449: Leadership & The Power Of Failure – Tony Martignetti Nonprofit Radio

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Leadership
Nikki Henry wants leaders to communicate effectively, set clear expectations, break down barriers, embrace DEI, and more. She’s CEO of Ladies Leading Ladies and she spills it all.

The Power Of Failure
Failures are as powerful as success stories to rally folks around your cause. Whitney Raver encourages you to embrace your bungles and botches – and share them with your communities. She’s chief development strategist at What’s The Word. 

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Hello and welcome to Tony martignetti non-profit Radio Big non-profit ideas for the other 95% on your aptly named host. Oh, the Video guide for non-profit marketing, which is the definitive guide. I’m in it, they quoted me. Ah, and it’s a very astute, articulate on accurate quote. They got it right, Um, in all its students and articulateness, this guide is from type Ito T y p i t o type a type edo dot com. They’re the canvas of video. The guide includes the strategic like acquisition, engagement, stewardship and tactical, like lower thirds and captioning and text animation. You’ll find this thing that I’m in at t y p i t o dot com and I thank them for including me and I’m glad you’re with me. I’d get slapped with a diagnosis of Dalek. Oh, several ism if you hit me with the heady idea that you missed today’s show leadership. Nikki Henry wants leaders to communicate effectively set clear expectations, break down barriers embrace D I and more. She’s CEO of ladies leading ladies, and she spills it all. Then the power of failure failures are as powerful as success stories to rally folks around your cause, Whitney Raver encourages you to embrace your bungles and Boches and share them with your communities. She’s chief development strategist at What’s the Word on Tony Steak, too? Show number 450 Responsive by Wagner C. P A’s guiding you beyond the numbers. Wagner cps dot com By koegler Mountain Software, Denali, fundez. They’re complete accounting solution made for non-profits tony dot m a slash Cougar Mountain for a free 60 day trial and by turned to communication, Shin’s PR and content. For non-profits, your story is their mission. Turn hyphen to DOT CEO. Here’s Nicky Henry and leadership. It’s my pleasure to welcome to the show Nikki Henry. She is the founder and CEO of Ladies Leading Ladies, a company dedicated to helping women and non binary people grow as supportive leaders. She’s a passionate dork. She’s at ladies underscore leading underscore, and the company is at ladies leading ladies dot com. Welcome to non-profit radio. Nikki Henry. Thank you so much, Tony. My pleasure. What’s a passionate dork? So I call myself a dork because I am super, uh, nerdy in the way that I want to make sure that data and research backs up what I am teaching with leadership. As I was growing as a leader, I always went back to the data and research and my undergrads in psychology. So I just have that nerdy numbers data research part of me. But I’m super passionate, and I I have worked in non-profits for the last decade because I care about families, and I care about our communities. Okay. Uh, it’s fair. Of course. You know, that was that. I didn’t label you that. That’s Ah, that’s your idea, That is, um So we were supposed to connect that? Ah, 1990 sea. And then you were so passionate about helping your audience on. They wanted so much of you afterwards that you couldn’t make it to the recordings boost on time. And so now so here we are, many months later, but I’m glad it worked. Doubt metoo piela very. For a while, I was a little I was a little noncommunicative. You e mailed. And then I said Okay, hold on. I’ll get I’ll get to you when you know when I have a breaking schedule. So I don’t know. I hope that, uh see, I like Esso I was not reaching out. Um, I like to lead by fear and intimidation. Um uh, condescension. You, no doubt. So that’s my style. That’s right. That’s why that’s why I wasn’t getting back to you. I mean, we could have done this the first week after ntcdinosaur. I wanted to exercise my leadership in my, uh, my white male privilege and authority. Oh, my goodness. Just so fun. Yeah. So I feel like that’s my leadership style. Is that is that is that in line with what you’re doing at the lady’s leading ladies? You know, I feel like you just did my intro and the opposite. Yeah. Okay, so my my method is the antithesis of yours. I would say so. All right. I don’t know. Fear and doubt and loathing and condescension. They seem to work well for me, but all right way don’t have to go down that way. Um, So you want Thio? Well, tell me what leading ladies leading ladies is about. Yeah. So this company really came out of my own experience in the workplace. And like I said, I spent about 10 years in non-profits working in different leadership roles, and I noticed a couple of things. One, especially in the nonprofit world, were very much trial by fire. I got thrown in, um, you know, as a first time leader and had to figure it out. So there was a lot of that imposter syndrome going on with me. A lot of the scared that people are gonna find out. I don’t know what the heck I’m doing. Um and so I just dove into teaching myself. So I definitely saw that piece. I saw that lack and I saw that white space, especially with our non-profits on properly training and investing in our leaders so that we conserve our community’s best. And the second thing I saw is one of the programs that I worked with. We scaled rapidly over a five year period. We went from four full time employees to 55 during that time that I was there. And so we had a ton going on. And what I noticed was specifically the women that I worked with who were incredibly hard working so intelligent, um, and had been with me from the get go, weren’t throwing their hat in the ring for those promotions. And for those management opportunities. And so I got to really chat with them and dig in. But I know this isn’t a unique problem. This is something that we’re facing in our workplaces where we have a lack of representation of really strong, amazing women in those leadership roles. Okay. And you want to turn that around Exactly. Okay. Uh, so you’re some of your advice is around effective communications for women. So what are what are what are women not getting right that they could be doing better around communications And And how do we sex it? You know what’s fun s o with the with the business. I really have a passion around bringing women and non binary people into representation and leadership. But what I teach is not gender specific. And what I actually found, the more that I dug into research and data, you know, from Gallup in different areas is that if we’re gonna go with gender stereotypes, women are actually better prepared to be the most effective leaders. Based on what the data is showing us, an effective leader looks like. And what that means is now we need coaches. We don’t need managers. We need. People who are focusing on relationships are focusing on development are focusing on, um, that communication, bringing together multiple perspectives and really creating a team versus just the top down, you know, crack the whip type of accountability that we may have had in the past and may still have in many workplaces. So it’s really about that communication and getting to know your people one on one as human beings and how you can uniquely motivate them to be the most successful team member that they could be. Okay, s o teamwork. Collaborative. You know, people, uh, we just have, like, a minute and 1/2 or so before before our break. What? How come we, uh s So how can we break down the barriers that exist between leader and following, You know, whatever Employer, employee advisor, supervisor worker. I mean, is it as simple as just like social events o r. Go deeper? I think it’s deeper, and I think it’s two main things. I think that it’s training and rewarding our leadership for being those supportive leaders or as burn a Brown says a daring leader. Um and then the second piece is really focusing on diversity equity and inclusion. I know you were speaking about that on a previous podcast where we really have to dive into our own identity is the identities of those that were working with and be able to really embrace the assets that come along with that diversity and an inclusive workplace. Yeah. Yeah, we did. We get ah, a couple of d I topics and 19 ntc and we talked about it before that. Um right. Why don’t we, uh, take our break right now? Pursuant. They’ve got a podcast as well, and there’s there’s is go beyond. It’s hosted by their vice president, Taylor Shanklin, who’ve been a guest on non-profit radio a couple times. Ah, a couple of recent episodes of go beyond our Self Care for Leaders and four digital trends. For 2019 you will find the podcast Go beyond at pursuing dot com slash Resource is now let’s go back. Thio. Nikki Henry. Okay. Thank you for that indulgence, Nikki. Henry. Absolutely. Go take care of our our sponsors. Um all right. Um So how do we so I’d like to get into some some, you know. How do you do it? Not just not just not just what to do, but but how So how can How can an effective leader get to know they’re there? There, folks better abila more, more personally. You know, as you were saying, Yeah, So at 19 NTC, um, I was going through this with our group there and some of the three top things that I really focus on our your communication. So both in meetings and facilitating those meetings, setting clear goals and just motivating and engaging your team. So one of the things that I really push, um, and have seen work in my own work but also in others is that our leaders take time to sit down one on one on a weekly basis with each of their direct reports. And when I say that people screeched to a halt because nobody needs more mean eight meetings, nobody wants to be stuck in meetings more than they already are. Right? So it’s really about how to make those meetings productive. Um, And how Thio, I understand that making that investment of time these weekly one on ones or 25 30 minutes make that investment of time is actually going to give you more time on the return because you’re having less of people knocking on your door and saying Hey, do you have a minute? Hey, can I ask you a question? Hate kanai This on the same page? You’re aligning at least weekly. Nobody. Converium off course too far if you’re really talking on a weekly basis and you work into that weekly conversation a human element as well. So asking people about their Weiqing of weekend asking people about their family and making sure that there is that human element in it as well as we move forward. Okay, this is related to something I just read on Seth Gordon’s Blawg. Okay, basically, he was talking about slack. You know that we don’t have to be so tightly, um timed and so efficient in the in the short term that in the long term we’re going to suffer. He uses the analogy of airplanes the way you know it. Sze time down to the minute. And if there’s a storm, you know when every plane is being utilized in the short time in the immediate term there’s a storm or a breakdown of an aircraft, there’s no slack built in. So the whole system cascades and can collapse. If there’s a storm