that if you don’t have updates, it’s more vulnerable to being attacked by viruses and hackers, all those nasty things that happened to computer systems, and eventually khun lied to either just the computer system crashing your dying completely, becoming unusable four for the villains stealing your data and interrupt your important work that gets done on that computer and that’s what it means, if microsoft is no longer supporting the xb operating system, then they’re no longer issuing security updates and bug fixes, right? Absolutely right, exactly. Okay, um, if we’re going to be extending the lifetime of hardware, and that probably happens in a lot of officers even where there is locally run applications because because of budget reasons. What are some things we can do to reduce our risk of working with these older machines? The kind of going along with what i just talked about? What windows x p one of the things that can be done is upgrading the operating system to a supported operating system and in some cases, hyre. For instance, moving from expert to windows vista may not be a good thing because it took it, took more hardware, took more horsepower, increased cps, more memory, that kind of thing. And by the time you add your closer cpu and increase the memory in your in your aging computer, you may as well have brought a new computers now faces. You could buy a desktop computer for three, four hundred dollars now. And, uh so replacing parts in an agent computer could cost. You have tio two thirds of that amount. So is it really, really valid too? Spend that kind of money on something that marginal up too up today. One you could actually just get something brand new, and i kind of skipped the whole the whole update. Okay, you know, okay, but if we have to hold on. To equipment longer, back-up is one strategy right for minimizing our risk? Well, yes, certainly back-up is strategy that needs to be managed and done all the time, regardless of the age of the computer, even even on a brand new computer. Of course, you need to have back-up of your data, you need to have contingency plans for disaster and think about all the problems just happened up in the northeast with storms, a lot of those computers and the electricity they ran them and the infrastructure that supported all that just, uh, disappeared in some cases, aaron, certain certain cases became unusable for some period of time. So what? What’s the contingency? What would you do if that happened? Maybe maybe better. In-kind in line with the question is, what did people do when that happened just a few weeks ago? So back-up yes, absolutely. Back it up back your software up back. Your application’s up. But more important, we have a plan for what to do when something that happened and and so these back-up should be automatic, right? We’re past the days when there’s a there’s a manual process involved in backing up. That depends. Certainly. Back-up should be automatic, especially in smaller organizations. We’re where there’s a smaller amounts of data it’s relatively inexpensive, too, to set up on offline back-up for online back-up i guess that connects through the internet to some remote, uh, location where your data is stored and the software that runs those should run automatically on either the server that you’re running your software on or on the individual no computers that are running that because, you know, data could be candy and usually is everywhere could be on the local disc drive can be on a server somewhere, so but yes to your point back-up absolutely needs to be automatic, and even if it is automatic should be tested because, you know, a large percentage of backup systems fail, and we only find that out at the time we try to actually use back-up right? So you should be testing that you can recover data that you know how to do it and that it is recoverable a cz you mentioned, you know, non-profits that were affected by sandy, there were offices that were closed for weeks, i guess a lot of people then saw the value of being in the cloud, if if they weren’t or saudi, certainly, if they were, because then all they needed was ah, web browser, and they could grab that from there could have that from their laptop that was with them or from some, some other some of their source, but then all they needed to do was able to reach the clouds. Exactly, and i’ve talked with folks that essentially used their cell phones, smartphones as a cz computer systems. They’re pretty much very small computers, right? So if you have, uh, a connection through a cell tower, which is a lot of cases during the storm was pretty much the only thing if even that was available, and so you’re able to connect out two applications running on your smartphone, maybe not being conveniently operated as you would your desktop with your laptop, but you could get there, and you could do the least very important things you need to get done. Okay, so reducing risk back-up and testing the backups, the disaster recovery plan, virus protection, malware protection. And you also mentioned some having the right policies in your article, you mentioned having the right policies on on employees. Use of the of the technology right employees are, you know, the best thing that can happen to an organization that can also be some of the most difficult sources of disasters. I mean, people make mistakes, and some some other people, um, do bad things. So, uh, you want to be sure that you have ways to get around or have contingencies, just in case either mistakes or somebody just decide they want to be not so nice and actually damage, er, we’re steal our lead or get rid of data, some other ways. We’re going to take a break. We’re going to take a break, scott koegler stays with us, we’ll keep talking about a computer crash and had a avoid that. We’ll talk a little about timeline, planning and budgeting training to stay with us. You’re listening to the talking alternative network. Are you stuck in your business or career trying to take your business to the next level, and it keeps hitting a wall? This is sam liebowitz, the conscious consultant. I will help you get to the root cause of your abundance issues and help move you forward in your life. Call me now and let’s. Create the future you dream of. Two, one, two, seven, two, one, eight, one, eight, three, that’s to one to seven to one, eight one eight three. 