in L. A or New York or Chicago Santa, um, the whole country can come to a halt aircraft. So, um, you know, So his recommendation is, you know, don’t be so short term focused and build in some what you might consider to be inefficiency in the short term. But in the long term, it’s gonna be it’s gonna give you rewards. That sounds like you’re saying, have these weekly 30 minute meetings. Um, what you’re gonna know they’re gonna cause you a little tightness in, but in the long run, you’ll get you’ll get Amore, I guess Committed employees who you get to know someone who’s gonna be more likely to come to you with a problem instead of quit when there’s a problem. Exactly. Take a week of Lee sick leave and then quit while there’s reportedly sick. They’re out looking for you. Actually had an interview. Yeah. Yeah, they’re gonna talk to you and you’ll develop amore more committed. More, more collaborative employees. Exactly. All right. All right. So 30 minutes, 30 minute, one on ones. You okay? What What else do you like to see so and a lot of these, they might sound like we’re going back to the basics, right? But another latto always. That’s not always, but that’s not always bad. Yes, we could use a more basic. So I think it’s important because we might know these things. But practicing them is a whole different thing. So I also talk about smart girls, which again people kind of roll their eyes because I asked everyone in the room How many of you have heard of smart goals? Almost everyone raises their hands, right? And then I asked people, How many of you are utilizing that when you give out, you know, a task list or goals to your team members? Crickets? Very rarely are people actually looking at. Okay, we’re talking about what our priorities are for the weak. I’m, you know, helping someone to set those priorities. But I didn’t take the extra 30 seconds, one minute, two minutes to go through and make sure that it was specific that we know how we’re measuring success. But it’s actually achievable that it’s relevant to what we’re working on the big picture. So we’re not just doing busywork and that there’s a deadline that were clear. And if we actually took those act extra 30 seconds to two minutes to go through that with things that were asking of our team, we would have such a more efficient workplace. But also we would have such a better relationship because our expectations are a lie. And we know what’s being asked of us. We have clear expectations. And also, as a leader, you’re going to get a project or a product that is actually what you asked for versus that person trying to read your mind and ending up. You get something and you say, What the heck is? This is not what I asked for it all. And you know okay, yeah, clear expectations, any anything. So let’s ah, shift a little bit from Well, they’re all related. But expect eight expectations setting no more advice around making that clear for people. Yes, I think that you know, those two things really tied together. So the smart girls on the one on ones because you want to be talking early often, Um, and especially as we are in Thio, a millennial generation that’s taking you know, is the largest part of our work force. You’re gonna see the same with Jen’s e J. Expect early and often immediate feedback. And so that’s going to increase that relationship. Increase that communication and decrease the times that you’re really going to end up with someone not understanding their expectations and veering off course so early and often regular feedback, both good and bad. Eso really balancing those? The other thing that I will say, especially because you’re putting these extra meetings on um on the calendar, is don’t hold meetings that could have been an email, so you’re already taken the time to sit down one on one. Don’t hold the weekly staff meeting or the weekly department meeting. If you’ve got nothing to say. If you’ve got no nothing that needs to be brainstorm or worked out as a team, if it’s just an update to policy, it’s a memo. It’s a schedule whole thing. Shoot it in an email, don’t add more time to meetings because that’s why people really, really dread them is because they’re just sitting in something that they could have read in an email in five minutes. Okay, you’re, uh go, Just go on back to the first point you made about being honest. You know it, Sze totally unfair to an employee Thio to find out at the annual or the semi annual performance review that you know there’s a problem with something exactly. And it’s been festering for months. For months or something, you never give the person a chance. Toe improve. Now you’re now it’s formal. Now it’s written now. Now they feel like they’ve been shat on Andi and they got like, a blind sided races versus having a conversation with him in one of the 30 minute one on one meetings. You know, there’s a problem. This is not. This is not the way we I want this done or you’re not meeting expectations or whatever the heck it is from from the hours you keep to the attire to the to the smelly food you do in the kitchen. You know, whatever it is, you’ve got to tell people and give them a chance to improve. Absolutely. And it’s something that leaders really struggle with, right? There’s a lot of the times were promoted into leadership positions because of the good job that we did in our last position, not because we particularly have leadership skills or or those types of things. It’s a reward for doing a good job. And so that means that we get a lot of leaders who haven’t had any leadership training. I think the last study that I looked at, over 45% of current leaders and managers have had no leadership or management training at all. We treat it as if it’s a talent or a natural ability, where, as it’s a skill just like learning, excel or learning a new database, Um and so a lot of people are conflict avoidance. And so they have a hard time having those easy at the beginning conversations about you know, Hey, you’re wearing too much perfume and it’s given so and so a headache. You know, something silly like that. They don’t have that up front, and then it turns into like what you’re saying. They’re being blindsided in a formal evaluation instead of just having a quick conversation. So building those relationships and trust and respect on a weekly basis also helps the leader to be more comfortable to bring those things about with with their employees and with their team members. But it’s also something that has to be practiced, and it has to be rewarded in the workplace as well for our leaders to be assertive and thio Thio knit problems in the bud and have those open and frank conversations. If someone says they don’t have enough time to do 30 minute meetings with everyone that reports to them, does that mean they have too many direct reports? So I was just going to say I have one of two answers. Either you are overseeing too many people directly, Um, or you are You don’t have any time because your people are constantly interrupting you. So there’s, you know, to kind of pieces to that. So if you’re generally speaking, if you are overseeing more than 10 people directly meaning there is no level of, you know someone in between, there’s not another person. They can go to. A lot of the time CEOs think. Well, I oversee the entire company. No, no, no. Just your direct reports. Um, if you’re overseeing more than 10 then probably you’re not able to give them the time that they need to be a coach versus just being a manager, and that is going to hold back your employee engagement, which then holds back the success of your teams in the success of your organization. So that is one thing. But the other piece is people think that they don’t have time. Well, if you took intentional time with your team, you would see within a month. If you really committed to this, you would see a huge amount of time saved because you were dealing with it on the front end, versus being reactive. Okay. Okay, Cool. Um, how about some motivation, huh? You touched on little Bit’s talk about explicitly motive motivating the folks who work for you. Yeah. So each of your each of your employees is a unique human being there in the work that they do for unique reasons. So getting to know them in those weekly meetings and elsewhere to understand why the they do the work they do is gonna be incredibly helpful to you as a leader, because then you can tap that’s specific reason to help motivate them. But more generally, I think there are a couple of things that we can do to motivate and create an engaging work environment as well. I think one thing is encouraging friendships at work. So not being the boss that walks into the room and then everyone’s a she because you’re not supposed to be talking, um, so allowing that also creating opportunities for people tohave lunches together to get together off the clock toe, you know, feel like they can actually create, um, these relationships that help them to be more resilient in the workplace. And I think also one huge piece of motivation that I think is often missed is talking to people about their long term development. And I talk a lot about doing that through what I call stay interviews and not just me. Everybody calls him stay interviews, Um, but a stay interview is a play on an exit interview. We get all of this really robust, amazing information when people walk out the door. Well, why don’t we ask those questions once or twice a year or once 1/4 and get that really important information? While we still have the talent, Let’s keep the town. Let’s retain them so deeper into their development in their long term career planning. So asking questions like what is it that troubles you here. What would you do differently like that? Exactly? Yeah. Taking exactly those exit interview questions and turning them into stay interview. So why do you work here? What do you love most about your job? What would you change if you had a magic wand and have that authority to do? So? What are some benefits that would make a difference to you wanting to stick around in this job? You know, things like that. Okay, Uh, now on the friend you know, that sort of developing the friendship side. I’ve had people say that they resent some of that. Why did they have to be friends with co workers? They’re they’re happy to have them. His coworkers. Why do they have to take them on his friends? I you know, and I totally get that. And I hear that as well from folks. And here’s the reason why, as a manager or a leader, you should push this because through research and study specifically through Gallup, they have shown that those who have a best friend at work are significantly more engaged and therefore significantly more productive at work. And when you think about it just, you know, anecdotally. Of course, If I got to show up every day and work with my best friend, I’m probably gonna be more happy to be there more eager to show up. You know, a happier human being and knowing that I have someone that I trust that I convinced to all of those things having that resiliency within the workplace is is fantastic. Not everyone’s gonna do it. Not everyone is going to be that engaged employees. They’re gonna be that there are going to be the types that one o’clock and clock out, go home, not talk about their personal life. Keep a very compartmentalized life. But I will say is the generations go on. That’s less and less because people don’t see the clear delineation between their work-life in their home life. Especially with technology. Yeah, especially right. Right. That’s that has changed. So much of our work-life is interwoven. In-kind personal. Okay, um, any, uh, any, like, special or, uh, types of events that you like to see or something fun that maybe people haven’t thought of it. We could all go out for drinks. You know, maybe it’s a bowling night, right? pizza on Fridays. You got something something special beyond the humdrum stuff that I just named. Sure, I think what’s important is to actually give your employees ownership over this. So what I’ve done in some of my past work places is to create. And they called themselves the fund committee. Um, but to create that committee and actually allow the employees to decide what they want to do with that time and if you can throw a little budget at it Wonderful. But also again coming from non-profit. Ah, one of the places that I worked with. We just did not have the budget for that. You know, we’re very Grant restricted and and we weren’t gonna get that that fund money. So what we decided to do instead is we worked with our controller, and we all decided to deduct $2 each paycheck to go into a fund committee fund because we wanted to get to know each other better. We wanted to have teamed building on, and it’s completely optional. And it’s a knot of, you know, we don’t send out the list to say, Hey, so and so is not in the fun committee. Um but, you know, allow that and then allow them to decide what it looks like with your approval to make sure that you’re not having an HR nightmare or you’re not, You know, misusing funds or anything like that. But let them have ownership. Let them decide, Let them tell you. Okay, okay. To try to ah, tryto resuscitate myself or laser tag. Laser tag. Could you do that? That’s not humdrum. I lovely attack. Yeah, Yeah. Um uh, Anything else you want to say about motivation? You know, I I think what’s important And this is something that I think we’re actually relatively good at in the nonprofit world, but is important to come back to We have to come back to our mission and we have to come back to our why on a regular basis. It’s really easy when we air show stressed with multiple grants and funding streams. And what not to get caught up in the numbers and your team? What they hear when they just hear numbers, numbers, numbers is that you’ve lost touch with the client. You’ve lost touch with the families. You’ve lost touch with the communities that we serve. So making sure that you’re bringing yourself back, but also as a team that you’re spending time to really reflect on how you are serving your miss mission, which is most of the reason why. Probably your team works for you right now. Bring it back to the mission. Yes. Frequent, I think. Frequent visits to the mission. Yeah, certainly in terms of new programs or new ideas that are bubbling because this is going to be a collaborative, contributing team, and they’re gonna have ideas, you know? Do they? That may be a great idea, but does it work within what were charged to do? Okay. All right. So we’re talking about a lot about meetings. I’m guessing you have some tips on running effective meetings. Efficient, productive. Happy meetings. Yes. Okay, let’s start with something that’s old friends of mine or the technology. Like the technology rules for meetings our phones allowed. Do you need Oh, my gosh. We only have two minutes left. Okay, uh, let’s do justice to tech rules for meetings. Okay? So I actually, I’m a millennial, so I am guilty of having all of my technology in the room when I’m doing meetings, but at the end of the day, as I’ve worked with people from different generations and different values as well. It doesn’t even have to be a generational thing. Those who do not allow technology in the meeting room, they have been much more productive. And it pains me as a millennial to say that, but it is absolutely true. Leave your laptop back there, leave your phone in your office because you’re their toe work together. And everyone in your meeting should have a reason that they’re there. They should be someone who is contributing to the meeting. Otherwise, they shouldn’t be invited, Um, or made to sit through something. So put the phones away and focus on what you’ve got there and use that collaborative creativity. Okay, Um, now I’ve heard there could be an exception. You know, uh, my my pet is in surgery for my son is in surgery or my dad is in surgery. No. So that could be exceptions for those you know, those kinds of cases, right? I see that. But also that is a weekly, a slippery slope. So here’s what I say. Yes, there are always emergencies, but let someone know for the next hour, they need to call the front office. Then they need to call this phone line. And if there is an actual emergency, your receptionist, your office manager will come in and get you. But if you’re talking about in an emergency, then you pick up that phone every five seconds to check it, and you’re getting out of the flow of that collaboration, okay? And then there’s also the slippery slope, you know? Well, she had her son, but I don’t have children, but I have a cat cats in surgery. My cat is just like a child to me. Exactly. It’s not right. All right. Next to becomes a pet spider than the turtle, you know, gets ridiculous. All right, All right, Nikki. Henry, we gotta leave it there. All right? Thank you, Tony. My pleasure. She’s the founder and CEO of Ladies Leading Ladies. You’ll find her at ladies. Underscore leading underscore and the lady’s leading ladies dot com. It’s time to take a break. Yes, it is. Indeed. Uh, Wagner, C p A’s. They’ve got a free webinar on August 6th. Developing high impact grants. Improve your grants, research and writing. You’ll find it at Wagner cps dot com. Click Resource Is and upcoming events. If you miss it live, then watch the archive. Wagner cps dot com Quick Resource is and recorded events makes perfect sense. Did I mess something up here? Pardon me? Yeah, but, uh, but I didn’t do Wagner. I’m I I did already. No, I didn’t. I think you messed me up. I’m blaming it on Sam because I don’t have any interns. If I have an intern, I’ve blamed the answer we need in turns into show. So I have somebody to blame when there’s a screw up. Like right now, I don’t have one, but it’s certainly not my fault. It couldn’t be so. It’s just that that’s outside the realm of its Not it’s inconceivable, and I don’t mean inconceivable, like uh, like they using conceivable in the Princess Bride. I mean, it is inconceivable, so it must be Sam’s fault. Thea Other thing. The other sponsor that we need to talk about is Cougar Mountain software. 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Pleasantries toe our podcast, listeners all right after that raving ranting. It’s ridiculous. I’m not. Whitney Raver should probably hung up. She was on the phone. If she’s still with us, she’s our next guest on, and I’m pleased to welcome her, Assuming she’s with me. She is the founder and chief development strategist at What’s the word? That’s a growth acceleration agency focused on amplifying non-profit impact. She teaches how to use stories to build trust and raving loyalty among donors. I’m starting to ratchet it down now. I have to have a conversation with Whitney, for God’s sake, get piela linked a woman she and the company are both at What’s the world inc dot com and at oh, what I said, No, that’s not it. It’s what’s the word? Inc dot com? Pardon me, What’s the word? Inc dot com and at what’s the word Inc Welcome to the show. Whitney River. Are you still there? I am here. Who could leave that performance? I can think of a lot of people. My mom for number one and my dad, but they don’t listen to begin with. So that turned them off years ago. Um, welcome. It’s good to have you. You are calling from the Black hills of South Dakota. That’s awesome. That’s way West. You got Mount Rushmore, Badlands National Park. That’s a beautiful part of our country. Yeah. Oh, I love it. I’m 20 minutes away from the most beautiful national mom in the world. And of course, I live smack dab in the middle of four. So I’m surrounded by the most beautiful hills in the world, I think, but at least you might be biased. Like, you know, New Yorkers think it’s the center of the world. But you deserve to think highly of the black hills. So, um what? So you have what are some of the monuments there that you have? So we have not rushmore. That’s about 20 minutes away from my house. We have, like, he said, Badlands. The Black Hills are a national monument, and then we have. My personal favorite is the crazy Horse Memorial has been works there and their longtime friends of his family, and it’s just up. They’re carving a giant mountain buy-in into, you know, putting over the Black Hills. And it’s just incredible to see they’re carving the carving crazy horse into the side of a mountain like Mount Rushmore into hyre Mountain. It’ll be, um, 3 60 It’ll be an entire mountain, not just one face of it. So Mount Rushmore will be will be minimal. Minimize is minimal compared to this 360 degrees. What kind of project? How long does that latto many years? Does that take? Oh, it’s you know, they’re expecting It’ll be done in about 60 years the last time I checked. Plus, they’re also very because they’ve gotten a few new drill and technology has come along. The founder cortex Socolovsky was carrying his jack up the mountain and doing it by hand. It may take 60 years. You cut out a little bit there, but 60 years, you’re incredibly patient in South Dakota, you have to finish that thing in like, 20 minutes. Here in New York, we just start trampling on it or somebody would steal it or Or graffiti it, Uh, maybe 1/2 an hour. Give it. But 60 years. Damn, you have. Um I have a lot of patients I also love. You know, you have that enormous space, South Dakota. And there’s about 800,000 people who live there. Brittney, did you turn me off? Oh, we didn’t turn you off. Okay, You have 100,000 people. I mean, we have We have 8,000,000 in a little island here. Uh, I don’t know what the dimensions are, but it’s got to be, like 1 10/1000 the size of South Dakota. And we have 8,000,000 8 and 1/2 about 9,000,000 or something like that. You have 800,000 in the whole freakin state. That’s incredible. It’s another person. Yeah. Yeah, well, you’re surrounded by a forest. All right. Um, okay, enough geography, but thank you. We never had having had a call from South Dakota. Our guest from South Dakota. So, um, so, uh, this topic of failures little personal for you because you ran for the for the South Dakota House of Representatives. As did it. It didn’t go so Well. Well, yes. No. And we can absolutely talk about way. Are we talking about it right now? What do you mean? We can We are. We’re doing it. Let’s start no more about it than I do so well in that I did not win. Um, I mean, ballots were cast, and I end up going to appear, which, you know, broke my heart. But I did my job. I served three and gave my neighbors a choice. Okay, but what I feel really right was, um, in speeches and to be going in and e-giving a perspective, an opportunity to think of things in a way that they have never Ben exposed to before had just results. And