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Looking forward. Ah, good point. Tony. The first thing to do obviously is to know what you have. So you need to take an inventory of your systems. And when i say an inventory, i mean very specific. You know, what is the what is the product that you have is that the desktop is of the laptop what’s the cpu and what’s the speed of it what’s. The age of when was it purchased? What’s the operating system. All those very specific. Now, the attributes that go to make up a computer and there are there are several pieces of software that will actually go across the network and scan your network and deliver you a, uh, an inventory. Okay? Because that would include that includes all your peripheral, still your printers, right? And exactly servers. Certainly. Uh, do you happen to know any of the names of products that will do that for listeners. I don’t recall them. I actually wasn’t prepared to talk about that, right? That’s something that you want to go through, we can certainly schedule. Well, what do they mean? It’s an important playing it’s? Uh, for one way or another, you need to have a new inventory of what it is they have, and then go ahead and make an evaluation of what parts of that are at risk unnecessarily in terms of breaking but at risk in buy-in affecting your organization or some organizations if they’re running their applications in house, that risk is going to be c p u speed, hard drive viability that amount of memory in the operating system for organizations that are running cloudgood based applications it’s really going to be? What is the one of the operating systems and browsers now? It’s going to be far less critical? Obviously. And once you have that inventory and you’ve got the evaluation of what parts of your inventory are critical, then you need to evaluate basically, you take a guess. What do i think is going to change or or effect the things that we’re doing in our organization? Over? The next one year, two years, three years and from that then you can make a projected estimate of what should be replaced. So it’s kind of a multi step process, not necessarily easy and certainly not an infallible i guess because, you know, you really don’t know what’s going to break and you don’t know what kind of technology is going to come on in the future. Okay, but you’re looking at the oldest stuff first, right? Sure. That’s. The easy part. Last last in first out. Buy new stuff to replace it. Okay. Let’s help listeners out if they wanted to search for these the kind of software they were talking about that will scan your network. Like what? What keywords would you search for in google? I would try network inventory. Okay, good enough for budgeting now. How do you look forward into what the technology is going to cost? Two, three years from now, the the good laws of computer development are that the prices will go down. Capacities will go up. So if you look at what you what your expenses take the piece of equipment that you want to replace today and get a price for that? Just go to the market, you know, go online and find something that is an equivalent to today and start with that number. Because you know that one year from now, two years from now, three years from now, you’ll still be able to spend that amount of money in terms of you know, is there a product available that you could purchase for that amount of money? Okay, cesar, that amount of money in a year’s time, we’ll buy you more capacity. So for one thing, that gives you the ability to take a number and make a budget. Secondly, it kind of future proofs of purchases, so that in a year from now a cz as your requirements for capacity changed, the availability of the equipment will change as well. So i kind of go along the same path, so pick today’s numbers and use them in your budget. Okay. Interesting. I realize i said something incorrect a few minutes ago. I said when you were figuring out what what’s goingto be replaced to use a last in first out. But it should be that’s. That’s wrong. Should be first in first out. Essentially three. Oldest first, so first in first out, right? Oldest first. Okay, we have just a minute left. Scott, what other thoughts you want to leave people with about creating this thiss a short to medium term plan, medium term plan, i would say just get started on it, you know, one of those just like back-up if you keep thinking about it and kind of guessing on how it’s going to work, eventually it will be too late and you’ll never get there. All of a sudden it will be tomorrow, and the disaster is here and you’re not ready. So i would say the same thing with the, uh, with the replacement plan going on planet, even if it’s in perfect and by the way, it will be in perfect. Go ahead and figure out what it should be. Get something scratched on paper or put into the spreadsheet, and you can always add to it and refine it. But the most important thing is to get it in process, get it in place. Get your organization to understand what that what that processes and, uh, you know, get a few minds working on it because chances are that more people thinking about it better than one person thinking about scott koegler is the editor of non-profit technology news, which you’ll find it n p tech news dot com and on twitter he’s at scott koegler scott thank you very much. Happy holiday. Thanks, tony had theology. Thank you very much. Also, of course, my thanks, tio. Robert egger. Next week, there’s no show because of christmas. And if you celebrating christmas, you have my wishes for a joyous one. And hope you get spent a lot of time with family and friends. I’ll be back on friday, january fourth wave greg warner he’s, the president of marketsmart and he’s. 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