I tell you what, I got dozens of phone calls, and in the days and weeks after that election from people who just said, Gosh, I just wish I had voted for you. What? Why didn’t he? Hey, so if I do it again, it might be a whole new conversation. Okay, but what came out of that, uh, that, uh I had to say that failure, That that lack of success I don’t know. I mean, we could use the word failure. The cell, The second is about failure. Look what came out of that. Would you learn from that failure that informs your your, uh, don’t fear your failure practice really? That people have to be spoken to. You know, I feel like it was closer to my community that the constituents in this district actually trusted. Or after after I had failed and gone back into them and and, you know, um, we’re we’re still in this together. You can still count on me saying that I have had promised Call me email me. Here’s my social media and where no one really did before while I was right, I still get plenty tons of e mails and phone calls all the time. You know, we need a brave voice for this issue. Would you mind keeping us in this capacity? So even though I failed, I think that because I was so open with it and because I was so accepting of it, I really have done a lot more to earn the trust of my community, simply running an offering to take that position. Okay, Awesome. And, uh, we’re gonna go take our first break. And when we come back, that’s a perfect transition. Cause you want, um, you want non-profits toe earn The trust of folks are well, we’ll continue with that. After we take this very short break Turn to communications, PR and content for your non-profit. They help you tell your compelling stories and get media attention on those stories and help you build support, media relations, content, marketing, communications and marketing strategy and branding strategy. This is all of what turned to does. They’re at turn hyphen to DOT CEO. I’ve got butt loads, more time for the power of failure and Whitney River Whitney. So what is this trust That, uh, I mean, it’s I think it’s implicit buy-in non-profit relationships, but we want to talk about it explicitly, asking for trust and building trust. How do you feel that sharing your failures helps? Helps that I want nick down the importance of trust non-profits all over staying a decline in donorsearch ship and e-giving, and it’s really it’s their capacity for impact. And one of the reasons for that is because you were then 20% of potential donors trust organization, and there is a wide range of reasons for that. We as non-profits and as impact creators view the world is it could be has to do a better job of not just vacating our vision but bringing people in on that vision. And that requires a more three dimensional story, um, or hope, view of our And that includes sharing her, sharing our failures. Yeah, um, listeners, I know that Whitney is cutting out a little bit. It’s it’s something in the phone. But we’re pretty sure that if even if she calls back, it’s not gonna make a difference of Whitney. I may ask like I’m a repeat. Something that I I think you’ve said or I asked you to repeat something. Okay, because you’re cutting out a little bit. I think it may help, though, if you speak louder. Okay. Okay. Um, all right. So yeah. I mean, this is this is, uh, consistent with what we know about personal relationships, right? I mean, if to build trust with I don’t know, a spouse, a friend, you know, you you share and and just over time, I mean, you don’t want to share the good things that you share. What’s what’s happening in your life, and it’s not all good. And over time that the people you’re sharing with feel that they’ve been brought into your you brought them into your confidence. Great. You pick each other up and buy a shared your failures and kind of throwing your bungles out there. You give your community a chance, your hero. You tend to take it as a non-profit, the place of the hero in the grand story. And if you read Donald Miller Story brand, you know that Really, Um the odd wants to be the hero. And by sharing your failures and giving them a chance t and help you as part of you, you really give them the opportunity to the hero in that story. And that’s one of the ways you you gain trust and and buy-in. Okay, I’m not clear on something. Uh, making someone the hero of the story could flush that abila more sure to be sure to talk. So, as a nonprofit organization, you you tend to be the hero in the grand scheme of your vision. You are connecting and volunteers to your beneficiaries to serve your mission and the role of donor or volunteers can’t sometimes be inadequately highlighted. The people who stand on the sidelines wondering whether or not they should get of their time or their money are there. They’re looking for some reprieve and by giving them an opportunity to serve you first as xero. So to speak, in the story outline of communication, you give them the opportunity to feel like they’re really important to you and therefore to the mission. Okay, so making your donors and volunteers and Central Central to the story. Great. Okay. Okay. Um, have you seen this? Ah, have you seen examples of this? Any stories you can share that you think I’ve been done? Well, certainly. We’ll tell you about the startup that we’re working with right now. It’s high altitude training. And these these books have an incredible mission. It’s a group of elite long distance athletes who have together to show how sustainable living is the road, who meeting our highest human potential. And they they’re promoting sustainable living practices and agriculture and energy, and they’re using their competition to show to build a community around these ideas. Obviously, as an athlete, you can’t show up and take every time every time you raised rape. Yeah, So we have to make sure that our community and we’re building a wide, um, community of donor sponsors, volunteer participants. That community needs to be with us, and you stand that, You know, we may come in 10 but that is not any less important to our mission. We have to be able to show them how every every failure, every pore, placement, every station is an opportunity to refine our actions and refined and learn more about the lifestyle that we’re trying eat and how to become better at it on dhe. How do they do? They or generally are you recommending, you know, like coming out, right? Like asking for trust Or this is just something that you build implicitly. You know, Bo, what’s it? For the most part, I’ll go back to Tiu Thio, you know, shit. Like my marriage, for instance, my husband and I just celebrated 12 years, and, um, when we when we first started dating, I adamantly against marriage or any, you know, major commitment. Because I didn’t have that kind of trust. And I think a lot of people can relate to that over time. You, you you you work other, you fail together, you grow together and you realize that we’re We’re in this together. You’re important. I’m important. We have to come together to to serve the school. Did you? Yeah. It does make sense. Um, you start by by by sharing. You start by moving it. Build enough of a background you do You turn to them and ask them. Trust me. Don’t need volunteer. Give speak. But in order to make that request valid, you want to spend your time building that relationship and half of half of it is testing. The other half is failure. Yeah, well, it doesn’t have to be 50 50. I mean, you could we could be a little more optimistic. Make it like 60 40 right? Failure, success to failure. And let s oblique is just, like half, but, you know, out there in South Dakota, please, Ideally, it doesn’t come up very often, but when it does, you know you don’t want to You don’t be the ones behind behind the eight ball, you know you want you want to get well, for instance, you know, this is kind of a political topic, but the, um, fiasco in Florida with the Florida charity. Um, they were in a position to receive a station from a questionable fund raiser. Um, you know, as soon as it hit the public act out and there there were two ways to go about handled situation and positioning yourself in that situation. And when we when we come up against, um, situations like that very, You know, 1/3 party may not a lot or best interest in mind, but their actions may not align with our mission. Our vic gold. We take a stand, and instead of receding into the you want to stand up and explain, you know where you are in the story, how you responded, how your response reflect on mission in values and division so that that story isn’t written by someone else. What about selecting the right failures to talk about? I can envision some that you shouldn’t, but let’s let’s put aside the ones that are that are public, and then, you know you have to you have to share. But, uh, you know, there’s some things that you might be a might be a bad hyre or something. I mean, what what types of failures. Would we include or not? Include? Okay, So, like you said some just public And you know, if it’s if it’s going to take off in the media, you definitely want to get that. Yeah, of course. But others include white fun galas. Think things like that where maybe you don’t have the amount that you were hoping for. Yeah, you know, a lot of organizations. What they’ll do is they’ll take their attendees and squeeze them into a little ball and take a picture to make it look like they’re 100. And they’ll put that story out and, you know, talk about the great turn and everything that was accomplished. But we still need you to donate really hard on trust. The messaging doesn’t align. Whether or not your audience really puts the time into unraveling that they know they know that there’s something off and that hurts their trust. What would How would you message it instead? Um, I would mess. It’s typically about like, uh, on event. I was humorously like, Wow, we really bumbled that one. We scheduled this during this other events. Too bad we’re not that popular, you know. But since that we need you guys to show up in this capacity instead. Okay? And you feel like this is something, by the way, we just have about two minutes left. You feel like this is a way, a way to move forward in 2019 and ahead. You see this as an important future trend or current trend and just increasing Absolutely Whether or not, um, the Internet and having you know, all of the station of ages in the pub wolber hand has forced us to be transparent as a non-profit. You are complete both. So you might as well work with that to build a station ship run with it. There are great organizations like charity. My gosh, I’m so gaga over charity water. I’ve never seen such such bold. And I mean almost surreal transparency. And that’s that’s the standard that donors want and need to see any. Yeah. Um, yeah, there’s a video I remember seeing charity water scum. Scott Harrison. The CEO is standing in front of a well that failed in. They do their work in Africa. I don’t remember what countries in but the well collapsed and he said, We’ll be back. We’ll be back And I’m sure I’m sure he sure they did go back. Um Okay. Whitney River. We’re gonna leave it there. Thank you very much. My pleasure. Thank you. You’re welcome. 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388: 18NTC/NTEN & SMS Fundraising – Tony Martignetti Nonprofit Radio

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Amy Sample Ward, CEO of Nonprofit Technology Network (NTEN), and our social media contributor.

Also, Rachel Kottler, with Maska, Neill & Co.; Taylor Dankmyer at Upland Mobile Messaging; and Sandi Fox, principle of Smart As A Fox. 

There’s more at tonymartignetti.com

330: Doing Good Better – Tony Martignetti Nonprofit Radio

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William MacAskill, author of “Doing Good Better” and associate professor of philosophy at Lincoln College, Oxford.

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253: Doing Good Better – Tony Martignetti Nonprofit Radio

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William MacAskill, author of “Doing Good Better” and associate professor of philosophy at Lincoln College, Oxford.

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123: The Future Of Planned Giving Marketing & Free Radio And TV To Boost Online Ticket Sales – Tony Martignetti Nonprofit Radio

Tony’s guests this week:

Greg Warner, founder of MarketSmart

Amy Spencer, market manager for Blackbaud & Kevin Russell, professional services manager for Blackbaud

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Hello and welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent. I’m your aptly named host. Welcome to the new year it’s january fourth of the new year. I hope you had lots of time for family and friends and good times over the holiday and time off from work. Oh, how i hope that you were with me long ago on december twenty first because i’d feel terrible if i had heard that you missed candidates for causes. Robert egger is the president of sea forward working to rally candidates around non-profit platforms, he and i talked about how to assess those in your local races, getting the non-profit agenda before them and how to support the candidates who step up. Also, it was computers crash. Scott koegler, the editor of non-profit technology news and our tech contributor, reminded us that technology can let us down imagine that your computer hardware will only last so long, and you should have a plan for replacing it to avoid a crisis. I talked to this former chief information officer about the hardware, life cycle, budgeting and planning this week the future of planned giving marketing greg warner, the founder of marketsmart, shares his insights on multi-channel awareness building, generating and cultivating leads and tracking what works and free radio and tv to boost online ticket sales. Amy spencer, market manager for blackbaud, and kevin russell, professional services manager for blackbaud i want you to recognize that you do have leverage with the media and that sending press releases is no longer the way to get radio and tv exposure for your event. This was pre recorded at the bb khan twenty twelve conference last october between the guests on tony’s take to my block is challenge the status quo, i heard you don’t be afraid to ask why i will talk about that. And after the bb con interview toward the end of the show, i’ll talk a bit about the just revived ira charitable rollover that’s getting a lot of talk in plant e-giving circles right now, it’s my very pleasure to ah, welcome greg warner. He is an experienced multi-channel marketing executive, he’s made tens of thousands of cold calls and closed thousands of deals, which give him a unique perspective into howto partner sales strategies with targeted marketing initiatives, his company marketsmart has helped lots of non-profits, including the american diabetes association, life matters, home health care, the association of the u s army and city of hope cancerous search center on twitter he’s at greg marketsmart he runs the linked in group smart planned giving marketers greg warner, welcome to the show. Hi, tony. Thank you. Happy new year. Thank you very much. Yeah. It’s. A good one. It’s going to be a good one. All right, we got it. We got the future of plan giving marketing to look forward to this is something to live for. Um, you want teo? See non-profits do broader prospecting around planned e-giving what? Your ideas around finding new prospects? Well, the first concept is a bit non donors and people that you may not find on your radar through predictive analytics or data modelling, uh, often will leave you gifts. And some of our clients tell us it’s more than fifty percent of their plan gift not all but that’s. A sizeable number. And you want to leave that on the table? Okay, so you need to broaden your approach, okay? And, uh, let’s talk about some of the waste to get doing. That ok? Well, it all depends on how much money you have, of course, and most folks don’t have a lot of money. So you want to look at the, uh, tools and channels that are available to you, uh, in order, teo, you broaden your reach, one of them, and i know a lot of people probably cringing the sound of the word facebook, but, you know, it’s a very simple thing when you think about the fact that people who engage with your organization on facebook they like you. Yeah, you know, we don’t cringe on this show. We don’t cringe around facebook way have any sample ward social media contributor she’s on every month talking about lots of social media networks, but facebook certainly among them. So we don’t. We don’t cringe when you talk about staying playing e-giving circles sometimes ah, cringe at that because it’s hard for folks in plan giving, understand how to connect the dots. Okay, well, let’s, let’s connect them for them. Why? Why should plan e-giving professionals be paying attention to facebook? Beyond the fact that a billion people are on facebook, but they’re concerned typically is age right playing, giving? You want to talk to people in their sixties, seventies eighties? The concern is that they’re not on facebook, but what? Where’s? The disconnect. Okay, so first you need to dispel the myth. So my mother in law come on. By the way, i got into all this because my wife’s a diabetic and i wanted to find a way to generate lots of money for the american diabetes association. Okay, my mother in law, of course, her mom is seventy two years old. I don’t think there’s too many people who are on facebook more than my mother in law. And again, she’s seventy two years old. Now what? God, god bless your mother in law. Of course i love all mothers in law, but even the ones that aren’t my own love them all but that’s, you know, people going well, that’s an anecdote. Okay, there’s one seventy two year old what do we know in aggregate? About sixty, seventy, eighty year olds prevalence on facebook. Well, i don’t have statistics on that, so i don’t know if i wantto start shooting off on that. But i will say that they have mor e i think it’s easy. To say that they probably have more time on their hands, right? Well, what what’s been the experience with your clients around facebook and planned e-giving well, here, here’s, just a basic example is that if those folks are there and let’s let’s, remember that younger donors forties and fifties air really when people are making their first will anyway, and if you want to get in there, will you should be planting the seeds of legacy gift because everyone at some point is going to contemplate their immortality, and they’re what ruffle james calls a symbolic immortality. So how can they live on after their lifetime? Okay, and if you start planting seeds just with basic awareness efforts, meaning if you get a gift, why not talk about it on facebook? How you say it, you have teo talk to your social media folks, make sure that you’re not overselling our overstating but it’s news, it’s information it’s something that’ll plant seeds in people’s minds. Okay, excellent there’s there’s an idea what else? What else should we be doing on facebook around planned e-giving well, if you have a comprehensive marketing plan and you have a lot of people who like your, um your page, then? It’s really important to realize that you can advertise on facebook so you can advertise to your like the people who like you? Yes, with, um, uh, little ads driving them to a landing page. The best offer is something like an offer free estate planning information or how to make a will. Okay, so this is buying facebook ads buying a facebook ad related to plan giving. Yeah, and you only pay for every time someone clicks on it. Or you can pay for impressions. But it’s very inexpensive. Really. Okay, what does that mean? Watch now, i haven’t had anybody in jargon jail for weeks and weeks, but you’re skating very close on since it’s been so long, i have a very itchy trigger finger to throw somebody in there. So what does that mean? Facebook, you can pay by the impression every time that your ad appears is considered an impression to a user versus paying by the click. Right? Okay, all right. We have just about two minutes before a break. Do you like to see greg non-profits have a devoted planned e-giving facebook page or you’re talking about the organizations overall presence in there on their own face and their facebook page. Without a doubt, i think it just should be something that implemented integrated into their overall presence and just it’s news it’s just sharing information with their friends. Okay, so so not necessarily a devoted planned e-giving facebook page for the charity. Okay, nobody well, i don’t think anyone will go to that, okay, what’s again, just about a minute before a break. What’s another, um, channel that you like to see exploited in planned e-giving that that people aren’t doing enough? Well, i think email has the most power when it comes to plan giving marketing, and we’ll have tto dig into that a little bit more when we come back. But it’s so inexpensive, but it can also be used the wrong way. It’s a hammer like you could break stuff with it, or you could build stuff with it. Okay, we want to build, right? Yep. Okay. As greg suggested, we will talk more about email and other channels and the future of e-giving marketing right now, i’ve got to send some live listener love. Oakland, california. Atlanta, georgia. Shanghai, china taipei, taiwan. Welcome. Live listener love to those four cities when we come back more with greg warner in the future of plan giving marketing. Talking alternative radio twenty four hours a day. Are you stuck in your business or career trying to take your business to the next level, and it keeps hitting a wall? 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Well, a lot of times, especially for plan giving marketing. Email is used to sort of shout out at their prospective donors that you know, for instance, here’s a whole bunch of information about ways that you can make a plan gift here’s tax avoidance strategies. You know, um, shouting in the for-profit world, the private sector just like in the nonprofit world, it’s never a good idea to just blast and spray messages, but rather to generate leads and find people who want to hear from you and then cultivate those leads with highly relevant messages over a long period of time. Okay, let’s, break this down a little bit. How do we how do we get started in being more sophisticated with our email? Okay, well, again, first is starting with a good list and that’s what we’ll call a opt in list, and that begins with offering something in your awareness campaigns or your acquisition campaigns usually plan giving. Or i would say, a state planning information to get people to request that offer. You always need a good offer. Is that them? When they do, they go into the culture cultivation pool. Is that the opt in the acceptance of the offer? Is that what you mean, by opt in where you’re treading close again, you want teo, let them know that you’ll be sending them or information when you send them the first piece of information and okay. So after you send them what they’ve asked for a tte the same time, you send them that they would ask for your telling them that they will be getting mohr and you give them a chance to opt out of getting more exactly. Okay, all right, you better watch yourself in drug in jail. Your little your little risk taker? Uh, yeah. I want to be in jargon. No, i’m kidding. I don’t. I don’t get the first person i said don’t smack me around later. All right, well, don’t tease me. Um, let’s. See what? We have a good list. We haven’t opted in list. What’s next in being more sophisticated with email. Okay, if you’ve done your opt in, right and let me take one quick step backwards is that you’ll ask people what are their interest? What? You know, are they looking for ways teo get income for life that would kind of put them into the pool of possibly wanting message is that refer to charitable gift annuities. Okay, now, how do you how do you ask these questions? You know, in a poll by email or how you eliciting this information? Generally, before you give them the information that they want. Like if it’s a state planning information, you’ll want to ask them what topics are interesting to them. Ok, how do you ask that in an email with a pole or a link to a paul? How do you do that? Okay, good. It’s going generally part of the landing page. Okay. So where they request information that’s on a page that they lend to request that information, then the questions pop up. Okay. Do you want this information? Do you want this brochure or that one? Uh, you know what topics are you interested in? You can even ask a tw. What stage are you in? In the consideration process? Have you ever considered leaving a gift in your will? The number of questions that you could ask you should be. Keep it short, but you should try a new one. Okay, so you’re trying to get people to identify themselves as having interest in plant e-giving topics and specifically which one’s, right. Which dump and most important, why not throw in the question? Have you already left a gift? Yes. Okay, right. Critical physical because you’ll fight. Go find a lot of people. The next step is sending relevant information over time. If they’ve already left a gift, will first, of course, you’re going to want to thank them, hopefully personally, but at the very least, you’re going to want to put them on a cultivation or i’m sorry a stewardship track. You want to welcome them to your recognition society for planned e-giving or however it is, you do it to say thank you over the long term. Yes. Okay, okay. That was a little digression, but an important one. Very important. You don’t want to lose that gift. Remember, you can always lose a gift. Just is often just as much as you get one. If you’re not. If you’re not saying thank you enough and properly and for sure, after the person reveals that they’ve included you. Yes, absolutely so let’s. Go back now you have ah, you have your you’ve qualified your list and it’s it’s opted not only opt in, but, you know the topics that people are interested in each person’s interested in how do you continue to become more sophisticated with your email? Okay, now i’m going to try my best to stay out of jargon jail. You said you wanted to be there with your flapper somebody’s into flip flopping. He’s a flip flopper page. Okay, cookie can be placed on their computer. Yes, not only are they opting in for your messages, but if they didn’t fill out the form because they just decided not to. Because of that cookie, they could get ongoing banner ads for quite a while. As long as you decide throughout wherever they navigate on the internet, really and that’s called retargeting, so if they got interrupted, if they just decided not to fill it out, then you could have these ads driving them back to that page or a different page, maybe just sending them to maur, symbolic immortality messages or videos or something different that’s about legacy e-giving interesting. Now, i know this goes on because after i fill out our something or i go to a site somewhere, then you know from time to time i’ll see banner ads or pop. Up ads on a completely different sites related to the topic that that i was exploring a week earlier. So i know this nefarious stuff goes on. It’s a highly effective kind of marketing. It works, and again, you can pay for it per click or by impressions. Okay, thousands. Okay. And tell me, what is this marketing called again? That retargeting retargeting? Okay, because you’re re targeting the person’s advertising. Is that why it’s called that? Yeah. They already got halfway to making a decision to commit to something with you, but they didn’t go over the edge. So you want to read the this is most famous for shopping cart marketing? Like if you were on amazon dot com. But you didn’t buy that that that book? Yes. They’ll you ads for similar book, right? They know the amazon, of course. Very sophisticated. Okay, but no reason. Charity shouldn’t be equally sophisticated. Course. Okay. Is there more? What else can we say about email? This is very interesting. Okay, so once you get them to opt in and fill out their information so that you you know what they’re interested in and you’ve got that cookie, then you can start tracking them schnoll not only should they go on track that we call marketing automation tracks to get emails that are relevant to their interests, but you need to track where they click every time you send those e mails. And again because of this sophisticated tracking that i’m talking about in these cookies and, uh, i p address capturing i p address, by the way, is just the address of where their computer’s located. Thank you. Okay, by using those tracking tools, you can begin to capture who’s coming back specifically which individual person their name is coming back and visiting other pages that you are pushing them, too, with your ongoing marketing email. Okay, as they come back and as they engage more, the more they more they engage. They can then get lead scores, so if they stay online for a certain period of time, if they click on a certain number of pages, if they keep coming back three, four times, you can determine what kind of scores you want to give each individual person and program it, then based on where they go, how often they come back all those different things you can program different messages. You can slow down the number of messages that go out or increase the number of messages that go out each individual and again they need they should be relevant based on their interests. And this should break apart, sort of into into gosh, like a a flow chart, so that if they change their mind from the c g eight track for charitable gift annuities, then perhaps they moved to the bequest track because of where they’ve been clicking. Then they get different messages. I see. Let me remind listeners greg warner is the founder of marketsmart, which you’ll find at i marketsmart dot com either letter i so this email sophistication that you’re talking about can all be automated. You mentioned? Yeah, the the idea is to try and plan it all out as best as you can in the beginning. Okay, right. Okay. So you have your laying out these different tracks, but then you’re also tweaking as you get results back from all this tracking. Right, exactly. Takes time. And no, no everybody’s campaign is different. You have to make it. Look at all that. All the tracking and all the data. You’re collecting, review it and then tweak the messages. But all this tracking is valuable because you’re seeing people are not going to certain pages or you’re seeing an abundance of people clicking on different options so you can see the way people are moving through your through your whole system. Exactly. And i want to throw in the traditional marketing combined with this is very important because email is powerful and and you can do all this, but you can also signal to then send certain types of letters and brochures or whatever to these folks based on their interests. Okay? And that gives it an even bigger hit. Because, again, a cz you mentioned, a lot of these folks are older, and this is what i call an enterprise decision in the private sector. This is not donating. Five dollars or twenty five dollars, is creating a legacy for yourself and it’s. Usually a sizable gift. Okay. Okay. So we’re not cultivating these people for for small annual gifts or something like that? No, no. And and the idea is that for enterprise decisions, people usually want, uh, some kind of printed material. They want personalization they want. A hand signed letter. You know, i always, uh i look att helling plan gives similar toe selling cars. I mean, generally, the gift size is about what a car costs and, uh, it’s a long cultivation process on dh some people by mini coopers and some people buy bentleys, right? So there’s, plenty of room in plan giving space for all the people on that entire spectrum. Give me we have just a couple minutes, and i want to get into your some of your artist work also and how that relates to this. But you mentioned that email could be a hammer what’s one way that aside from to frequent that’s that’s an easy one we know to frequent emails could be bad. What’s another way that email could be abused and turn off your prospects well, if you’re shouting ill irrelevant information at them on dh often, uh, this can relate to tax avoidance strategies. There is a certain segment of the population and plan giving donor base that is very motivated by that. And i don’t wanna offend all the folks or my potential clients. But in plain giving there’s too much of a focus on taxes or i should say, death and taxes. Yeah, that’s really not. What motivates people? It’s no it’s love of the institution. So but with the with the targeted information that you have the specific information that you have prospect by prospect you can avoid sending tax avoidance information to someone who only wants to talk about a charitable request. And the reason that they’re interested in plan giving is that they love your institution. Exactly. Okay, i’m gonna i’m gonna neo-sage go into a different direction. You’re you’re very much an artist, oil painter, musician, singer and songwriter what’s the what’s, the relationship between the arts and marketing and sales. Wow, boy, i didn’t realize you did that kind of research on me. Thank you. Put it in your bottoms and research at all. I mean, i might have to think about that a little bit off the top of your head. What’s. The relationship was voted class artist when i was a kid in high school. But that’s not so i that’s not your credential. That’s not why it’s in your bio is because in high school you were voted class artist. Now you know it’s, just something. Women on morals if that’s the case he’s been awhile there, right brained people on their left brain people. And i think in business, in marketing, in anything you do, you’ve got to be creative and and open your mind to new ideas at any moment. You really have to just kind of keep, keep trying new things and be experimental and dahna whether you’re painting or writing a song or singing a song it’s all, uh, about experiments and changing things up, tio get that harmony to be better to get that color, to be better to get something to move people in an emotional way. Bilich outstanding and that’s and that’s what we just finish talking about in in plan giving marketing. Um, what is it you love about this work, greg? Wow. It’s interesting. I was talking to our account coordinator today. Uh, we were working on a new campaign for the navy marine corps relief society, which were just so excited about this and that hole at the end of it, we spent an hour and a half in front of a huge white board we have in our office and we go through everything. Everything. Everything, and then i looked at her at the end and i said, you know, what’s so great about this is that at the end of this, we’re gonna run. We’re going to raise so much money for sailors, marines and their families isn’t that awesome? And i just got this warm feeling inside. I’m like, isn’t this great? I mean, i get paid to do this and it’s just i’m gushing because that’s it’s so fantastic. Outstanding. Greg warner is the founder of market smart, which you’ll find it. I’m marketsmart dot com on twitter he’s at greg marketsmart and you can find him in the linked in group smart plan e-giving marketers lots of smart lots of smart going on. 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Big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent. Welcome back time for tony’s take two at roughly thirty two minutes into the hour. My block this week is challenge the status quo from questioning the way you track prospect visits in your office. Teo revamping a newsletter concept maybe, or adding a theme too on annual dinner or lunch that seems to be kind of in a doldrum year after year. My urging is that you start to question, how come we do it this way? Why? Why did we do it this way and not not just accept tradition? Which, as as a ah boy scout leader told me when i was in my teens, is often a mistake made more than once? That was his definition of tradition, so i’m just charging you don’t be afraid to challenge why do we do things this way? Especially if you’re the one who’s in the trenches doing the work day after day, year after year? You have an outstanding perspective on which things aren’t working and how they might work better, and my suggestion is that you start asking questions. The ones who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones who do. Oh, and in my block post there’s an apple video, which is a commercial around that exact that exact thought and the blah ge is called challenge the status quo, you’ll find it at tony martignetti dot com and that is tony’s take two for friday, january fourth, the first show of the year. I want to send some more live listener love kitakyushu, japan i hope i’m pronouncing it right we had a dispute in the in the in the studio here i went with tata kyushu, japan i hope that’s correct live listener love here’s one i know i can get laurel, maryland i hope i pronounced that right laurel marilyn live listener love and new york new york where are you? Where in new york, new york? I wish? Tweet us, use the hashtag non-profit radio and tell us where in new york, new york you are. We’re on west seventy second street right now, and i have now a pre recorded panel discussion to people from bb khan twenty twelve conference and they’re talking about how to use tv and radio for free. Teo, increase your online ticket sales amy spencer, amy spencer and kevin russell and here is that interview. Welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio coverage of bb khan twenty twelve we’re outside washington, d c at the gaylord convention center with me now are amy spencer and kevin russell. Amy is market manager for arts and cultural at blackbaud and kevin russell is professional service. Is that’s a plural professional services manager at blackbaud he delivers multiple services professionally, maybe. Kevin welcome. Thank you for having it. It’s a pleasure to have you. Thanks for taking time on a very busy day. Problem you’re your seminar topic is pretty curious. Make your online ticket sales soar with television and radio for free. Amy, why don’t you acquaint us generally with what the possibilities are? I was sure. Well, i think the thing that people need to understand is that i have well have twelve years in background in tv, so i was the general sales manager of the tv station, so what i did was i actually set the pricing, and i’d look at thehe veils and i and i sold the inventory things like that and what people most often thought that they could come into the building and say, well, i know by law, you have to give me free advertising and you don’t they’re by n a be the national association of broadcasters, we do not have to sell to any certain group which covers non-profit so i think one of things that people need to understand is that they don’t owe you anything, however, a lot of times they would come in very entitled at times and say, here’s, what i need you to do and here’s my p s a and i want it on the air and i’d preferred in the news and if not primes, ok, well, that would get them nowhere. So the thing that i would always say is, first and foremost, you have to figure out what to leverage on the non-profit side that you could take to the tv stations, and there are a lot of different ways to do it, and i still have a few tips and tricks, but one of the things is to figure out who in the tv station you can get to know and one of them is your general manager, and one of them is your general sales manager, and you have to explain to them that you have brand equity, that they can leverage and also make money from so not unlike fund-raising this is we’re actually going build some relationships in theory. Yes. Ok. So for those organizations who picked up the phone and called me a sudden appointment, it was amazing how many of those actually got on the air and that was maybe before they even needed something from you or wanted something from her act. Oh, this relationship it is. It is one o one. So so a couple things is they need to figure out i think there are three different ways non-profits khun get on tv and or radio for free? Um one they need to look at their board. They need to figure out who was on the board and what cos those board members own and or are highly influential within. Okay, we’ll have time to go into detail. Why you took him off the other two now and then we’ll come back and teach sure three ways you can either have the board jump in and and pay for that tv time. Ok, not on your dime. The other one is to have the tv. Underwrite you and i’ll get more into the detail later, and then the other one is to work jointly with each other and bring in a sponsor on your own. Okay, kevin, you wantto you wantto say a little more about the first one working work-life king to you’re looking to your board, working with your board shorts. So as you mentioned, this is relationship building and we all know people who know people, i’m in the local market. It is likely that one of your board members does have a relationship with the television station, maybe economic relationship. Maybe they know someone who’s there, and if they’re already engaged in advertising, buys this more amy’s forte than mine, then you could piggyback on that relationship and they might make sabat in the station and you might leverage that and say what? We’re going to make this a five thousand dollar buy. But the non-profit is going to get advertising on top of that so it can maybe not a condition. But if i do this, then please help this organisation. Does everything we’re talking about today include radio also its all this and or either one cracked. Okay, okay. And if i could jump off of what kevin was saying, i, for example, if somebody on the board had a huge car dealership that the tv station was already gaining thirty, forty thousand dollars a month from, well, guess what i need to make that boardmember exceptionally happy, so when that boardmember calls me says, oh, by the way, i’m involved with his children’s charity. What i want you to do is help underwrite that in the tune of five thousand dollars. You better believe most times more often than not, that tv and radio station will figure out a way how to make that happen. Okay, therefore, that non-profit gets all the advertising for free, as you would also mentioned having the board pay for for for baez. Look at me. I’m already i feel like you guys are the guys you got, like my dad follow-up certified. Yeah. So the other thing what what you could do is you can have them leverage it. And with their media buy, for example, go back to the car dealer. I own a car dealership. I’m coming in. I’m spending thirty thousand dollars. Well, if i go ahead and guarantee you that i’m going to do that for let’s say five months, and i get a high percentage that share, then i will also say well, and in return for just handing you one hundred fifty thousand dollars, you’re going toe hand my non-profit of choice additional five thousand dollars on top of that at no charge, so you can lever to you have on your board and what they own and or have influence around. This is not unlike what we might do if we’re we’re doing our research for grantmaking we’re leveraging the board’s relationship exactly. We’re looking at the board members who are on the foundations that we’ve identified that are that air funding, the type of work we’re trying to fund, and we share that we share a list of board members of those foundations with our own board. Exactly. We’re just leveraging, okay? Um, amy, you had said something earlier about what? What the charity brings to the to the to the to the outlet, sure, beyond our relationship with boardmember in trying to create this relationship that we want to have on our own charity to out, too, to a media outlet, why don’t you say a little more about what, what we should be presenting, okay, so for example, there’s a tremendous amount of brand equity within each non-profit and you better believe that that tv and or radio station wants to partner with those non-profits for example, a stage company, they want access to their patrons, they want access to that brand equity they have in the market, and they also want access to those sponsoring that organization. So in a way that you can leverage or for example, eh? Well, let’s, let’s keep going with that stage company, for example, so so they can leverage that stage cos organization on and worked together on promotions, they also want to get their news anchors out in the market, so what they can do is they can say, okay, well, we’ll come in with a partnership with you, but our anchors are also going to open up every show they’re going to welcome the audience, see, they’re they’re looking for different ways to get out on the market as well and on that market, and so if you give them the ability to leverage their raid equity, they’re on top of okay, kevin. It sounds like the supplies in all sides, media markets, it certainly would and maybe even eat more easily in smaller markets where the community is more tight essentially and we have amy, i work primarily with cultural organization, so they have these physical places they’ve got space is their community centers where people congregate, so when the talent goes out, there might be the opening of a brand new show and it’s a big event in this small community. So the on air talent is a part that community, and they want to show their face and be there so it does scale pretty well, the larger markets, he’ll have large organizations, okay, but another point certainly related is we’re not going to the to the outlets humbly, right, men, we’re going confidently. Amy said, we have we have equity that we can leverage that’s for your benefit, right? I mean, we’re not asking hat in hand now and that’s the one thing that i found that if and when they did, some organizations actually pick up the phone, explain to me what their mission is, what they want to accomplish. It was almost in a it was not. In the way, probably, it should have been almost apologetic. It iss its goal is and i know you don’t have time and and you know why it doesn’t work so well, it doesn’t work that way don’t approach donors that way. I’m sorry to have to ask you, it probably doesn’t merit your time, but could you talk to me? You know, we don’t know what you’re in my spot at three o’clock in the morning. Please be grateful for that, but we don’t talk to funders that way. Way should be confident that we’ve got the equity as you described it. Okay? Tv underwriting. Kevin, can you can you say something about the actually metoo probably speak better than that. I can that’s that’s her background, not mine. Okay, i think you’re referencing probably the third point, which is sort of a a joint relationship between the non-profit and if you don’t have somebody on the board and organization that can help underwrite from the non-profit stand than what you can do is that if somebody came into my office is a general sales manager and said, hey, listen, ah, i don’t have five thousand dollars, i don’t have this, however, what i want to do is i have this kind of equity, teo give you and let’s use that together and go and find that sponsor and or donor together, so it is going to be the non-profit it’s going to be the tv station and then they go out, the tv station now has the ability to engage their anchors and the non-profit and you better believe that those tv and a radio stations want to look like a hero and want to have their involvement in that. So you you’ve provided that, and then the tv station also has a brand new advertisers, right? So if you go out and work together to teo, come up with us, it is no money out the non-profits dahna i mean, you know, budget whatsoever it’s out of the sponsors, and now you’ve created a throwing three pronged relationship that typically will go for years and sort of a side note for what we did at the tv station. They almost got a four to one return on investment. You hand me five thousand dollars, i’m going to give you back close to twenty just tell us what. Tv station you’re referring to, like it’s in the charleston, south carolina market. Let’s. Just put it that way. You’re listening to the talking alternative network. Are you stuck in your business or career trying to take your business to the next level, and it keeps hitting a wall? This is sam liebowitz, the conscious consultant. I will help you get to the root cause of your abundance issues and help move you forward in your life. Call me now and let’s. Create the future you dream of. 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Well, all i will say is that every single day we all sort of do the same. We’re trying to come up with revenue, we’re trying to meet our budgets, whether you’re non-profit or for-profit and if somebody walked in my door and said, hey, you know what i want to do? I want to help you make money and and and work with you in order to get new advertisers and sponsors, i’m gonna listen to you, and then because i control the inventory, i’m also going toe, then play with you in terms of getting you additional avails additional spots and things and some news coverage. Okay, so what now? I fear my notes from the top where are insufficient? I blended two things together, so there’s one more point, kevin wasn’t there there three things that that amy outlining the beginning and only two that we’ve talked about there through the amy outlined on the getting these basically ads for free, but part of it’s also what? We gonna do with it right? Being very strategic with how you use it was the other part of our session, which is what i’m going to do with his time. Um, in the cultural world, we’re suggesting that people should use this time that we get through any strategies to really promote ticket sales over other items and primarily pro those online. Why do you? Why do you select ticket sales over anything else that a charity might might convey? Cerini on television, we believe are really the ultimate one. Too many channel. When you’re on the internet, you can develop a relationship, you know, people sort of know who you are. You’re signing into things direct mail if you’re already in a not-for-profits database, they know who you are. But when where? On tv or radio it’s essentially an acquisition strategy or branding strategy. So these organizations, these local culture organizations, they may use these buys for branding it’s not going to do that? They’re an acquisition mode, and we want directing to buy tickets for our org’s the ticket really, is that entry into the organization we wouldn’t expect someone to hear and ad and go make a donation to a museum necessarily dahna relationship. They haven’t experienced that museum, but buying that first ticket getting through the door is what starts that process with the sorts of organizations so driving that ticket leverages the free items in acquisition, which generally has sort of with most trouble getting people for the door. Okay, maybe this is also the lowest cost entry point for for acquiring new that’s, right new donors noo noo, your supporters absolutely absolute that that single ticket might not be the ultimate lowest cost. Often, organizations have memberships that, over time would represent a better value, but in the moment it tends to be the lower cost, and some of these places are free and they’re just trying to encourage attendant so it could be a free entrance. We just need to know you’re out there. I know you want to come. Maybe you’re doing a lot of nodding. Did you want to act? No, i’m i’m for once agreeing everything what kevin is saying, okay. Dahna furtive, you work lee, charlotte area. Kevin says everything right, except the things i don’t want. We have a few more minutes left. What have i not ask you about regarding your topic that you want to share with arts and culture organization? So i don’t know there’s something even asked about. But we we just wanna let people know that there are ways to get your message out there on dh. We want our organizations to really think about what they want their customers to dio we get focused on fund-raising gonna focus on membership. We often forget that we need to recharge our donor base. Our member based with new people. We could do that for free and take advantage of it’s fantastic technology that everybody’s engaged in. We want people not to be afraid to go do it when they go to do it. Do it the right way. Use amy strategies. And it sounds like that’s sort of what motivates you around all this work? Absolutely. I explicitly asked, you know what? What do you love about the work that you’re doing? So i get to work with museums, culture organizations, people have fantastic art or, you know, help children learn every single day and my job is to bring software into these organizations so that they can use it to increase all that. So bringing in that first ticket by that first time ticket buyer is the end result of everything that i do, all of that on dh leveraging technology is, well, it’s fantastic to help the children’s touch museum that’s, right? Maybe. How about you share what you love about this work? Well, believe it or not, everything that kevin said, but what i want a message is, is there is an opportunity there, and i think automatically the non-profits think i don’t have the budget i can’t afford to be, i can’t afford a radio. Now, if you’re in the top five ten market, that may be the case. This is probably a mid market toe lower market strategy. However, there is opportunity there, and i have seen it. I’ve worked for twelve plus years with non-profits when i was at the tv station to help them do this, and i think i would just say, be bold, pick up the phone, get a relationship, explain your mission and work together, and you will absolutely reaped the rewards on this and it’s there to happen session that become is make your online ticket sales soar with television and radio for free? I think they’ve shared some outstanding ways of doing that really very simple, common sense, but things that people are not doing, certainly not doing and because they’re not aware. Amy spencer on dh kevin russell, thank you very much for being guest. Thank you, it’s. Been a real pleasure. Thanks. This is tony martignetti non-profit radio coverage of bb khan. Twenty twelve. Thanks very much for being with me and my thanks also to the people at blackbaud who helped me be there and do podcasting at their bb con conference. More live listener. Love it’s. Unbelievable. Mexico, sorocaba, brazil, beijing, china. Riverhead, new york. Right at the fork where the with the north and south fork split. Riverhead, new york. Hyattsville, maryland. La jolla, california. Live listener love tto all those cities. I want to spend a couple of minutes talking about the ira charitable roll over. This was just revived in the american taxpayer relief act of twenty twelve, which was passed by congress on january first of twenty thirteen. I love how they can play magic with the dates i actually read the act and on the title page it says legislative day, december thirty first, two thousand twelve so they just make up, you know, they were there on january first, but it was really december thirty first. I love how they could just do that. I wish i could time shift like that. This charitable rollover is really not a rollover. This is the last time i’m going to call it a roll over, right then that was the last time it’s actually a qualified charitable distribution that other word is a misnomer. So i’m not using that anymore and we shouldn’t be using it. But it’s popular it’s the vernacular and what it takes for your donors to do it is you have to be at least seventy and a half years old on the day they make their gift. The ira has to be a traditional aura roth. They have a one hundred thousand dollars per year maximum per person, not per ira that they might own, but per person and the distribution this qualified charitable distribution has to go directly from their ira to your charity. And i’m going to say a lot more about this on my block next week, which means that they’ll be more about it on tony’s take to next week and included in the block post next week eyes going to be a one pager that you can adapt for your own marketing and promotion of this of the qualified charitable distribution say, i’m avoiding saying that word, and so you’ll be able to download that and use that as well. So more about that next week. But just teo remind you, let you know that that ah specific distribution was was revived this week. All right, the rollover was revived next week. I’ll have another bb con interview leveraging your social media data to find advocates, team leaders and hidden vips with casey golden he’s, the ceo of small act, and mark davis, who worked a blackbaud also coming back with me will be our social media scientist, amy sample ward. I’m asking you again, please, pretty please, could you rate and review the showing itunes? 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